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I'm sure if the UK leave the EU but are chained to virtually all the conditions they had before to stay part of the single market everyone will see it as "job done".
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paladisious
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So UKIP might as well dissolve now, right?
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BETHFC
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Aikhme wrote:AzzaMarch wrote:And why has this thread been taken over by a discussion on Greece's military?
This is a discussion about Brexit. Don't look at me. Some people think it ios ok to be saying that Greece is weak and a shit country. Well that is not true. It's a great country. It's just that they are entrapped into a system which is not conducive to their type of economy and they are prevented from printing and conduct Quantitative Easing. Greece is not so "shit" and has a strong military establishment which is able to act as the last line if all hell breaks loose. They are the guardians of the Nation, and have no issue with conducting a Coup if the country implodes. No one gives a f*ck about Greece. Their meltdown is old news.
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mcjules
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Farage... 
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BETHFC
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mcjules wrote:Farage... :lol: "I could not have achieved anything more in politics" which = "run before they chase me with pitchforks".
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luckee
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I also think it was a strange time to leave. The exit will now happen but nobody can say how it will happen.There are million issues to be resolved and everyone has a different reason to vote leave, and a different law or institution they want to be abolished. It could easily become stiched up by the new pm so that nothing really changes . Then what was the point?
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Aikhme
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+xAikhme wrote:AzzaMarch wrote:And why has this thread been taken over by a discussion on Greece's military?
This is a discussion about Brexit. Don't look at me. Some people think it ios ok to be saying that Greece is weak and a shit country. Well that is not true. It's a great country. It's just that they are entrapped into a system which is not conducive to their type of economy and they are prevented from printing and conduct Quantitative Easing. Greece is not so "shit" and has a strong military establishment which is able to act as the last line if all hell breaks loose. They are the guardians of the Nation, and have no issue with conducting a Coup if the country implodes. No one gives a f*ck about Greece. Their meltdown is old news. You don't worry about Greece. just worry about the Australian Political meltdown of the last 7 years which saw 6 PMs similar to Djibouti!
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Aikhme
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+xSo UKIP might as well dissolve now, right? Why would they dissolve when they get so much support? One nation got 600,000 votes as well. They have legitimacy because they represent people's views and what the people really think but can't say because of all the SJW NAZI/Green/ Left wing brigade. Theresa May will also invoke Article 50 by March next Year. Isn't that fantastic news?
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bohemia, your thoughts? Any other czexperts out there? I really hope the Czech Republic doesn't leave the EU. From Emerging Europe on 19 February, 2018. Czech Business Concerned by Possible EU ReferendumCzech businesses are worried that a debate about a new referendum law could lead to a potential Czexit, which would be hugely detrimental to the country’s almost 200 billion US dollar economy. Even though the Czechs sell 84 per cent of their goods to the European Union, the country is the second most eurosceptic EU nation after Greece — according to Eubarometer, with 39 per cent of Czechs holding a negative view of the EU, compared to 33 per cent in the UK.
“The Czech Republic does not need the general referendum law which the governing ANO party is currently negotiating with the Freedom and Direct Democracy (SPD) and Communists (KSCM),” said Martin Kupka, deputy leader of the Civic Democrats (ODS) after his party’s talks with the Christian Democrats (KDU-CSL). “The bill prepared by the SPD would disintegrate democracy and not strengthen it,” he added.
The danger of a referendum appeared after Prime Minister Andrej Babiš started seeking support from a number of anti-establishment parties, who he needs to back his minority cabinet. Discussions regarding proposals to modify the constitution and introduce referendums have been held.
“Just the fact that a potential referendum is being publicly discussed by politicians is making businesses and investors nervous,” Radek Spicar, vice chairman of the Czech Confederation of Industry told Bloomberg. “We understand how much we owe our economic success to being a part of the single market.”
A study assessing the Czech Republic’s 10 years in the EU estimated that the number of unemployed would be 75,000 higher – in a country of 10.5 million people – without the single EU market.
“You can see what enormous problems the UK is facing with Brexit, and that’s a much stronger and more diversified economy,” Otto Danek, chief executive officer of Atas AS, an electric motor producer that exports three quarters of its production to neighbouring Germany, told Bloomberg. “Czexit would mean economic death for us.”
A recent study claimed that Britain’s wealth might be up to 8 per cent lower in 15 years than it would be without Brexit. The UK is less dependent on the EU market than the Czech Republic — 43 per cent of British goods and services are sold to single market countries. http://emerging-europe.com/in-brief/czech-business-concerned-possible-eu-referendum/
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Bump.
Theresa May's big vote on her 'deal' is in a few days. It will shape what sort of Brexit occurs.
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paulbagzFC
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What a cock up this whole thing has been lol -PB
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Burztur
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Yup. Shambles. Feel bad for May to an extent since all the Brexiters who instigated this have abandoned ship leaving her to carry the can.
People fail to realise the benefits the EU brings and it’s gonna damage the UK economy.
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Carlito
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+xYup. Shambles. Feel bad for May to an extent since all the Brexiters who instigated this have abandoned ship leaving her to carry the can. People fail to realise the benefits the EU brings and it’s gonna damage the UK economy. Funny how garage was pro brexit and yet still claimed the eu pension as a eu member politican
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paulbagzFC
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rexit deal proposed by Theresa May rejected by British Parliament, plunging UK into uncertaintyUpdated British MPs have defeated Prime Minister Theresa May's Brexit divorce deal by a crushing margin, triggering political upheaval that could lead to a disorderly exit from the European Union or even to a reversal of the 2016 decision to leave. Key points:- The crushing vote margin is the biggest defeat in British Parliament since the 1920s
- Opposition Leader Jeremy Corbyn has tabled a motion of no-confidence in the Government
- The EU says is stepping up preparations for a no-deal Brexit
MPs voted 432 to 202 to defeat the proposal, the worst parliamentary defeat for a government in recent British history. Mrs May had called for politicians to back her deal or risk "letting the British people down". But scores of her own Conservative MPs — both Brexiteers and supporters of EU membership — joined forces to vote down the deal. The massive defeat, the worst since the 1920s, will mean further turmoil for British politics only 10 weeks before the country is due to leave the EU on March 29. The result was widely expected but is still devastating for Mrs May, whose fragile leadership is now under siege as her two-year strategy of forging an amicable divorce with the EU collapses. Immediately after the vote, Opposition Leader Jeremy Corbyn tabled a motion of no confidence in the Government, calling the defeat "catastrophic". That motion will be debated tomorrow. But Mrs May reiterated her commitment to seeing through Britain's divorce from the EU, telling Parliament her Government would make a statement about the way forward by Monday. She urged both sides of Parliament to "listen to the British people, who want this issue settled, and to work with the Government to do just that". The small Northern Irish DUP party, which props up Mrs May's minority Government and had said it would oppose the deal, said it would still back Mrs May in the no-confidence vote. EU leaders said the Brexit deal remained the best and only way to ensure an orderly withdrawal from the EU. However, the bloc's chief executive said the EU would intensify its preparations for a scenario in which Britain leaves the bloc without a withdrawal agreement. "The risk of a disorderly withdrawal of the United Kingdom has increased with this evening's vote," European Commission president Jean-Claude Juncker said in a statement. "While we do not want this to happen, the European Commission will continue its contingency work to help ensure the EU is fully prepared," he said. More to come.
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Burztur
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Depending on the no confidence vote but May should just resign. She did her best to pull together something sensible and no one likes it. I reckon Labour will win the next one and they will opt to stay in the EU but most of the damage has been done since a lot of the banks have relocated their Euro operations to the continent...
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paulbagzFC
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+xDepending on the no confidence vote but May should just resign. She did her best to pull together something sensible and no one likes it. I reckon Labour will win the next one and they will opt to stay in the EU but most of the damage has been done since a lot of the banks have relocated their Euro operations to the continent... They can't have her resign (or for her own party to boot her out). As commentators have been saying, her greatest weakness is currently her greatest strength. -PB
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Carlito
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My English co worker voted for brexit and he even admits the way it's been handled has made a mockery of the uk.
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Burztur
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+x+xDepending on the no confidence vote but May should just resign. She did her best to pull together something sensible and no one likes it. I reckon Labour will win the next one and they will opt to stay in the EU but most of the damage has been done since a lot of the banks have relocated their Euro operations to the continent... They can't have her resign (or for her own party to boot her out). As commentators have been saying, her greatest weakness is currently her greatest strength. -PB Her party can't boot her out, so she would have to resign. But she survived the no confidence motion by 19 votes. I just can't see a way out of it for her. The EU aren't going to negotiate and give the UK more concessions so it might be a 'hard exit' which is what the hardliners want.
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Burztur
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+xMy English co worker voted for brexit and he even admits the way it's been handled has made a mockery of the uk. I don't think people genuinely knew what they were voting for. A few headlines sound great - stop sending money overseas, control our own borders, keep jobs local etc, but how to achieve Brexit and the impact was never seriously discussed/considered.
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+x+xMy English co worker voted for brexit and he even admits the way it's been handled has made a mockery of the uk. I don't think people genuinely knew what they were voting for. A few headlines sound great - stop sending money overseas, control our own borders, keep jobs local etc, but how to achieve Brexit and the impact was never seriously discussed/considered. 100%.
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paulbagzFC
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+x+xMy English co worker voted for brexit and he even admits the way it's been handled has made a mockery of the uk. I don't think people genuinely knew what they were voting for. A few headlines sound great - stop sending money overseas, control our own borders, keep jobs local etc, but how to achieve Brexit and the impact was never seriously discussed/considered. But it's tricky, can't have a second referendum due to the absolute shit fight it'd cause in terms of not following democratic process etc (which is what's happening right now anyway). -PB
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paulbagzFC
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+x+x+xDepending on the no confidence vote but May should just resign. She did her best to pull together something sensible and no one likes it. I reckon Labour will win the next one and they will opt to stay in the EU but most of the damage has been done since a lot of the banks have relocated their Euro operations to the continent... They can't have her resign (or for her own party to boot her out). As commentators have been saying, her greatest weakness is currently her greatest strength. -PB Her party can't boot her out, so she would have to resign. But she survived the no confidence motion by 19 votes. I just can't see a way out of it for her. The EU aren't going to negotiate and give the UK more concessions so it might be a 'hard exit' which is what the hardliners want. They might, EU will start getting worried about the signs of recession on the horizon, unemployment rising, Germany far right starting murmurs about leaving EU, Netherlands had already talked about it in the past etc. They would still have some things that they can negotiate on, no way every option has been exhausted, especially now with a historic defeat in the UK Parliament. Either way May will now have to get other cross parties to come to the table with ideas on how to tweak the current deal, as there is no Plan B, nor the time for a Plan B (although they could just pull their intention to leave, nothing stopping them there). -PB
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Imo this absolute arrogance from london started the whole disgraceful events. The UK should have transitioned completely and used the Euro. Not doing that and displaying their superiority complex with the use of the pound gave Britons an excuse.
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Burztur
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+xEither way May will now have to get other cross parties to come to the table with ideas on how to tweak the current deal, as there is no Plan B, nor the time for a Plan B (although they could just pull their intention to leave, nothing stopping them there).
Yup. But right now, they are still debating how May can do this with all the grand standing in between. I think the hard Brexiters are just holding the line hoping it will be too late for May.
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Burztur
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+xImo this absolute arrogance from london started the whole disgraceful events. The UK should have transitioned completely and used the Euro. Not doing that and displaying their superiority complex with the use of the pound gave Britons an excuse. I think Dave Cameron completely misread the sentiment of the public with Brexit. It would have been more practical to use the Euro but that was one aspect of the British economy which they wanted to retain (and with the Spanish and Greek economy falling apart, it does make sense to keep certain aspects of the EU separate).
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+x+xImo this absolute arrogance from london started the whole disgraceful events. The UK should have transitioned completely and used the Euro. Not doing that and displaying their superiority complex with the use of the pound gave Britons an excuse. I think Dave Cameron completely misread the sentiment of the public with Brexit. It would have been more practical to use the Euro but that was one aspect of the British economy which they wanted to retain (and with the Spanish and Greek economy falling apart, it does make sense to keep certain aspects of the EU separate). Tbf the one thing that shits me about the debate is that we have all been focusing on what the UK have done wrong and they're idiots blah blah blah but no one has discussed why the UK wanted out in the first place. The EU has been a dogs breakfast and been it's own worst enemy. Weak borders where other countries had to carry the burden of another countries stupid policy (Merkel 'if you can get here you're one of us' policy), economic collapse of Spain, Italy and Greece effecting stronger economies and making them financial slaves and weak import tax policy. Of course there are fabulous aspects of the EU but the negatives are in your face, and although nothing that can't be overcome, it effects the everyday person. The EU is a fantastic idea but until Brussels stops fucking about the whole project could be rendered to an idea .
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+x+xImo this absolute arrogance from london started the whole disgraceful events. The UK should have transitioned completely and used the Euro. Not doing that and displaying their superiority complex with the use of the pound gave Britons an excuse. I think Dave Cameron completely misread the sentiment of the public with Brexit. It would have been more practical to use the Euro but that was one aspect of the British economy which they wanted to retain (and with the Spanish and Greek economy falling apart, it does make sense to keep certain aspects of the EU separate). David Cameron called the referendum expecting to be defeated very easily, about as bad a judgement call as possible. People did not think it would get up so a lot voted for it as a protest and inadvertently got something they did not really want despite voting for it.
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Burztur
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+x+x+xImo this absolute arrogance from london started the whole disgraceful events. The UK should have transitioned completely and used the Euro. Not doing that and displaying their superiority complex with the use of the pound gave Britons an excuse. I think Dave Cameron completely misread the sentiment of the public with Brexit. It would have been more practical to use the Euro but that was one aspect of the British economy which they wanted to retain (and with the Spanish and Greek economy falling apart, it does make sense to keep certain aspects of the EU separate). David Cameron called the referendum expecting to be defeated very easily, about as bad a judgement call as possible. People did not think it would get up so a lot voted for it as a protest and inadvertently got something they did not really want despite voting for it. That's true. Democracy in action.
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Kamaryn
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+x+x+xImo this absolute arrogance from london started the whole disgraceful events. The UK should have transitioned completely and used the Euro. Not doing that and displaying their superiority complex with the use of the pound gave Britons an excuse. I think Dave Cameron completely misread the sentiment of the public with Brexit. It would have been more practical to use the Euro but that was one aspect of the British economy which they wanted to retain (and with the Spanish and Greek economy falling apart, it does make sense to keep certain aspects of the EU separate). Tbf the one thing that shits me about the debate is that we have all been focusing on what the UK have done wrong and they're idiots blah blah blah but no one has discussed why the UK wanted out in the first place. The EU has been a dogs breakfast and been it's own worst enemy. Weak borders where other countries had to carry the burden of another countries stupid policy (Merkel 'if you can get here you're one of us' policy), economic collapse of Spain, Italy and Greece effecting stronger economies and making them financial slaves and weak import tax policy. Of course there are fabulous aspects of the EU but the negatives are in your face, and although nothing that can't be overcome, it effects the everyday person. The EU is a fantastic idea but until Brussels stops fucking about the whole project could be rendered to an idea . Mmhmm. The other big issue has to be restoring your national sovereignty when it comes to the legal system. It's a weird idea that although the highest court in Great Britain might find one way, you can appeal to courts in the EU to overturn it. Effectively, it doesn't allow a country to truly govern itself. (Interestingly, this was one of the political issues being fought for in the English Reformation 500 years ago - not being able to appeal to Papal Courts over against what was decided in England).
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TheSelectFew
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+x+x+x+xImo this absolute arrogance from london started the whole disgraceful events. The UK should have transitioned completely and used the Euro. Not doing that and displaying their superiority complex with the use of the pound gave Britons an excuse. I think Dave Cameron completely misread the sentiment of the public with Brexit. It would have been more practical to use the Euro but that was one aspect of the British economy which they wanted to retain (and with the Spanish and Greek economy falling apart, it does make sense to keep certain aspects of the EU separate). Tbf the one thing that shits me about the debate is that we have all been focusing on what the UK have done wrong and they're idiots blah blah blah but no one has discussed why the UK wanted out in the first place. The EU has been a dogs breakfast and been it's own worst enemy. Weak borders where other countries had to carry the burden of another countries stupid policy (Merkel 'if you can get here you're one of us' policy), economic collapse of Spain, Italy and Greece effecting stronger economies and making them financial slaves and weak import tax policy. Of course there are fabulous aspects of the EU but the negatives are in your face, and although nothing that can't be overcome, it effects the everyday person. The EU is a fantastic idea but until Brussels stops fucking about the whole project could be rendered to an idea . Mmhmm. The other big issue has to be restoring your national sovereignty when it comes to the legal system. It's a weird idea that although the highest court in Great Britain might find one way, you can appeal to courts in the EU to overturn it. Effectively, it doesn't allow a country to truly govern itself. (Interestingly, this was one of the political issues being fought for in the English Reformation 500 years ago - not being able to appeal to Papal Courts over against what was decided in England). As soon as this passes Scotland will bail at of the UK to be part of the EU and the United Kingdom won't be so united anymore. The English are essentially 500 years behind.
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