It's an interesting one i'll give you that. You are mixing up WW1 not happening and Germany winning it though which makes things hard to say.

WW1 was the catalyst for the decline of the empire age and led to radical political change in regions that were not ready for it. Imo though, even if Germany had won, the damage would have already been done. Nationalism had been on the rise for the last 100 years and the empires would have been hard pressed to hold onto far flung territories in a post-industrial age capacity. France would probably instead become a seedbed for fascism and the Ottomans were on the point of collapse before the war anyway.

But i don't think you can say one side or the other were the "bad guys" in WW1. Everyone involved is to blame for for hijacking what was a domestic issue into a tool to escalate the greater tension and posturing between the elite political sides of Europe. Britain for example, should have stayed the fuck out of the whole thing.

Fuck, I need to read about WW1. Never really covered it in school.

What, you're telling me they didn't go on and on and on about Gallipoli?

Pretty sure they covered Gallipoli, but I didn't really care about it. I wanna learn about the European side of the world wars.

The king of Yugo was assassinated yada yada anzac yada yada we won.

No my bad, some serbs killed some other guy

Edited by scott21: 8/4/2016 11:42:56 PM

Not enough Anzac in this post :lol:

DOn't forget the other buzzwords: Somme, Kaiser etc etc.

I bet you think Germany was the "good guy" of WWII.

Ripe rockmelon tastes good but just like kiwifruit there is a very fine line between ripe and bruised or over-ripe, then it tastes like the worst thing in the world.

Of course they were right to fight back against the oppressive conditions laid down by the Allies after WWI (Merkel only paid back the last of the reparations in 2010!) but I am pretty sure Hitler crossed the line of being literally Hitler well before September 1939, let alone when he Final Solution was resolved in 1942.

The tax generated already more than covers the cost associated with health issues

And within a decade it'd probably one of the most advanced nations on earth whilst Australia relapses into North korea territory with Shorten at the helm taxing and controlling everything under the sun

433 is incredibly intelligent despite being a conservative. The kid knows his shit.

It's called unpopular for a reason. I also think that it's cheaper and better for you to eat healthier.

Excellent discussion of the First World War.

You should all see the British dramatisation of the origins of the First World War. I think it's called 37 Days. Three part miniseries.

Excellent. Fairly even-handed although it may be slightly anti-German. I don't think Germany were the good guys. But I think France was every bit as much to blame. The Tsar and his military staff were thick as fuck.

Britain were fucking stupid for getting involved. They considered themselves obliged to side with France in war as a result of unwritten agreements with the French which most of the British Cabinet were unaware of. So that when the French decided to go to war, Britain became embroiled.

Effectively, Britain was underwriting the decisions of two of the most stupid countries in the world at the time; Russia and France.

Warmongers like Churchill thought this would be good fun but sadly common sense didn't prevail.

If I was in the British Cabinet back then I would have said the French can jog the fuck on. The French have got a lot to answer for in terms of last century's woes.

They fuck over the whole world and take no responsibility. Then after the fiasco of the First World War, they went a hell of a long way towards creating the Second World War by demanding such punitive and humiliating sanctions against Germany in the Treaty of Versailles.

Edited by quickflick: 9/4/2016 04:23:34 AM

I'm not sure that it was so rosy to live under German occupation in the First World War.

Honestly, I'm going to declare I haven't studied this in enough depth. I do think the Germans get hard-done-by here and that they were no more culpable than the French or the Russians for the origins of the war (and not much worse than the British).

However I've heard tell of German (namely Prussian) brutality towards civilians in occupied territory.

433

You are absolutely right that the Russian Imperial Family would not have been slaughtered. That would have been a good thing. I think a chance at organic political change in Russia would have been possible.

There would have been no rise of communism.

By the way, I think it's highly likely there would have been no Russian Revolution if the Tsarevitch did not have haemophilia.

Incidentally, does anybody know who would have become the British sovereign, post Queen Victoria, if the Order of Succession for the British monarchy was governed by male primogeniture? :lol:

This may well have utterly changed the face of history.

Edited by quickflick: 9/4/2016 04:37:06 AM

This was pretty much just a petty attempt at revenge, not just for the war but also for the huge 5 Billion francs bill that Germany charged France in reparations after the war in 1871.

I know and the fucktards ought to have known, from their own belligerent attitude towards the Germans in the decades preceding the First World War, that the Versailles reparations and sanctions would seriously imperil peace and stability in the future. The Germans were always going to be resentful over that as well as utterly impoverished. A recipe for disaster as a result of which Hitler had a pathway to power.

"the muslim's" :roll:

Few things to unpack here;

- as much as I admire Keynes, his ecotp has done much harm especially insofar as it has allowed this perverse idea of crippling reperations to ferment. I encourage everyone to read the current scholarship; at no point was Germany unable to pay, for the most part the Versailles treaty was a moderate one when considered in light of German plans for post war Europe (I encourage everyone to research the Brest Litovsk treaty and the Septemberprogram.
- it was German chauvinism and self deluding propaganda which manifestly drove the nationalist reaction in the interwar period and not, tangible realities of reperations.

"Battling depression" is a copout excuse used by celebrities and other clowns to shut down scrutiny and excuse their shit behaviour.

Not that I follow the AFL closely but the Garry Lyon thing is an exact case in point.

"That bloke is low scum"

"How dare you? He's depressed, get off his case"

Farking hell.

Like celebs who cheat on their wife and then claim they're 'sex addicts'.

Give me a friggin break.

Agree. Some celebs can and do have mental health issues, but I'm instantly skeptical whenever one claims to. It's a poor excuse too - depressed people can still do horrible things and be horrible people.

Jimmy Fallon is the worst tv show host in history.

Death metal and all the new fucking sub-genres of metal are audible cancer

Russell Brand is overrated af

Fuck Adele

If Paul Keating beat John Howard in 1996 this country would be far better

Mitch Langerak is a better goalkeeper than Matt Ryan

Zac Snyder is a visionary director

Chris Jericho is the unsung legend of the wrestling industry

Grace Slick had the best singing voice of all time

Fried rice is shit

1. Agree. Jimmy Fallon isn't funny in the slightest. His writers are decent, but he's shit.
2. I like Karnivool, but that's it.
3. Saddest times, I like Russell. He's different.
4. Agreed.
5. Ehh
6. Mitch is the better shot stopper, which is move important IMO.
7. Zac Snyder is the worst thing at ever happened to the human race.
8. Amen Brother.
9. Who?
10. Depends on the fried rice. Maybe you just hate it, because your house mate make its 24/7

Kid A is better than OK Computer.

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This has to be a troll.

The ALP is the only party in Australia's history that has used its time in government to reshape the country instead of treading water.

I thought this as well :lol: