The A-league Expansion Thread


The A-league Expansion Thread

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National Premier League Capital Football coaches support Canberra A-League team

National Premier League Capital Football coaches have thrown their support behind Canberra securing an A-League expansion licence, but not all believe it's sustainable.

Football Federation Australia are set to reveal A-League expansion plans for the 2019-20 and the opinions differed on Canberra's chances of securing a team at the NPL season launch on Thursday.

Six new coaches were unveiled and while the majority believe the capital deserve an A-League presence, some say the game isn't there yet.

Canberra FC are hoping Paul Macor can return the traditionally strong club to the top after appointing the former women's coach as their new manager.

Macor and Monaro Panther new coach Zoran Glavinic agreed brining an A-League franchise to the ACT was long overdue.

"We should already have been there from day one, how do you not have an A-League team in the capital of Australia," Macor said.

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"It would progress the young boys and give them an opportunity to actually strive for something, we don't have a state league team and if we don't have that we have to have an A-League team.

"You have to have something to aspire to in any sport, if we had an A-League team at least the juniors here would have a pathway and something to strive for, like we have in the womens."

Glavinic added: "There's a lot of potential and a lot of really good footballers here and good coaches and hopefully fingers crossed we can get there one day."

But Tuggeranong United's new coach Mitch Stevens questioned if a professional team would be sustainable given Canberra's population.

"My heart says I'd love for Canberra to have a side but my head says I don't think so," Stevens said.

"Do we really have the infrascture that is ready for an A-League team? I see too many other A-League clubs in bigger cities struggling. We have to be patient."

National Premier League Capital Football coaches support Canberra A-League team


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If a population of 400k with the highest dispensable income average in Australia can't support a professional club, the problem is the business model, not the market.
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Something that I often read is about how expanding too quickly will dilute the player quality which will in turn damage the overall quality of the league. 

Excluding the Phoenix, there are currently 45 foreign spots open and 162 dedicated Australian professional spots across the 9 clubs.

If we accept that the player base of Australians is already thin at the edges in each squad, and that it is difficult to hold back/bring back Australians playing overseas, surely the short term answer is to increase the number of foreign spots. If we quickly expanded to include 4 new clubs over the next few years, whilst increasing the number of foreigners to 6 for each team, we would end up with 78 foreigners and 221 Australians. 

So 60 extra Australian players would need to be sourced, which in itself would surely mean a lot of very average players are getting gigs in the a-league. BUT, theoretically you're only looking at needing 5 + a few quality australians per team with the foreign contigent included to make up starting XIs and benches. I would argue that the quality of the league won't be so greatly affected like this, especially when you consider that foreign recruitment has improved greatly across the board and that new teams will have space in salary caps to bring home Australian talent that don't fit under the cap of the existing clubs. 

For me though, I agree with a lot of people that a second division, and to a higher degree promotion/relegation, will have a natural positive effect on playing quality. A 2nd div would bring together the best of the rest, and I'm pretty convinced that in any sport playing with/against higher quality opposition will usually improve individual quality. While prom/relegation will create an urgency and pressure environment that will put individual performances under more criticism.

Also, with promotion/relegation, you can almost afford to trade off a hypothetical drop in quality, because games which mean something will automatically be more interesting than games of higher quality which are meaningless. Take for example world cup games between relative minnows vs a dead rubber champions league tie.
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The whole point is to give more players an opportunity. If they were that concern they could increase the visa player number to 6 for a few seasons as an alternative. Would need to get it past PFA :)
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162 contracts for Australian players isn't really that many
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Expansion is definitely NOT happening. 


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TheSelectFew - 8 Apr 2018 4:53 PM
Expansion is definitely NOT happening. 

Snottydramas has spoken.
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Gyfox - 8 Apr 2018 5:15 PM
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Snottydramas has spoken.

Voice of Reason*

What makes you think they will now expand. Do you believe in the Easter Bunny.


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TheSelectFew - 8 Apr 2018 4:53 PM
Expansion is definitely NOT happening. 

Unfortunately it most likely will

Current FFA staff need to pretend they are doing something

They'll keep taking their pay cheques for as long as possible til it all falls in a heap

Closed HAL is failing with 10 teams
Closed HAL failed with 11
FFA forced to try a 12 team Closed HAL thatll just create 2 more mid table also-rans
and still this weird 16-team panacea gets trotted out. 
Theres a sticky for this nonsense
https://forum.insidesport.com.au/1617388/The-Aleague-Expansion-Thread

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Buggalugs 2.0 - 9 Apr 2018 12:27 PM
TheSelectFew - 8 Apr 2018 4:53 PM

Unfortunately it most likely will

Current FFA staff need to pretend they are doing something

They'll keep taking their pay cheques for as long as possible til it all falls in a heap

I think it will too but not under the current model.  My only hope is that the model chosen doesn't give the clubs management of the league but that it is managed by an independent body.  Whatever happens it will remain subordinate to the FFA as is required of every body and league that is affiliated with the FFA.
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Buggalugs 2.0 - 9 Apr 2018 12:27 PM
TheSelectFew - 8 Apr 2018 4:53 PM

Unfortunately it most likely will

Current FFA staff need to pretend they are doing something

They'll keep taking their pay cheques for as long as possible til it all falls in a heap

And the worst thing is they will choose two very bad options.

Brisbane City and Southern Expansion.


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Gyfox - 9 Apr 2018 1:00 PM
Buggalugs 2.0 - 9 Apr 2018 12:27 PM

I think it will too but not under the current model.  My only hope is that the model chosen doesn't give the clubs management of the league but that it is managed by an independent body.  Whatever happens it will remain subordinate to the FFA as is required of every body and league that is affiliated with the FFA.

Well they're already talking about expansion and haven't mentioned any progress on a new operating model. Not a good start
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aufc_ole - 9 Apr 2018 1:35 PM
Gyfox - 9 Apr 2018 1:00 PM

Well they're already talking about expansion and haven't mentioned any progress on a new operating model. Not a good start

Expansion will happen when they've said, unless this FIFA thing actually has some real bite

But by the time the dumb shits who've been hypnotised by the expansion propoganda finally realise it's all puff, the current FFA staff will be long gone

Closed HAL is failing with 10 teams
Closed HAL failed with 11
FFA forced to try a 12 team Closed HAL thatll just create 2 more mid table also-rans
and still this weird 16-team panacea gets trotted out. 
Theres a sticky for this nonsense
https://forum.insidesport.com.au/1617388/The-Aleague-Expansion-Thread

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Buggalugs 2.0 - 9 Apr 2018 1:56 PM
aufc_ole - 9 Apr 2018 1:35 PM

Expansion will happen when they've said, unless this FIFA thing actually has some real bite

But by the time the dumb shits who've been hypnotised by the expansion propoganda finally realise it's all puff, the current FFA staff will be long gone

Be careful now.

Gyfox will call you names, you negative Nancy. Dont you know by now the FFA are in this for the good of the game and hath no agenda. 

For shame. 


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TheSelectFew - 9 Apr 2018 2:06 PM
Buggalugs 2.0 - 9 Apr 2018 1:56 PM

Be careful now.

Gyfox will call you names, you negative Nancy. Dont you know by now the FFA are in this for the good of the game and hath no agenda. 

For shame. 

RUOK ?

That Snottydramas, pretty nasty stuff

Closed HAL is failing with 10 teams
Closed HAL failed with 11
FFA forced to try a 12 team Closed HAL thatll just create 2 more mid table also-rans
and still this weird 16-team panacea gets trotted out. 
Theres a sticky for this nonsense
https://forum.insidesport.com.au/1617388/The-Aleague-Expansion-Thread

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Buggalugs 2.0 - 9 Apr 2018 3:37 PM
TheSelectFew - 9 Apr 2018 2:06 PM

RUOK ?

Tat Snottydramas, pretty nasty stuff

Hurts my feels. Play me Taylor Swift as I cry.


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TheSelectFew - 9 Apr 2018 4:27 PM
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Hurts my feels. Play me Taylor Swift as I cry.




Closed HAL is failing with 10 teams
Closed HAL failed with 11
FFA forced to try a 12 team Closed HAL thatll just create 2 more mid table also-rans
and still this weird 16-team panacea gets trotted out. 
Theres a sticky for this nonsense
https://forum.insidesport.com.au/1617388/The-Aleague-Expansion-Thread

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So I was listening to Greg O'Rourke on FNR. Expansion process is set up in two phases:

First phase is expressions of interest. They will accept expressions of interest from all areas and want as many potential bids as possible. In 60 days they will announce publicly the bids to go into the final phase for selection. (They want to create as much hype as possible).

Final phase bids will be the in-depth proposals: 2 new clubs will be selected and announced in October. (I think we all expect these winning bids will be from Brisbane, Melbourne or Sydney). 

FFA and A-league clubs want sixteen teams (straight from Greg's mouth). So the first phase sounds like they want to gauge all the interest and set up the best non winning bids for future expansion to sixteen teams (speculation).



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Buggalugs 2.0 - 9 Apr 2018 4:35 PM
TheSelectFew - 9 Apr 2018 4:27 PM



Well meme'd


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Bocca - 13 Apr 2018 12:22 PM
So I was listening to Greg O'Rourke on FNR. Expansion process is set up in two phases:

First phase is expressions of interest. They will accept expressions of interest from all areas and want as many potential bids as possible. In 60 days they will announce publicly the bids to go into the final phase for selection. (They want to create as much hype as possible).

Final phase bids will be the in-depth proposals: 2 new clubs will be selected and announced in October. (I think we all expect these winning bids will be from Brisbane, Melbourne or Sydney). 

FFA and A-league clubs want sixteen teams (straight from Greg's mouth). So the first phase sounds like they want to gauge all the interest and set up the best non winning bids for future expansion to sixteen teams (speculation).



He described the clubs that get past the EOI stage as "being in the finals".

Bloke just loves his finals.
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bohemia - 13 Apr 2018 12:58 PM
Bocca - 13 Apr 2018 12:22 PM

He described the clubs that get past the EOI stage as "being in the finals".

Bloke just loves his finals.

Loves his farken footy


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bohemia - 13 Apr 2018 12:58 PM
Bocca - 13 Apr 2018 12:22 PM

He described the clubs that get past the EOI stage as "being in the finals".

Bloke just loves his finals.

Surprised he didnt call it "the chase"
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They need a reality TV show with one bid being voted out each week. /s
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The fact that that needed a sarcasm tag is terrifying.
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paladisious - 13 Apr 2018 8:26 PM
The fact that that needed a sarcasm tag is terrifying.

I reckon.


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paladisious - 13 Apr 2018 8:26 PM
The fact that that needed a sarcasm tag is terrifying.

I've learnt something today


Closed HAL is failing with 10 teams
Closed HAL failed with 11
FFA forced to try a 12 team Closed HAL thatll just create 2 more mid table also-rans
and still this weird 16-team panacea gets trotted out. 
Theres a sticky for this nonsense
https://forum.insidesport.com.au/1617388/The-Aleague-Expansion-Thread

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Good job Pala, you've just created a beast which the FFA may latch on to...
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FFA know they have to placate FIFA, also don't want the AAFC running the Championship - wouldn't be shocked if they used this 'pre-bid' phase to test out how many bidders would be interested in playing in the 'A2-League'...  Then announce 2-tier expansion and try to retain control of the whole thing.
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Benjamin - 14 Apr 2018 9:39 AM
FFA know they have to placate FIFA, also don't want the AAFC running the Championship - wouldn't be shocked if they used this 'pre-bid' phase to test out how many bidders would be interested in playing in the 'A2-League'...  Then announce 2-tier expansion and try to retain control of the whole thing.

It's an interesting point actually. So many factors could see FFA swinging each way regarding the second division. If FFA somehow retain control of the HAL then they'll want the Championship controlled by the AAFC to the extent that they pay for it themselves. But if suddenly AAFC get a media deal together, FFA will want the second division straight back under the FFA umbrella.

Of all the plausible scenarios I've thought of, the most delicious (albeit not most likely) is one where the HAL becomes independent and the FFA takes control of the Championship ala the English model. Imagine that one. New football left to its own devices and FFA forced into an alliance of sorts with old soccer clubs.
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