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Waz
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The FFA are pretty much gone by November when we’ll have new masters of the game. We’re pretty much treading water for 18 months on all the big decisions.
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Bocca
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hotrod
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Ooooooo. So 2 new A-League franchises in 19/20 and the 2nd Div in 20/21.
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Bocca
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+x Ooooooo. So 2 new A-League franchises in 19/20 and the 2nd Div in 20/21. I hope so. Ray Gatt is usually in the know about these things.
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P&R will fix it 2.0
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calciopoli
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fingers crossed! 2 questions - does this suggest that the FFA are on board with it? - who decides who is in it? i could imagine a large shit fight!
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Bocca
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+xfingers crossed! 2 questions - does this suggest that the FFA are on board with it? - who decides who is in it? i could imagine a large shit fight! The FFA (whatever future form they take) will have to ratify any future second division as they are the governing body of football in Australia. That doesn't stop the second division having an independent board though (like the A-league will soon).
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So what is the best way to go about expansion in this case?
Top 4 bid are chosen, 2 in at 19/20, the other 2 in at 20/21
All other 10-14 bids go to the 2nd div in 20/21, with the 'promise' of further expansion and P&R within the next 10 years?
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Midfielder
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Great news...
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Burztur
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Hope it takes off. This way, the unsuccessful bids can have a home if they are genuine about creating a club in top flight at some point in the future.
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thewitness
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I don’t think the AAFC and their clubs would be to keen on letting failed franchise bids into their “Championship”. They’re not doing all this ground work for people to buy their way in. This model is for a competition (2nd div) populated by real existing NPL member clubs.
Ok some expansion bids meet those criteria as existing AAFC members.
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Gyfox
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+xI don’t think the AAFC and their clubs would be to keen on letting failed franchise bids into their “Championship”. They’re not doing all this ground work for people to buy their way in. This model is for a competition (2nd div) populated by real existing NPL member clubs. Ok some expansion bids meet those criteria as existing AAFC members. "Krayem said the AAFC will call for expressions of interest from clubs or consortia interested in participating in The Championship in December, with bids to close in May next year." Nov 2017.AAFC seem to be leaving it open to new bidders.
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bohemia
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+xfingers crossed! 2 questions - does this suggest that the FFA are on board with it? - who decides who is in it? i could imagine a large shit fight! I don't think so. If there's a wide field of bidders they can just raise the requirements to narrow the field. Might even end up getting closer to professional teams as a consequence.
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paulc
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National second division is kicking off with or without FFA
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Latest TWG article https://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/ffa-to-hold-second-division-talksThe big question remains whether it can stack up financially. AAFC had proposed a $2.5 million budget for each club and claimed it could get The Championship up and running without any additional funding from FFA. AAFC had proposed a $2.5 million budget for each club and claimed it could get The Championship up and running without any additional funding from FFA. But the PFA's own modelling suggested clubs would need more than double that amount in a fully-professional second division, plus league operating costs of $10-$12 million. But the PFA's own modelling suggested clubs would need more than double that amount in a fully-professional second division, plus league operating costs of $10-$12 million. How the two contrasting positions can be reconciled remains to be seen but AAFC chairman Rabieh Krayem said it was a victory that the conversation was even happening in the first place. How the two contrasting positions can be reconciled remains to be seen but AAFC chairman Rabieh Krayem said it was a victory that the conversation was even happening in the first place. "If someone said 12 months ago that we would get all these stakeholders in one room working on the second division, I reckon I could have got 100-1 (odds) pretty easily," Krayem said. "If someone said 12 months ago that we would get all these stakeholders in one room working on the second division, I reckon I could have got 100-1 (odds) pretty easily," Krayem said. "I don't think there's anyone out there now objecting to a second division. "I don't think there's anyone out there now objecting to a second division. "The big thing now is to make sure we end up with a model and the numbers stack up for it, and we've always been confident that it would." "The big thing now is to make sure we end up with a model and the numbers stack up for it, and we've always been confident that it would."
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paladisious
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Harder to being FFA to the table on this than it was to get the North and South Korean presidents together.
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bohemia
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^^ Players union being a union. The proposed second division is semi professional. So this is nothing more than PFA shooting down their own dreams.
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Burztur
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I thought we already achieved that this year Pala :)
I do wonder how much it would cost to run the league per year and for each club.
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paladisious
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+x^^ Players union being a union. The proposed second division is semi professional. So this is nothing more than PFA shooting down their own dreams. Probably a bit hasty to say that given the article only cited two separate studies of two different models by each entity.
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paladisious
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+xI thought we already achieved that this year Pala :)I do wonder how much it would cost to run the league per year and for each club. That's right, the divisions in Australian football makes Korea look like a place where everyone gets along swell. We even have an eternal dictator lol
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RDSA
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+x^^ Players union being a union. The proposed second division is semi professional. So this is nothing more than PFA shooting down their own dreams. can the pfa just fuck off for once, the kents are delusional, there has to be a cut off between pro and semi-pro somewhere in the pyramid.
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Gyfox
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+x+x^^ Players union being a union. The proposed second division is semi professional. So this is nothing more than PFA shooting down their own dreams. can the pfa just fuck off for once, the kents are delusional, there has to be a cut off between pro and semi-pro somewhere in the pyramid. ... and the point of change can move down the pyramid over time.
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kind of crazy. Just cover travel and say 15 players plus a coach and an assistant coach must be paid a minimum of 50k a year and thats only 1 mil a year yet fully professional. What do PFA want? It sounds like their model costs almost as much as an a league club minus stadium hire?
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yep, i read the first, NO ... I read the title and 'talks' flashed before my eyes for some reason.. talks nothing to see here ...
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paulc
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Definitely a step in the right direction. I hope it gets traction. But lets not kid ourselves. It needs to step up to full time professionalism in club and player.
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P&R will fix it 2.0
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It's not a 2nd Division without P&R
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+xDefinitely a step in the right direction. I hope it gets traction. But lets not kid ourselves. It needs to step up to full time professionalism in club and player. Eventually yes, but not straight away. The goal would be to go full pro within the first 5 years. -PB
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AGM | Member Update |National Second Division briefingWe'll be holding our annual general meeting, a members' update on key issues such as the NPL review, the new A-League working group (arising from this week's Congress decisions) and a briefing on the new national second division on Saturday 27 October in Melbourne. Details are: WHERE: FFV Headquarters, Level 3, 436 St Kilda Road, Melbourne WHEN: Saturday 27 October, 11am - 4pm WHAT: - 11am-11.30am: AGM
- 11.30am-12.30pm: Update on NPL Review; Update on National A-League Working Group
- 12.30pm-1pm: Lunch
- 1pm-4pm: National Second Division briefing - financial model, criteria, bid process, implementation, Q&A
National Second Division briefingPlease note that the National Second Division briefing is for AAFC MEMBERS ONLY, so if you haven't joined for this year, you need to do so. If you're interested in taking part in the National Second Division, this briefing will be essential, useful and helpful to your bid and as you determine next steps. Member clubs are asked to register to attend the briefing via the link below. PLEASE RSVP HERE BY TUESDAY 23 OCTOBER 2018.
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paulc
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2 years and counting lol. You would think if they can talk the talk what's stopping these tough guys from walking the walk. skeleton image - Google Search
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+x2 years and counting lol. You would think if they can talk the talk what's stopping these tough guys from walking the walk. skeleton image - Google Search They literally gave a timeframe on the website. Speaking of two years though how's that FFA Cup going.
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