The Melbourne Victory Supporters Thread 2.0


The Melbourne Victory Supporters Thread 2.0

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socceroo_06 - 13 Jul 2018 11:04 AM
walnuts - 13 Jul 2018 10:46 AM

Victory hired Paulo Cardoso as their academy director a couple of years ago. I believe he was a scout and former youth coach for Sporting CP and was responsible for ID'ing CR7. 

Not sure what influence he has had on the academy to date though.

Yeah he left a few weeks ago. Some guy from Wales I think was his replacement. It's on the cubs website and was reported at the time but didn't see anyone post it here 
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walnuts - 13 Jul 2018 11:29 AM
Stamap - 13 Jul 2018 11:16 AM

Can you clarify this comment for me please?

Not sure, but MV's Talent ID and recruitment for the academy is really fragmented and relies on feeder sports high schools and the like. I'd imagine player agents get in the ear of MV staff and make sure the players they rep. are placed front-and-centre before them, consequently collecting a tidy 'finders fee' for their role. 

This contrasts with Melb City who actually hold annual trials for all their potential recruits as well as getting out to NPL U18/19 & senior games to recruit youth players for their academies. 
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Your new Welsh Academy manager is the father of Drew Sherman ..... Roars Academy Director.
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socceroo_06 - 13 Jul 2018 11:48 AM
walnuts - 13 Jul 2018 11:29 AM

Not sure, but MV's Talent ID and recruitment for the academy is really fragmented and relies on feeder sports high schools and the like. I'd imagine player agents get in the ear of MV staff and make sure the players they rep. are placed front-and-centre before them, consequently collecting a tidy 'finders fee' for their role. 

This contrasts with Melb City who actually hold annual trials for all their potential recruits as well as getting out to NPL U18/19 & senior games to recruit youth players for their academies. 

This really saddens me :(
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socceroo_06 - 13 Jul 2018 11:48 AM
walnuts - 13 Jul 2018 11:29 AM

Not sure, but MV's Talent ID and recruitment for the academy is really fragmented and relies on feeder sports high schools and the like. I'd imagine player agents get in the ear of MV staff and make sure the players they rep. are placed front-and-centre before them, consequently collecting a tidy 'finders fee' for their role. 

This contrasts with Melb City who actually hold annual trials for all their potential recruits as well as getting out to NPL U18/19 & senior games to recruit youth players for their academies. 

Pretty much sums it up
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Waz - 13 Jul 2018 11:48 AM
Your new Welsh Academy manager is the father of Drew Sherman ..... Roars Academy Director.

So your Academy Manager is now literally a Victory product lol
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Seen the latest training photos? Embarrassing really. If they weren't wearing MV garb it would look like a couple mates playing kick to kick in the park.
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Not sure if stated earlier but Danny Holla said he backed out of 1 year deal with victory



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@ Sanchez

Well played, well played sir 👍
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Birkan Kirder the only Victory player named in the U16 training camp that started in Sydney today - in contrast City have six players included in the squad.
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MV value the toilet seat pretty highly, much more than youth development and winning the league during the regular season.
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scubaroo - 13 Jul 2018 1:49 PM
Not sure if stated earlier but Danny Holla said he backed out of 1 year deal with victory



Definitely seems that way (http://www.goal.com/en-au/news/danny-holla-pulls-out-of-deal-with-melbourne-victory/18o5fxc7skixo1x7lp8aqh562g).



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FFS.

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someguyjc - 13 Jul 2018 2:06 PM
scubaroo - 13 Jul 2018 1:49 PM

Definitely seems that way (http://www.goal.com/en-au/news/danny-holla-pulls-out-of-deal-with-melbourne-victory/18o5fxc7skixo1x7lp8aqh562g).



Page not found. Maybe he pulled out of pulling out
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socceroo_06 - 13 Jul 2018 2:03 PM
MV value the toilet seat pretty highly, much more than youth development and winning the league during the regular season.

So much so that we've sold both CBs, our striker and let both our star import and exciting prospect left wingers leave. 
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Stamap - 13 Jul 2018 11:16 AM
socceroo_06 - 13 Jul 2018 11:04 AM

Absolute zilch.

Australian Agents have been making a nice little profit sending kids to the academy. The best kids are not running around in the MV academy all the way down to the 15s

I'm skeptical that VIctory would be paying agents for academy players.
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sanchez - 13 Jul 2018 4:01 PM
socceroo_06 - 13 Jul 2018 2:03 PM

So much so that we've sold both CBs, our striker and let both our star import and exciting prospect left wingers leave. 

Hell at least we've got Troisi!!!
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paladisious - 14 Jul 2018 12:18 AM
Stamap - 13 Jul 2018 11:16 AM

I'm skeptical that VIctory would be paying agents for academy players.

Victory isn't paying the agents, the parents are
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Stamap - 14 Jul 2018 11:36 AM
paladisious - 14 Jul 2018 12:18 AM

Victory isn't paying the agents, the parents are

$4K is number quoted








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AJF - 14 Jul 2018 11:47 AM
Stamap - 14 Jul 2018 11:36 AM

$4K is number quoted

By whom?

I have spoken to a fair few parents of Victory youth players over the years at our youth games and none ever brought something like that up.
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paladisious - 14 Jul 2018 11:55 AM
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By whom?

I have spoken to a fair few parents of Victory youth players over the years at our youth games and none ever brought something like that up.

We're talking 15s 18s and 20s also, not sure about the NPL seniors but definitely happening in those ages. 
I don't think that would be something parents are sharing with you either.

There is also talk of a sponsor willing to give victory a decent amount if they appoint a certain coach and the sponsors son is included for one of the younger youth teams. If it happens it will be as obvious as can be. I'll point it out for you when/if it does happen
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NPL seniors fall to a late defeat against Moreland Zebras


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Stamap - 14 Jul 2018 12:06 PM
paladisious - 14 Jul 2018 11:55 AM

We're talking 15s 18s and 20s also, not sure about the NPL seniors but definitely happening in those ages. 
I don't think that would be something parents are sharing with you either.

There is also talk of a sponsor willing to give victory a decent amount if they appoint a certain coach and the sponsors son is included for one of the younger youth teams. If it happens it will be as obvious as can be. I'll point it out for you when/if it does happen

You sound like a parent whose son got looked over. Sour grapes perhaps??  Also brady Quinn  who played  as a number 10 is a mates son. Who happened to turn 20 today 
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Stamap - 14 Jul 2018 12:06 PM
paladisious - 14 Jul 2018 11:55 AM

We're talking 15s 18s and 20s also, not sure about the NPL seniors but definitely happening in those ages. 
I don't think that would be something parents are sharing with you either.

It might not be something that parents with kids in the team would say, but it's definitely something that parents of kids that didn't make it would.

Not calling you out, but I'm skeptical about anything like that being involved unless we see a bit more like you suggest.
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MvFCArsenal16.8 - 14 Jul 2018 7:22 PM
Stamap - 14 Jul 2018 12:06 PM

You sound like a parent whose son got looked over. Sour grapes perhaps??  Also brady Quinn  who played  as a number 10 is a mates son. Who happened to turn 20 today 

My son did get looked over, but he is only 5 so its understandable

As for Brady who turned 20, well done to him, but unfortunately he'll be looking for an npl2 team next season
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Latest?
                         Import?
       Import?       Troisi      Kosta
               Antonis         Hope
Brown    Ansell?       Deng      Roux
                     Thomas
Bench:  Athiu, Valeri, Boxham, Ingham, Acton
Squad: Sette  Kirdar ?, ?, ?, ?, ?

Is that the latest?
The 2 (or 3) imports need to be spot on.

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Iknowbest - 19 Jul 2018 8:37 AM
Latest?
                         Import?
       Import?       Troisi      Kosta
               Antonis         Hope
Brown    Ansell?       Deng      Roux
                     Thomas
Bench:  Athiu, Valeri, Boxham, Ingham, Acton
Squad: Sette  Kirdar ?, ?, ?, ?, ?

Is that the latest?
The 2 (or 3) imports need to be spot on.

Well there are reports that vasco da gama are in for honda now.

 I can't remember but does honda prefer the middle or out wide? Troisi played wide the first time he came to victory,  that could be an option.

I would love to see Kenny as our no. 1 striker and have an import central defender unless we are chasing a striker that well known but can do the job.   if ansell goes down (which he normally does) we don't really have cover. 


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Import?
Import?       Troisi      Kosta
Antonis         Hope
Brown/Deng    Niedermier       Ansell/Deng      Roux
Thomas

Bench:  Athiu, Valeri, Boxham, Ingham, Acton
Squad: Sette  Kirdar ?, ?, ?, ?, ?

Getting there, but still light on quality depth.

Wouldn't be averse to seeing Kenny lead the line tbh, but guessing we'll be looking for an import striker and possibly some Japanese fella in the front third somewhere
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I'm normally against recycling former players, but Ansell is still quite a young and upcoming Aussie defender so glad to have him back - was very unfortunate that Donachie was such a success otherwise he probably would've still been with us last season.
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Getting there if Honda comes through.

                         Import?
       Troisi        ?Honda?      Kosta
               Antonis         Hope
Brown    Ansell      Niedermier       Roux
                     Thomas
Bench:  Athiu, Valeri, Boxham, Deng, Acton
Squad: Ingham,  Sette  Kirdar ?, ?, ?, ?, ?

Think Deng will start every match but it could be for any of the back 4 who would then be on the bench instead of him.

Just need 1 more import to help Kenny, perhaps another 1 for more depth,


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