"Firstly, football is about competition "

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When the same valid points are raised by South Melbourne everyone goes into meltdown, when it comes from Les Murray/Craig Foster it's just a normal football discussion. 

Furthermore SFC will not be worried about a third Sydney team, but what makes Craig Foster confident they have the numbers to make this a success. The Wanderers only had about 10-15% of SFC fans jump ship and even then it was those fans who were not hardcore or committed SFC fans. Now we are talking about an area with fervent support for SFC in Southern Sydney. This new group will find it tougher than they think. Sydney FC will be fine though.

Yeah, great, so why try to represent two areas in Southern Sydney and the Illawarra, why not focus on just Southern Sydney?

Let a Wollongong team represent Wollongong, it will mean even more competition when they come in.

The biggest problem South Melbourne has is overcoming the stigma of being seen as an ethnic club. Until they can definitively prove they are otherwise, pretty much impossible, they will always end up with valid arguments being overlooked.

I wouldn't describe Southern Sydney as fervently for Sydney FC, as much as I'd like to. I don't think anywhere can be described as that. In comparison to the fervor for the Sutherland Shire and the Cronulla Sharks, Sydney FC is insignificant. 

Old soccah/New ideologues

EXPANSION COZ MOR DERBIESSSSSS has to be the dumbest argument for expansion, especially in places that already have derbies. More derbies devalues the product. We've already had too many Sydney and Melbourne derbies this year as it. 

It's really the number of derbies against each team that is the problem, rather than the number of teams you have derbies against. 2 teams in a good season could play each other 5 times in a 6/7 month period. It's too much.

No problem Imo if you have 2 derbies who you play twice, and maybe once in the cup in Harare year. Finals and playing each team 3x has fucked what should be special occasions.

Yup exactly. With the season not done yet, we've had 3 Sydney derbies and 4 Melbourne derbies. Possibility that we could have one more or even two more in the final series. 7 feels close to saturation. The 2 a year and a rare cup would be far better. 

IMO we need two more Sydney teams, Southern and Campbelltown make sense to me.

I do agree for the medium and long term but these sides have got to get it right like what the WSW did.

The best thing the Wanderers did was put a line in the sand. You either supported WSW or Sydney FC.
If Southern expansion can actually force supporters to choose either their club or Sydney FC it can only be a good thing in the long run.

Yeah I'd welcome derbies against South, Dandenong-Casey or any new Melbourne team but the repetitive games against city are becoming tiresome. 

Even if Southern, Liverpool & Macarthur Rams, Marconi, Sydney United and Blacktown City joined the A-League it would not take away from the Sydney Derby.

you are hypothetically assuming south sydney vs sydney fc will be considered a derby and will be an instant hit?

if we assumed all sydney teams playing each other is considered a  'derby' then the nrl has 9 sydney teams therefore  there are over 50 sydney derbies in the nrl per season, yet 9 in the a-league devalues the product.

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I remember a few years ago when there was talk of a South Sydney club, SFC said that their concerns were based on a decent chunk of their membership holders having addresses in the South Sydney region (in particular the Sutherland Shire areas). Which was a much greater number than the number of members with addresses in the Western Sydney region. The question then is whether said members are more loyal to the club or their geographic location. They will definitely lose a percentage of fans, but it's also the responsibility of the club to grow their own fan base, which is something SFC has struggled with. People will also only switch sides if the new club has an identity that speaks to the fans and is then marketed well. If South Sydney is another Melbourne Heart, they will struggle to gain fans regardless of their location.

Pretty much. Having Crystal Palace in the EPL does nothing to diminish the North London Derby. The biggest clubs stay the biggest.

At the end of the day playing each other on a home and away is the aim. With finals and cups you end up playing some teams 3 or four times a year. Just like they do elsewhere in the world.

Maybe Sydney should come out with stronger claims about their territory? Perhaps why they haven't is for reasons like RBBAnon, Chillbilly and someguyjc have discussed? SFC Could claim their support is being pared from all-sides, but so far they've only seen a boost.

The competing with Wollongong a worry (Spreading a team across those regions dilutes identity) - I wonder if a Wollongong team were first, would many from the Sutherland Shire travel down to WIN Stadium for games, or the NRL team experience has already answered that?

Crystal Palace isn't 'North London' though, it's South London. Perhaps you meant West Ham? Though West Ham is more East London. Arsenal and Tottenham  are the two North London clubs and the only other AFAIK, is Leyton Orient, down in the Fourth Tier. Edit: Actually it seems Leyton is more East London too.

"Crystal Palace isn't 'North London' though, it's South London. Perhaps you meant West Ham? Though West Ham is more East London. Arsenal and Tottenham are the two North London clubs and the only other AFAIK, is Leyton Orient, down in the Fourth Tier. Edit: Actually it seems Leyton is more East London too."

So what is your point here? We should put another team in the Southern part of a Sydney to get a better derby?

I think there is so much more to a derby than being in the same city/having Sydney in the name.

Whilst I do believe Sydney FC and any new South Sydney club will have a derby I struggle to see how WSW and a new South Sydney club will have a derby if it's based on location(which it will be to begin with)

If you check out, on google earth, the distance/travel time between Blacktown/Sutherland and Blacktown/Gosford they're almost the equivalent so unless their ends up being an onfield rivalry after a few years I doubt it'll ever be much of a rivalry based on location.

Which means the SFC v WSW will still be the biggest game in the league

Firstly the idea of expansion is to find new markets another Sydney team is not a new market .southern expansion is slap bang in the middle of Sydney fc fan base .30% of Sydney fc memebers are from St George area the heart of southern expansionfc planned base .thirdly wollongong is NSW third largest city it is not part of Sydney there are no synergies between Wollongong on the the south coast and Sydney they are two different cities .like Newcastle is on the north coast wollongong is on the south coast .wollongong has its own soccer history its own team our team the wollongong wolves our city has thirteen thousand registered juniors.the wolves are two times NSL champions we have history southern fc have nothing the fans on the south coast will never support a Sydney team.we are not Sydney we are Wollongong nsw third largest city and like newcatle we deserve our own team .football is tribal it's a sense of belonging .football fans on the south coast feel no sense of belonging with a Sydney team hell I live two hours away from Sydney I would never travel to Sydney to support a Sydney team. Our juniors should not have to travel eight hours a week to train and play in Sydney .We are wollongong wolves fans on the south coast .we will never support a Sydney team .foz and IEmma have never asked the fans on the south coast becuase if they did they would get a resounding no way in hell wil we ever support a Sydney team .we are Wollongong and proud we are Wollongong wolves fans we have history a huge nursery a purpose built stadium in WIN stadium .southern expansion are in no mans land trying to steal Sydney fc fans and trying to include a city like wollongong which has no connection with Sydney .its like asking newcastle to merge with Sydney fc it's just plain stupid .sydney southern fc do not include Wollongong and south coast in your bid we will never support a Sydney team never . Wollongong standalone or nothing

Absurd bid southern fc three different areas two different cities st George Cronulla and Wollongong what are you going to do Foz play your home games at three different stadiums build three new stadiums in three areas what end up with two home games a season at each ground .its absurd or they expect south coast fans to travel two three hours from bpnowra and Kiama and Wollongong to Sydney.no fan synergies what's so ever between thre three different areas .a joke of a bid .wollongong standalone or nothing .

You're both fucking idiots. Sydney are babies for claiming the south like it's their turf and Foster is a donkey for supporting this bid in the first place.

As above.

Foz makes valid points but it's compromised considering he isn't making it as an SBS reporter.

This. The only thing taking away from the Melbourne and Sydney Derbies is that that's all there is, and we're getting them so many times a season.

Just get rid of south coast and hurstville from the bid and make it a sutherland shire bid. At least it will have some identity 

im all for another sydney team, the more the better. same goes for melbourne too. if sydney and melbourne and every city has many sides, you'll see alot of local away support turn up in huge numbers. its good for the local economy and good for the clubs too.

You are forgetting that your capo and most main creators of the RBB were apart of the Sin City Crew. 

Does Pabz still have his SFC tattoo?