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quickflick wrote:pv4 wrote:Anyone here brought up their kid on multiple languages? Very interested in this. We have Swiss (French speaking) friends who live in Aus. Their kids were born in Aus. They speak French in the house. The kids are fluent in French. The interesting thing is that, even though they speak French more around the house, the kids speak (and understand) English perfectly. They do better in English, at school, than the vast majority of their classmates who are brought up only speaking English. Of course, if you're a native English speaker living in Australia, you're at a bit of a disadvantage in bringing up your children in, say, Spanish. These people naturally speak French, rather than English, so it's easy for them to talk to their children in French. It would take a lot of effort to speak to your children normally in Spanish. But it's not impossible. In the Royal Family, traditionally they have all been native English-speakers but they've been brought up to become fluent in French and German. I'm not so sure this is the case now. But when the Queen was a girl and when the Duke of Edinburgh was a kid, they were learnt French and German to very high levels. My kids are raised bilingual, they both understand Arabic but my son only speaks it when he has too, or when he is laying with kids that don't speak English. My daughter is much better at it and shows off whenever she can. Both do well at school learning a third language. I have a niece who grew up speaking English, Arabic, French, German and Afrikaans. Whenever she was a round six she had a problem differentiating between the languages and would mix them up in sentences. As neither parent spoke Afrikaans, the mother no German and the father no French it caused some problems. They took her to a development specialist who said it was natural and she would grow out of it. Sure enough she did.
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I am enjoying learning German on my Babbel App.
the one thing I have started to notice by doing daily lessons first is now being able to read written German or get the gist of what is being said in written form.
Hoping there is a Finnish Ap out there to.
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Anyone kept this up? Interested to see who stuck it out after so much thread positivity.
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Just started learning Spanish. Taking it steadily, learning phrases atm from a book I got for Christmas. From there I'll move on to other sources as I'm keen to get to the point where I can read/ hear it and speak it back without missing too much. Advantages: * One of the most commonly spoken languages in the world * Apart from Spain, is a prominent language in the USA and the national language of Central and South America (bar Brazil) * Latina's.
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+xAnyone kept this up? Interested to see who stuck it out after so much thread positivity. I had kept it up my spanish with duolingo and another app and also did some free online courses and just tried to learn stuff where i could... with the aim of doing some real classes before i learnt bad habits... i didn't get to that stage but was able to string some sentences together, might not have been great but would've been good if i went back to Spain. However since moving and just being so busy/lazy i haven't done anything for 2 months and wouldn't know where to start! Will get back into it soon though! Just need motivation.
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Great having another language. We are so isolated on this island its so obvious once you travel if your lucky to. Born here but first language was Italian, learnt english at school obviously. The italian has helped countless times when away on business OS for starters, their is always a good chance someone with Italian origins or similar that you meet. Latin America especially having gone to Chile x 2 and more coming up again helps me communicating over there. Having a Portugese wife has also helped me get to understand their lingo. Were trying to get our kids into both. Having just comeback from a long euro hol in madeira/lisbon/madrid/barca/rome the italian helps so much and would be fluent within a month staying in Italy. I'm very jealous of those euro's who can speak 5languages or more. My father keeps telling me though need to learn Mandarin !
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+x+xAnyone kept this up? Interested to see who stuck it out after so much thread positivity. I had kept it up my spanish with duolingo and another app and also did some free online courses and just tried to learn stuff where i could... with the aim of doing some real classes before i learnt bad habits... i didn't get to that stage but was able to string some sentences together, might not have been great but would've been good if i went back to Spain. However since moving and just being so busy/lazy i haven't done anything for 2 months and wouldn't know where to start! Will get back into it soon though! Just need motivation. Duolingo is good for boosting vocabulary and giving you speaking practice but I've found it poor when you actually want to get an understanding of a language. It does nothing to actually help give you an understanding of things like conjugation patterns or adjective declination.
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+xGreat having another language. We are so isolated on this island its so obvious once you travel if your lucky to. Born here but first language was Italian, learnt english at school obviously. The italian has helped countless times when away on business OS for starters, their is always a good chance someone with Italian origins or similar that you meet. Latin America especially having gone to Chile x 2 and more coming up again helps me communicating over there. Having a Portugese wife has also helped me get to understand their lingo. Were trying to get our kids into both. Having just comeback from a long euro hol in madeira/lisbon/madrid/barca/rome the italian helps so much and would be fluent within a month staying in Italy. I'm very jealous of those euro's who can speak 5languages or more.My father keeps telling me though need to learn Mandarin ! So infuriating. My friend here in Vienna is one of those annoying people. Native French and English speaker from Paris. Along the way has managed to speak perfect Italian, pretty good Spanish and now is powering through German. The redeemable feature of these infuriating people is that they give me good practice for both my French and German.
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+xAnyone kept this up? Interested to see who stuck it out after so much thread positivity. Fuark me pal, make me feel guilty :lol: I have, have, have to get back into this. Thanks for the push!
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+x+xGreat having another language. We are so isolated on this island its so obvious once you travel if your lucky to. Born here but first language was Italian, learnt english at school obviously. The italian has helped countless times when away on business OS for starters, their is always a good chance someone with Italian origins or similar that you meet. Latin America especially having gone to Chile x 2 and more coming up again helps me communicating over there. Having a Portugese wife has also helped me get to understand their lingo. Were trying to get our kids into both. Having just comeback from a long euro hol in madeira/lisbon/madrid/barca/rome the italian helps so much and would be fluent within a month staying in Italy. I'm very jealous of those euro's who can speak 5languages or more.My father keeps telling me though need to learn Mandarin ! So infuriating. My friend here in Vienna is one of those annoying people. Native French and English speaker from Paris. Along the way has managed to speak perfect Italian, pretty good Spanish and now is powering through German. The redeemable feature of these infuriating people is that they give me good practice for both my French and German. Agree, I can't believe how many people speak so many languages ! German would be difficult I expect. At least Italian/Spanish/Latino have countless similarities or near enough so as you can get by but some as German for eg doesn't sound easy, well I don't mean anything is easy but you know what I mean. My wife was catching onto French by the day whereas I was getting it but still no where near her, funny how people can catch on some things so much quicker than others. So your hanging in Austria ? your blood or what ?
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+x+x+xGreat having another language. We are so isolated on this island its so obvious once you travel if your lucky to. Born here but first language was Italian, learnt english at school obviously. The italian has helped countless times when away on business OS for starters, their is always a good chance someone with Italian origins or similar that you meet. Latin America especially having gone to Chile x 2 and more coming up again helps me communicating over there. Having a Portugese wife has also helped me get to understand their lingo. Were trying to get our kids into both. Having just comeback from a long euro hol in madeira/lisbon/madrid/barca/rome the italian helps so much and would be fluent within a month staying in Italy. I'm very jealous of those euro's who can speak 5languages or more.My father keeps telling me though need to learn Mandarin ! So infuriating. My friend here in Vienna is one of those annoying people. Native French and English speaker from Paris. Along the way has managed to speak perfect Italian, pretty good Spanish and now is powering through German. The redeemable feature of these infuriating people is that they give me good practice for both my French and German. Agree, I can't believe how many people speak so many languages ! German would be difficult I expect. At least Italian/Spanish/Latino have countless similarities or near enough so as you can get by but some as German for eg doesn't sound easy, well I don't mean anything is easy but you know what I mean. My wife was catching onto French by the day whereas I was getting it but still no where near her, funny how people can catch on some things so much quicker than others. So your hanging in Austria ? your blood or what ? German is pretty good actually, the only thing that really takes time is getting your head around the case system which English and the Romance languages ditched a while ago (Apart from Latin itself). A lot of the words have very close equivalents in English, which got its foundation from German, and it's much easier to pronounce and hear clearly than something like French. Yeah been in living in Vienna since October. Been great for my German but even now the Deutschen think I have a Austrian accent which is funny but the different dialect can make things difficult.
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+x+x+xAnyone kept this up? Interested to see who stuck it out after so much thread positivity. I had kept it up my spanish with duolingo and another app and also did some free online courses and just tried to learn stuff where i could... with the aim of doing some real classes before i learnt bad habits... i didn't get to that stage but was able to string some sentences together, might not have been great but would've been good if i went back to Spain. However since moving and just being so busy/lazy i haven't done anything for 2 months and wouldn't know where to start! Will get back into it soon though! Just need motivation. Duolingo is good for boosting vocabulary and giving you speaking practice but I've found it poor when you actually want to get an understanding of a language. It does nothing to actually help give you an understanding of things like conjugation patterns or adjective declination. Oh yeah, absolutely... i think it would be a good add on to an actual language course, something that you can do 5, 10, 15 minutes a day. Since i didn't have the funds to do a proper course i found a few things online and basically tried to practice as if i was in primary school and try to build it up... but with being either too busy/sick its been pretty hard.
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Toot toot, all aboard the language train again!
So my Spanish stopped for reasons I still don't know..
But with confirmation I'm visiting Germany in April next year, I thought what better time than to reboot Duolingo and have a bit of a stab at German!
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Dutch is progressing well, as is my Auslan.
Thought i'd give Mandarin a crack, if at least to eavesdrop on a few conversations
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French is going well. Thinking of progressing it further and finally going for my B2 before trying my hand at C1 during long service.
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@ Level 9 for Spanish on Duolingo now. Yet if I watch the language news on SBS it still sounds as if they're speaking at 2x normal speed. I'm beginning to understand the basic adjoining words and plurals, but obviously it's different understanding it on Duolingo vs having to speak it to somebody in real-time or living in a country where everybody presumes you've spoken the language since early childhood...
There are only two intellectually honest debate tactics: (a) pointing out errors or omissions in your opponent’s facts, or (b) pointing out errors or omissions in your opponent’s logic. All other debate tactics are intellectually dishonest - John T. Reed
The Most Popular Presidential Candidate Of All Time (TM) cant go to a sports stadium in the country he presides over. Figure that one out...
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+x@ Level 9 for Spanish on Duolingo now. Yet if I watch the language news on SBS it still sounds as if they're speaking at 2x normal speed. I'm beginning to understand the basic adjoining words and plurals, but obviously it's different understanding it on Duolingo vs having to speak it to somebody in real-time or living in a country where everybody presumes you've spoken the language since early childhood... I've started learning Spanish about 3 weeks ago, now up to Level 5 - 15% fluency rating. Think I'm doing ok but I've had troubles with the Ñ and the rolling of the R's but I'm getting there. Although I like Duolingo I think I might have to pick up a book on some common phrases/words and i've also been told to try and find some children books. I work with a number of Spanish people and they've been really helpful. Have you spoken to anyone in real-time yet? Even having the most basic of a conversation is very tough.
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Will be in Montreal for a couple weeks, early March next year. Might try and get some basic French under my belt.
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Toot toot on a 2day hotstreak for German, Manner
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+x+x@ Level 9 for Spanish on Duolingo now. Yet if I watch the language news on SBS it still sounds as if they're speaking at 2x normal speed. I'm beginning to understand the basic adjoining words and plurals, but obviously it's different understanding it on Duolingo vs having to speak it to somebody in real-time or living in a country where everybody presumes you've spoken the language since early childhood... I've started learning Spanish about 3 weeks ago, now up to Level 5 - 15% fluency rating. Think I'm doing ok but I've had troubles with the Ñ and the rolling of the R's but I'm getting there. Although I like Duolingo I think I might have to pick up a book on some common phrases/words and i've also been told to try and find some children books. I work with a number of Spanish people and they've been really helpful. Have you spoken to anyone in real-time yet? Even having the most basic of a conversation is very tough. Funny enough, right around the WCQ this Honduran chick added me on Fb (legit, not one of those whore accounts). She spoke no English, but I was able to communicate with her back and forth on WhatsApp using Google translate if I had to. The litmus test will be when I chat to somebody F2F, of course...
There are only two intellectually honest debate tactics: (a) pointing out errors or omissions in your opponent’s facts, or (b) pointing out errors or omissions in your opponent’s logic. All other debate tactics are intellectually dishonest - John T. Reed
The Most Popular Presidential Candidate Of All Time (TM) cant go to a sports stadium in the country he presides over. Figure that one out...
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+x@ Level 9 for Spanish on Duolingo now. Yet if I watch the language news on SBS it still sounds as if they're speaking at 2x normal speed. I'm beginning to understand the basic adjoining words and plurals, but obviously it's different understanding it on Duolingo vs having to speak it to somebody in real-time or living in a country where everybody presumes you've spoken the language since early childhood... I grew up speaking Italian and (even if I'm out of practice) I still consider myself reasonably fluent in "conversational" Italian and even I can't understand news broadcasters half the time.
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+xWill be in Montreal for a couple weeks, early March next year. Might try and get some basic French under my belt. Babes, pay for my ticket and I'll be your translator for free xox la femme des cancans
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A question I have been thinking about, from my exposure to Spanish and German. If any of my understandings are wrong, please correct me. I'm entirely about learning here.
In German there is der, die, das for "the" and it is based on the masculinity and femininity of words. Spanish has the same with el & la.
And then in Spanish from what I understand, there are times you used a different word if you are talking to/from a man or woman. My example here is if I want to say "I am North American" in Spanish I say [sp] "Soy Norte Americano" but if I am a female I say "Soy Norte Americana".
How in this day and age with gender fluid traffic lights has gender-specific languages not been completely reviewed and updated? What if the "night" doesn't want to be considered feminine, so becomes El Noche as opposed to La Noche?
Are there people in this world fighting this fight? All the gender shit I see PC brigades attacking nowadays, I'm so surprised this isn't public enemy number 1.
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+xA question I have been thinking about, from my exposure to Spanish and German. If any of my understandings are wrong, please correct me. I'm entirely about learning here. In German there is der, die, das for "the" and it is based on the masculinity and femininity of words. Spanish has the same with el & la. And then in Spanish from what I understand, there are times you used a different word if you are talking to/from a man or woman. My example here is if I want to say "I am North American" in Spanish I say [sp] "Soy Norte Americano" but if I am a female I say "Soy Norte Americana". How in this day and age with gender fluid traffic lights has gender-specific languages not been completely reviewed and updated? What if the "night" doesn't want to be considered feminine, so becomes El Noche as opposed to La Noche? Are there people in this world fighting this fight? All the gender shit I see PC brigades attacking nowadays, I'm so surprised this isn't public enemy number 1. German genders aren't really based on the feminity and masculinity of the words but have essentially just been picked up at random over the centuries. That is why it is so hard to remember which genders belong to which words (Aside from the obvious der Mann, die Frau etc). The word for girl (Das Mädchen) is neutral. It does my head in and i have studied the language for years. On the whole gender equality thing, there is actually a movement to remove the endings of nouns that change depending on gender such as Student/studentin which is fair enough. You can't really change the gender markers though as the whole grammatical structure of German is based on them.
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My French has been somewhat slow going. I started off getting tutoring from my friends but when they got too busy to continue, i switched to self learning and an online course. I have a good ability of reading and writing using the Présent, Passé compose and impfarfait but my pronunciation and listening ability is atrocious because of the lack of conversational practice. It's making my rate of lowing far slower than at the same stage at German. I went to the local Institut Français (which the French Government runs) for an A2 to help out with this but it wasn't enough enough hours per week for it to be worth it.
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Booked a flight to Paris for the holidays and re-writing my notes madly until I go. Determined to give my French a right kick up the arse this time.
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+x+x@ Level 9 for Spanish on Duolingo now. Yet if I watch the language news on SBS it still sounds as if they're speaking at 2x normal speed. I'm beginning to understand the basic adjoining words and plurals, but obviously it's different understanding it on Duolingo vs having to speak it to somebody in real-time or living in a country where everybody presumes you've spoken the language since early childhood... I grew up speaking Italian and (even if I'm out of practice) I still consider myself reasonably fluent in "conversational" Italian and even I can't understand news broadcasters half the time. was it Tuscan Italian?
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+x+x+x@ Level 9 for Spanish on Duolingo now. Yet if I watch the language news on SBS it still sounds as if they're speaking at 2x normal speed. I'm beginning to understand the basic adjoining words and plurals, but obviously it's different understanding it on Duolingo vs having to speak it to somebody in real-time or living in a country where everybody presumes you've spoken the language since early childhood... I grew up speaking Italian and (even if I'm out of practice) I still consider myself reasonably fluent in "conversational" Italian and even I can't understand news broadcasters half the time. was it Tuscan Italian? My family spoke pretty standard Italian if that's what you mean (with the odd Roman or Sicilian expression thrown in). I just meant that newsreaders speak so fast that if I don't focus all my energy on keeping up with them I get lost. Plus I haven't spoken Italian out loud to anyone since my mid 20s when my grandparents passed away so my fluency has taken a bit of a battering even if it's mostly still all in there somewhere.
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How is everyone going?
I'm now at 38% fluency and level 10 on Duolingo with my Spanish now.
I feel like I've learnt a lot in the last few weeks just by practicing the vowels and the alphabet as well as watching a lot of youtube videos. My listening is so much better now, I can actually hear words even if I don't know what they mean.
I've been focusing on verbs lately, I feel like duolingo did a really poor job of that but I think I understand the conjugations a lot better now - I know nothing about past or future tenses though. :hehe:
Signed up to the premium membership for LingQ today, finding it really tough trying to read even the most basic stories as there is just so many words I don't know but I feel like this approach is really going to help me.
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