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He gets it

He has a family to feed.

 HAL is a cushy number for the rest of his career as long as he doesn't get relegated.

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No one is expecting pro rel to happen immediately.
Gotta put in that proven Div 2 pathway before we can even consider it.

Yes he does, funny how he only been in this country for such a short time & has the intelligence to know this.

The a league needs to get to atleast 14 clubs then second tier maybe 10 teams would be ideal to start.

+1

We can worry about numbers all day long. We can determine the number after we install pro rel. 

We don't want promotion relegation. We want a second division

Expansion --> Second-tier --> Pro/rel

->now

* Expansion - FTA - P&R - Transfer Fees - NOW *

I agree the A League isn't ready to deal with promotion and relegation.
But Australia is ready and O'Donovan you need a dose of REALITY.

This doesn't even make any sense.

What Australian football needs immediately is more professional sides. Expanding the A-League needs to be the first step. 

We ?

2  more mid table teams 

That will fix it 

Show me where in my comment I said two teams are enough. 

He doesn't get it

A lot of the problems he is describing are symptoms of the current broken model

Without low cost clubs there is no expansion
Having low cost clubs in a single tier creates a split competition - which funnily enough is what we have now that CCM, NCJ and WP have fallen off pace

For the A League to expand we must include low cost clubs because there are no $6m-$7m franchise options out there and the TV deal cant support it
And for this to work we must have P/R otherwise the teams at the top will want to cut the deadweight that continuously absorbs 30%-40% of the funds but contributes nothing
And if we have P/R we must scrap the salary cap otherwise teams will have no means of protecting their investment

When there is a football model out there that is used by every single fucking professional league except for 2 - there is a small chance it is worth looking into

Otherwise we wont get anywhere. Not 5 years from now. Not the magical "at least 10 years". No change, no progress

Correct.

More teams will create more of a crappy league. There will be a bigger amount of teams playing for nothing on a comfortable wage.

"Right now, obviously it's nowhere near being able to do that. With 10 teams and being a salary cap the difference between NPL and state league level, the gap is too big really with the teams and the foreigners the A-League clubs can sign with the salary cap, not even including marquees.

So his reason for thinking we're not ready for promotion & relegation is that there is a salary cap and the difference between NPL and A-League level is too big.

Which is pretty much what everyone advocating for pro/rel is also saying.  Pro/Rel is part of a wider change that includes the scrapping of the salary cap and a national 2nd div.  He's not made any new arguments that haven't been addressed here already.

Take your pick then

2, 4, 6, 8, 10, 12  more mid table teams 

That will fix it 

More teams means the bottom clubs season will be over even earlier

Ha ha I love it. This should get the rabid mouths frothing

@Davide82

The problem is to even get that minimal change, the FFA have to act proactively. They have been asleep at the wheel for so long, even that may be beyond them.

I totally agree but that's not really why I enjoyed that comment.
If I was Timmy'sStalkerClivesnorejbddbdh I would have just posted a popcorn eating gif

Happy to be proven wrong but a 2nd Div with nowhere to go will likely begin with a small bang then start withering on the vine.

As soon as that happens, Cold feet brigade will postpone P&R and the Death Spiral guaranteed