We keep hearing how good there are/will be.

But if we only have 10 professional teams there won't be enough places for players.

The chances of Sydney or Melbourne finishing last in an open competition in a 12 team league is about the same as the team folding through other causes

Are we really going to stop progress because of a small scale risk?

The irony is Sydney and Melbourne have spent more years at the bottom losing fans and support under the current model then they ever would have had to if the league had a proper structure to begin with

The other thing is a second division would most likely include a 3rd Sydney and Melbourne team. What are the chances all 3 are crap?


Sydney are currently 7th and haven't won in weeks. You don't see that happening in a P/R league but that's what we do to our biggest assets time and time again

The land size issue is just a crock. Australia's population is heavily urbanised and focused upon 5 major cities. How do you get from one to the other? By flying heavily used, highly profitable, efficient routes between them. How much time does it take? Flights between Melbourne and Sydney or Sydney and Brisbane take less time than many train/bus rides between cities in small European nations. And they don't have the option of domestic flights because they're so close it doesn't make sense. The ride to the airport would be longer than the flight - if it was available. Yeah, Australia is big. But we know how to move people between cities pretty damn well. It's not like we'll have the problem of getting Sale United to Karratha Galaxy's stadium.

there no player in Eredivisie league, that being paid more then €1m a year....

More like 'What hope for football if we get Pro/Rel?'

The answer is nada. Zip. Zero. None.
Let's talk when every club sells out every match.

the A-league not a development league

there nothing development about MVFC.... 30 years old Berisha, 37 year old Thompson, 33 year old Ben Khalfallah , 30 year old Guilherme, 31 year old Valeri, . 34 year old Delpierre, 30 year old Vuković, 28 year old Georgievski, 28 year old Broxham, 27 year old Bozanic, 26 year old Barbarouses

the A-league not a development league

English teams piss and moan when they have to fly to Russia or Ukraine to play football match....

Sydney- Melbourne not one hour...it more like 3hr to in and out of airport

What is it then?

How many leagues had every team selling out every match before introducing P/R?

You're just one of many who approach this puzzle in a different and illogical way

If you want to build a successful social media site like Facebook you don't start by trying to build a site with 1 billion users from day 1, charging advertisers high amounts of money from day 1, and selling shares from day 1

Its important to follow the start to end process

As they say, Rome wasn't built in a day

I said for the investment of football idiot. Read. Besides Rangers will be back up next season. It's all part of the wonderful world of p/r idiot.

As you can see, even Taco Svenssons knob has a sponsor

There's names aren't even on their jerseys :)

Magikkkkk

what investment in lower leagues in Scotland? give a link to all this great new investment

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/13869/10047368/bookmakers-william-hill-extend-sponsorship-of-scottish-cup

Idiot. Theres ablot more in it than just William Hill but i cbf anymore.

That just a sponsor of Scottish cup.....Sony PlayStation sponsor NPL

so, you don't know, and that was all you could find?

Edited by adrtho: 12/3/2016 11:14:31 AM

Thats a higher fee than here and according to you we have more population numbers and they got bigger pay day. William Hill also paid for League one through to premiership which i suspect would be a heavier fee. Plus Sky Sports paid for premiership and lower league highlights.

Idiot.

The SPFL was formed in 2013 by a merger of the Scottish Premier League (SPL) and Scottish Football League (SFL).[1] The league inherited media rights arrangements made by the SPL and SFL with Sky Sports and BT Sport.[1] The domestic rights deal was amended in 2014, following the relegation of Edinburgh clubs Hearts and Hibernian to the Scottish
Championship

i can't believe that media company want to amended the TV deal when bigger clubs get relegated , don't the media company understand all the great things that happen with P/R :roll:

do you know, how much money each year all the Scottish leagues get get combined (SPL, Scottish championship, Scottish league one, Scottish leage two, Scottish cup) or are you just chatting away like a galah?

The struggles of the spl and scottish football as a whole since rangers relegation has been well publicised

Edited by lukerobinho: 12/3/2016 12:45:19 PM

No. But P and R in Europe took 100 years to get to where it is today. Japan about 30 years, BUT

1. they have far bigger populations
2. They have a land mass that is tiny in comparison
3. They have money we can only dream of
4. They don't have the same intense competition from numerous other sports, limiting venue availability, money, and media air time.

There are clubs in Europe that would kill to have Mariners and Jets gates, and yet they're doing better financially overall simply because all of the above.

Enjoy the A-League- you've never had it better and probably won't in your life-time, until we get to 14 teams.

And that will be that.

Excuses, excuses, we have already had it in this country, we can have it again, if we never see it it's because the powers don't want it, not because we can't.

You had your chance with the Nsl

Landmass is an issue because WA, SA and QLD all have one team, a parochial mindset and a massive area. Relegation would mean that professional football in that state would effectively cease to exist.

Nice try but Australia already has PR. So does Malaysia and many other leagues with less resources than the A League

The A League can't implement P/R because it has chosen a financially weak model with ridiculous entry criteria. If they halved the entry criteria you would see a flurry of clubs lining up to join the A League

But they cant halve the criteria because they have chosen a balanced competition and doing so would weaken the top

The A League has 4 square wheels, now it is trying to build a car

Those against P/R is saying a car is impossible, where as those for it are saying we simply have to round off the wheels

Edited by bluebird: 12/3/2016 02:29:02 PM

In the top flight? What?

Noone is saying P/R is impossible mate, but it ain't feasible now.

It is feasible now. You just can't get it to work ala the square wheel example

I'll give a very loose example:
Take the 10 youth league teams and put 4 in the A League, and the last 6 in a second division
Rebrand and relocate the youth league teams so you don't end up with 2 Melbourne Victories
Find teams with $500k sponsorship to cover the cost of a stand alone club (or even give 50c to the $1 up to $1m for marquee players, and give the other half to the new clubs)

The result:
. 14 teams
. P/R
. No extra cost

And that's a loose example. I've come up with different models as have dozens of others. In every thread you see model after model after model proposed and every one realistic and viable

Sorry dude but you're missing something here. You have a hard wired belief how the A League must work and look like and you can't get P/R to work


The P/R problem is simply about a distribution of funds and resources. Every other league can get it to work, even here in Australia at an amateur level

It has nothing to do with population, other sports or land mass. These are just cop outs

P/R simply comes down to whether or not we want it

bullshit

when A-League sign a TV deal as big as eredivisie, you be still talking the same bullshit

How big is the Eredivisie deal?

about €65 a year (i not sure what they get international) 11 years
Scotland is now about £17m for all leagues, £1.5m for BBC Scotland ( TV highlights) and radio live, £2m a year international

and Eredivisie got a great deal, because the Eredivisie own the tv rights on there own TV channel , and Fox sports started in Holand and paid for 11 years

Austria is about €20 a year
Greece was about €40
Belgium €55
Norway Tippeligaen €34 (but they say that going to drop big time on 2017)


Edited by adrtho: 12/3/2016 03:07:39 PM

"we have already had it in this country" .... The NSL promotion/relegation was a bit ad hoc with Clubs being promoted based on “metrics”, not performance. I think Sth Melb Hellas avoided relegation one season because there was no Melbourne club willing to take their spot. The promoted team had to come from the same Member Federation. A quick look at the NSL tables suggest there was no relegation in 1978, 1979, 1982, 1983.... so while I'm actually all for P/R even though "we have already had it in this country" when we "had it" it wasn't simple or as straightforward as some might say; So there's no point rushing in as if it's "normal" because it isn't

Edited by Waz: 12/3/2016 03:39:17 PM