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Quoting JFK's nation defining speech in regards to football. Sorry Les, nah. As much as I want it to happen it's just not viable. Perhaps when the next TV rights deal comes in the FFA will be able to give out parachute payments to clubs that are relegated. As of now though, asking a relegated team to even survive with a massive wage bill with a probably 80% drop in crowds, in addition to not being able to sell players to clubs, it's just not happening.
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So every article on the same subject gets its own thread?

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Over my dead body
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P/R is viable and financially makes more sense

The only thing stopping P/R are the restrictions we impose on our code believing things have to run a certain way

We won't always have muppets in charge of our game. All it takes is one person high enough up to take a good look at our game and start asking the tough questions


The current model is flawed but its all we know. But there are only so many years of stagnation before it is challenged or we have another reform delivering the same thing under a different brand
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Its been tried before... it didn't work then... if you even tried you turn a national league into a vic/nsw league and when you get relegated your club will die... the game doesn't have the supporters and until you can convert participation into paying supporters it won't work. I've played with plenty of people who have absolutely no interest in the game other than turning up hungover on Sunday to have a kick around. It is quite astounding alot of them couldn't name any players other than backham cahill and maradona
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biscuitman1871 wrote:
So every article on the same subject gets its own thread?

Yes. Yes it does.
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scott21 wrote:
biscuitman1871 wrote:
So every article on the same subject gets its own thread?

Yes. Yes it does.



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scubaroo wrote:
Its been tried before... it didn't work then... if you even tried you turn a national league into a vic/nsw league and when you get relegated your club will die... the game doesn't have the supporters and until you can convert participation into paying supporters it won't work. I've played with plenty of people who have absolutely no interest in the game other than turning up hungover on Sunday to have a kick around. It is quite astounding alot of them couldn't name any players other than backham cahill and maradona

i second that !
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lukerobinho wrote:
Over my dead body

If you insist
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lukerobinho wrote:
Over my dead body


Do you guarantee it?

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1) allow clubs to apply to a closed 2nd div
2) set up 2nd div
3) run 2nd div for approx 3-5 years
4) introduce pro/rel

It would take about 7 years.
It would be better for the "a-league" to be 2 10 team leagues then 1 20 team league.
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scott21 wrote:
1) allow clubs to apply to a closed 2nd div
2) set up 2nd div
3) run 2nd div for approx 3-5 years
4) introduce pro/rel

It would take about 7 years.
It would be better for the "a-league" to be 2 10 team leagues then 1 20 team league.


You need to stop or you will go blind.

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biscuitman1871 wrote:
scott21 wrote:
1) allow clubs to apply to a closed 2nd div
2) set up 2nd div
3) run 2nd div for approx 3-5 years
4) introduce pro/rel

It would take about 7 years.
It would be better for the "a-league" to be 2 10 team leagues then 1 20 team league.


You need to stop or you will go blind.

You promised to stop contributing to these threads. Go take a Nana nap.
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bluebird wrote:
P/R is viable and financially makes more sense

The only thing stopping P/R are the restrictions we impose on our code believing things have to run a certain way

We won't always have muppets in charge of our game. All it takes is one person high enough up to take a good look at our game and start asking the tough questions


The current model is flawed but its all we know. But there are only so many years of stagnation before it is challenged or we have another reform delivering the same thing under a different brand


You need to believe in the model ! (P/R model)

It doesn't matter what shape it takes, just bloody get it started. It doesn't have to stand out. I don't imagine it would have to stand out for a few decades. But as long as it's initiated. It's brooding in the background, and players are coming up through it, through the states, what shape would it need to take ? why would it have to cost and break the league when it's already there in the states.

and this is the real problem here. The fucking franchise model. That's the real reason holding back minnow NPL teams joining the A-League. The model is stupidly hindering any progress.

The headlines would need to read - "FFA DROPS FRANCHISE LICENSE MODEL"
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RedKat wrote:
Can we ban all promo/relegation threads until the league is remotely close enough to being financially viable enough to actually consider it?


Keeps 'em off the streets.
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RedKat wrote:
Can we ban all promo/relegation threads until the league is remotely close enough to being financially viable enough to actually consider it?

tbf by the title you should know what this thread is about. So you dont really need to open it.

There is a difference though if the thread is about Eddie wanting a new stadium then the discussion escalates to the fact that MV might not need to play there if P/R came in and they got relegated etc.

Edited by scott21: 10/3/2016 10:00:54 PM
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scott21 wrote:
RedKat wrote:
Can we ban all promo/relegation threads until the league is remotely close enough to being financially viable enough to actually consider it?

tbf by the title you should know what this thread is about. So you dont really need to open it.

There is a difference though if the thread is about Eddie wanting a new stadium then the discussion escalates to the fact that MV might not need to play there if P/R came in and they got relegated etc.

Edited by scott21: 10/3/2016 10:00:54 PM


TBF this is a forum and he can give his opinion on it whatever your thoughts.
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Draupnir wrote:
scott21 wrote:
RedKat wrote:
Can we ban all promo/relegation threads until the league is remotely close enough to being financially viable enough to actually consider it?

tbf by the title you should know what this thread is about. So you dont really need to open it.

There is a difference though if the thread is about Eddie wanting a new stadium then the discussion escalates to the fact that MV might not need to play there if P/R came in and they got relegated etc.

Edited by scott21: 10/3/2016 10:00:54 PM


TBF this is a forum and he can give his opinion on it whatever your thoughts.

Can we ban all sfc threads until they are remotely close enough to winning something?
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I will say this... :) As long as they are coming from papers and approved webpages (and not just a roar ramble or a posters thoughts) threads about this will be posted by me and other members.
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Here's a rant that I just wrote and posted in the comments section of Les's article at TWG, but I'm sure won't be up on that site. How about we institute promotion/relegation for tv rights. A free to air tv network can pay to broadcast the A-league, but if they don't achieve certain targets (say beating a pay tv channel every round broadcasting the same match) then they forfeit the money they've paid for the rights and are relegated to broadcasting the NPL season the following year. A rival t.v network who may have achieved ratings targets maybe broadcasting a different football code (say Channel 7) can then be promoted to broadcast the A-League in their place. Works for me.
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MarkfromCroydon wrote:
Here's a rant that I just wrote and posted in the comments section of Les's article at TWG, but I'm sure won't be up on that site. How about we institute promotion/relegation for tv rights. A free to air tv network can pay to broadcast the A-league, but if they don't achieve certain targets (say beating a pay tv channel every round broadcasting the same match) then they forfeit the money they've paid for the rights and are relegated to broadcasting the NPL season the following year. A rival t.v network who may have achieved ratings targets maybe broadcasting a different football code (say Channel 7) can then be promoted to broadcast the A-League in their place. Works for me.


Just checked. It didn't get accepted. Double standards SBS hey. Happy to dictate how the game should be run but can't even manage to present the game properly when they have the rights to do so. I seriously have no more respect for SBS. Even yesterday morning I was fuming when I noticed they chose or (got relegated to) broadcasting the champions league Gent match instead of the the Real - Roma, which was a much better match up. Not to mention no champs league this morning for the Chelsea - PSG match. But let me guess, they didn't the money to buy the rights of the matches anymore, yet they reckon they would be able to support the a-league in the future. Yeah right.
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Set up an A-League 2 with a number of teams from the best of NPL and give them A-League associated member licences. Expand the A-league 1 to say, 14. The current teams are given A-League Pro licences and cannot be relegated, the 4 A-League expansion clubs with Assoc members can. Every X number of years licences reviewed. Some Assoc Member licences may be upgraded to Pro, and some may be down-graded to Associated member, if they are financially unviable. So as an example, Nth Qld Fury would have been downgraded to Assoc Member and only if finishing bottom would they have been relegated to AL2. This is not a true Pro/rel but at least guarantees survival of the current franchises as long as they are financial. Also gives AL2 teams a chance of playing a AL1. As the Pro licences increase then we will get true pro/rel. If they don't ....well we are no better than we are now. It's a compromise and would satisfy both the franchise only supporters and those advocating the joining of the A-League and the NPL into one pyramid system.
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RedKat wrote:
Can we ban all promo/relegation threads until the league is remotely close enough to being financially viable enough to actually consider it?


It already is

You might go shopping by spending $10 on every item. I allocate money based on necessity
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bluebird wrote:
RedKat wrote:
Can we ban all promo/relegation threads until the league is remotely close enough to being financially viable enough to actually consider it?


It already is

You might go shopping by spending $10 on every item. I allocate money based on necessity


Not until we have NPL clubs as unsustainable franchises will the league be ready. /sarcasm

When many local clubs still haveir gan base why are we not utilising that. Converting them to hal fans is useless, counterproductive and is a waste of money.


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bluebird wrote:
P/R is viable and financially makes more sense

The only thing stopping P/R are the restrictions we impose on our code believing things have to run a certain way

We won't always have muppets in charge of our game. All it takes is one person high enough up to take a good look at our game and start asking the tough questions


The current model is flawed but its all we know. But there are only so many years of stagnation before it is challenged or we have another reform delivering the same thing under a different brand


the 2 league with out P/R are A-league and MLS.....the MLS is already bigger then Dutch eredivisie and soon A-league will over take Dutch eredivisie

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