This AFL flog is at it again. Seriously can these journos leave our game alone!


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We will call it soccer for ease of identification though we know it offends followers of the game that seems to saturate coverage of sport all around the world. The exception might be the US where sport fans are besotted by games which include spitting and flag throwing competitions.

But just for the sake of convenience and clarity it is soccer in this column today — and today only. A point of difference is required because we will be referring to other football codes. So please soccer fans do not take it personally though past experiences suggest that might be an instantly rejected request and already The Australian building is under siege.

Anyway, the unpleasant point we need to make about soccer is that in Australia the world game will never go close to being the game of power and influence it is in other parts of the world. Never Numero Uno. In fact Australia’s international team is ranked 48, which is their average position since world rankings were introduced. In 47th place are Ivory Coast and in 49th Ghana.

Soccer will not even dominate sport in Australia. Not in the way the indigenous game does. Not in the way rugby league and the State of Origin package does. It might have rugby union covered, for that is a sport that runs around shooting holes in its head.

In a game of no strategic importance 95,569 people turned up at the MCG just to watch Argentina’s Lionel Messi play a friendly match against Brazil. Days later fewer than 50,000 fans sit in the stands at the MCG to watch Australia humiliated by Brazil — the first goal of the game was in the book after 12 seconds.

Twice as many people watched a match not involving Australia than a critical game — in terms of experience and growth — involving the Socceroos and Brazil.

From Brazil’s instant goal the Socceroos limitations were opened up for all to see.

The Australian’s soccer expert Ray Gatt, wrote this after Tuesday night’s game against Brazil:“It was a case of men against boys as Brazil flexed their muscles to dispose of Australia 4-0 in their friendly at the MCG last night.

“While not at their best, the South American giants provided a masterclass in skill, vision, retention of possession and goalscoring as the Socceroos never recovered from a disastrous start that saw them give away a goal after just 12 seconds.” Gatt, the boffin, of course got it just right.

But even the fans who watch the games without Gatt’s eye for detail saw one undeniable horror. Brazil were an infinitely more naturally gifted team of athletes than Australia. We see it as a general deficiency in athleticism but the experts interpret it as a barrier to doing what the best teams do. As Gatt distilled it he saw the difference as “skill, vision, retention of possession and goalscoring.” That’s almost like telling a batsman his weakness is he cannot bat.

The other obvious and crippling problem is that soccer will never get the players in usable numbers to ever play at the level of Argentina and Brazil, the two sides we have seen close up this month. More proof if you like is the struggling 3-2 defeat of Saudi Arabia in their World Cup qualifying match.

Because of the hold the AFL and NRL have on sport across Australia, soccer has little chance of getting the best of our young male and female athletes. Soccer’s task is made even more difficult because cricket is in the mix up to its helmet too, wooing the talented that might have missed the dredging of the talent pool by the football codes.

That is the lesson learnt from this past fortnight of soccer. Australia are not good enough to be influential in the best company. And might never will be.


Definitely not linking to this piece of shit article.
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10/10 insight 10/10 relevance. Standard Journalism
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So because 150k went to two meaningless matches the game will never be popular?

I wonder what crowd two afl games in 3 days would get in brazil....



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I think its funny that he's says soccer won't dominate like afl... then goes on to say like league and state of origin does... 
Does afl dominate? Or does league... or is it some time share thing?
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Brazil were an infinitely more naturally gifted team of athletes than Australia. We see it as a general deficiency in athleticism but the experts interpret it as a barrier to doing what the best teams do. As Gatt distilled it he saw the difference as “skill, vision, retention of possession and goalscoring.” That’s almost like telling a batsman his weakness is he cannot bat.


Wow. Someone should tell this writer his weakness is he cannot write. And might never will be.

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Davo1985 - 15 Jun 2017 1:22 PM
Definitely not linking to this piece of shit article.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/opinion/patrick-smith/soccer-handed-a-harsh-lesson-and-a-few-home-truths/news-story/2ba3559c3e98057b29d156d29b09dc57


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loki - 15 Jun 2017 1:28 PM
Brazil were an infinitely more naturally gifted team of athletes than Australia. We see it as a general deficiency in athleticism but the experts interpret it as a barrier to doing what the best teams do. As Gatt distilled it he saw the difference as “skill, vision, retention of possession and goalscoring.” That’s almost like telling a batsman his weakness is he cannot bat.


Wow. Someone should tell this writer his weakness is he cannot write. And might never will be.

he follows a code that has such low skill levels, people can play for a year and become a professional. Players can even sign who have never before even playe dteh game.

It would have to be one of the lowest skilled pro sports in the world, if not the lowest. 
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I just love how people are surprised, even in our "soccer" world that the 2 attendances don't match. Its a simple equation.

a) A regular Australian international match against decent opposition or regular round qualifying would reach roughly about 40 to 60k in melbourne.
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b) add 40 to 50k, who either are euro snob fans boys who dont care much for every day australian football but wont miss a chance to see their idols so they go to the glamour brazil argentina game.
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c) All such said fan boys and travelers who came down to see their idols spent enough money and dont need to see their said idols play another game, + they have work to return to.

= Australia game at a reasonable 50k. A stand-alone game would have sold out.


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Davo1985 - 15 Jun 2017 1:22 PM
Twice as many people watched a match not involving Australia than a critical game — in terms of experience and growth — involving the Socceroos and Brazil.

lol, critical, he's really trying ins't he.



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tsf - 15 Jun 2017 1:39 PM
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he follows a code that has such low skill levels, people can play for a year and become a professional. Players can even sign who have never before even playe dteh game.

It would have to be one of the lowest skilled pro sports in the world, if not the lowest. 

Rubbish

takes at least 18 months to learn how to guess which way the ball will bounce with 51% accuracy

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loki - 15 Jun 2017 1:28 PM
Brazil were an infinitely more naturally gifted team of athletes than Australia. We see it as a general deficiency in athleticism but the experts interpret it as a barrier to doing what the best teams do. As Gatt distilled it he saw the difference as “skill, vision, retention of possession and goalscoring.” That’s almost like telling a batsman his weakness is he cannot bat.


Wow. Someone should tell this writer his weakness is he cannot write. And might never will be.

It was like reading an Australian Football Fan post, but why should we be surprised that this is the level of coherency a sockah hating journalist would produce.
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tsf - 15 Jun 2017 1:27 PM
So because 150k went to two meaningless matches the game will never be popular?

I wonder what crowd two afl games in 3 days would get in brazil....



I wonder what crowd 2 meaningless AFL games would get at the MCG, the answer is far lower than 150k.
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View from the fence - 15 Jun 2017 1:30 PM

Such a hipster. 

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Such a hipster. 

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View from the fence - 15 Jun 2017 1:30 PM

Why would you want to provide the link? 
I guess he did mention something about the aleague being a bit shit in there which must have got you all excited.
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Davo1985 - 15 Jun 2017 1:51 PM
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Why would you want to provide the link? 
I guess he did mention something about the aleague being a bit shit in there which must have got you all excited.

Still wondering why you posted the article

Anyhow.  P&R will render most of his points invalid within 10 years

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But even the fans who watch the games without Gatt’s eye for detail saw one undeniable horror. Brazil were an infinitely more naturally gifted team of athletes than Australia. We see it as a general deficiency in athleticism but the experts interpret it as a barrier to doing what the best teams do. As Gatt distilled it he saw the difference as “skill, vision, retention of possession and goalscoring.” That’s almost like telling a batsman his weakness is he cannot bat.
The other obvious and crippling problem is that soccer will never get the players in usable numbers to ever play at the level of Argentina and Brazil, the two sides we have seen close up this month. More proof if you like is the struggling 3-2 defeat of Saudi Arabia in their World Cup qualifying match.
Because of the hold the AFL and NRL have on sport across Australia, soccer has little chance of getting the best of our young male and female athletes. Soccer’s task is made even more difficult because cricket is in the mix up to its helmet too, wooing the talented that might have missed the dredging of the talent pool by the football codes.


These comments are a disgrace and an insult to the talent of the Socceroo and Matilda Footballers.
What Smith fails to have knowledge about is Brazil won due to their football culture not because of Athletes.
You don't win World Cups with athletes.
Australia's football failure is that the sporting cultures of AFL, NRL and ARU has "infected" us with the macho crap about faster, stronger, bigger.

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Why post it?
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His agenda is both to bash the sport and to trigger some clickbait but I always wonder which is the more important of the two with these articles.

It's actually that badly written that it actually brings a smirk to the face.
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The fact that they need to write an article like that shows how insecure these AFL "Journalists" are. That is 2-3 minutes of my life that I cant get back unfortunately. 







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View from the fence - 15 Jun 2017 1:54 PM
Davo1985 - 15 Jun 2017 1:51 PM

Still wondering why you posted the article

Anyhow.  P&R will render most of his points invalid within 10 years

Copying and pasting the article doesn't give the author or paper credit, posting the link does. Simple.

If you mean why would I bother posting an article that discusses negatively about our game, then the same could be said by most on here. People might still be curious. But giving credit to it? Nah wouldn't do that. 
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Davo1985 - 15 Jun 2017 2:14 PM
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Copying and pasting the article doesn't give the author or paper credit, posting the link does. Simple.

If you mean why would I bother posting an article that discusses negatively about our game, then the same could be said by most on here. People might still be curious. But giving credit to it? Nah wouldn't do that. 

I think its great to tell you the truth. They are clearly worried for whatever reason. I cant see Cockerill, Gatt, Simon Hill or any other football journalist errrr sorry sockah journalist writing about a shit sport like AFL that is only popular in half the country anytime soon. 







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One interesting point is made in the article.

For at least a decade or so, we have lamented how Australia's stock in trade has been its physicality and athleticism over skill with the ball.

Then we see a team like Brazil up close, who appear to have little difficulty melding skill with athleticism (and that has always been the case, some of Brazil's greatest players were wonderful athletes).

The sooner we understand that it is definitely not an either/or equation, the sooner we will understand why feted skillful talents like Kaz Patafta never made it.

We appear to have created a new dichotomy where we have neither the skill nor the athleticism.
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pippinu - 15 Jun 2017 2:23 PM
One interesting point is made in the article.

For at least a decade or so, we have lamented how Australia's stock in trade has been its physicality and athleticism over skill with the ball.

Then we see a team like Brazil up close, who appear to have little difficulty melding skill with athleticism (and that has always been the case, some of Brazil's greatest players were wonderful athletes).

The sooner we understand that it is definitely not an either/or equation, the sooner we will understand why feted skillful talents like Kaz Patafta never made it.

We appear to have created a new dichotomy where we have neither the skill nor the athleticism.

Clearly players like Messi or anyone not tall enough to take a mark are not able to play football errr that's Sockah for you Pipps. 
Football is clearly a skilled based game unlike AFL who can recruit players who have never played the game and can become "skilled". In other words it doesn't take much skill to play AFL. 







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pippinu - 15 Jun 2017 2:23 PM

Clearly players like Messi or anyone not tall enough to take a mark are not able to play football errr that's Sockah for you Pipps. 
Football is clearly a skilled based game unlike AFL who can recruit players who have never played the game and can become "skilled". In other words it doesn't take much skill to play AFL. 

This is a sokkah board, please remain on topic.
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pippinu - 15 Jun 2017 2:35 PM
RBBAnonymous - 15 Jun 2017 2:32 PM

This is a sokkah board, please remain on topic.

FMD you actually made me laugh. 







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RBBAnonymous - 15 Jun 2017 2:32 PM
pippinu - 15 Jun 2017 2:23 PM

Clearly players like Messi or anyone not tall enough to take a mark are not able to play football errr that's Sockah for you Pipps. 
Football is clearly a skilled based game unlike AFL who can recruit players who have never played the game and can become "skilled". In other words it doesn't take much skill to play AFL. 

People often bring up Messi as the poster boy for non athletic players (not necessarily referring to your comment).

Yes, he is small and was never necessarily "ripped" but by God he is quick over 5-10 yards.
The fact he does it with the ball at that pace obviously speaks to technique over JUST athleticism (and is what really makes him stand out) but I dare say he would be as quick over that short burst as most AFL midfielders.

Surely even Pip would agree with that (bearing in mind I do watch AFL and have done all my life)?
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People often bring up Messi as the poster boy for non athletic players (not necessarily referring to your comment).

Yes, he is small and was never necessarily "ripped" but by God he is quick over 5-10 yards.
The fact he does it with the ball at that pace obviously speaks to technique over JUST athleticism (and is what really makes him stand out) but I dare say he would be as quick over that short burst as most AFL midfielders.

Surely even Pip would agree with that (bearing in mind I do watch AFL and have done all my life)?

Might be all the steroids he was given

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Davide82 - 15 Jun 2017 2:53 PM
RBBAnonymous - 15 Jun 2017 2:32 PM

People often bring up Messi as the poster boy for non athletic players (not necessarily referring to your comment).

Yes, he is small and was never necessarily "ripped" but by God he is quick over 5-10 yards.
The fact he does it with the ball at that pace obviously speaks to technique over JUST athleticism (and is what really makes him stand out) but I dare say he would be as quick over that short burst as most AFL midfielders.

Surely even Pip would agree with that (bearing in mind I do watch AFL and have done all my life)?

Athleticism is not the overriding factor in football. It is technique and it always will be. If you happen to be Athletic and skillful then you have a lot going for you. If you are merely athletic you wont make it. 







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You got to be a good athlete to play any sport period!

But many don't understand in the sporting and football community in this country is you can be fast, strong and big all you like but if you don't have a high technical ability from the youngest ages we will never complete with the worlds best nations.

What separates them is they have a strong football cultural ingraned that focus on skill and technique and whilst a non-football like our culture is about the physical power which is reflective in our other codes but football is a highly skilled sport and it's not ingraned with us.

When we understand you need to be technically great no matter the size then we will go somewhere in this sport.

It's highly concerning that many within our Football fraternity don't understand this, you need good footballers with decent athletic ability and not the opposite.
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