Decoding the football wars between soccer and Australian rules


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Decoding the football wars between soccer and Australian rules

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Well before Mile Jedinak's first goal had ruffled the net at Stadium Australia, the code wars had started to rumble again. After the first leg of the tie, a 0-0 draw on a sub-standard pitch in Honduras, veteran footy writer Mike Sheahan had described the spectacle on Melbourne radio as "rubbish". He was not alone in that view, though he was probably in a minority.

Before that match, soccer commentator and evangelist Simon Hill had complained that Australia as a country was not taking the qualifying ties seriously enough. "Cultural misunderstanding" blinded us to the fact that at stake was a place in "the most loved, most watched and most lucrative" tournament in the world's biggest sport. Elaborating on SEN, Hill said it was Australia's historical disposition as an upstart English colony that soccer "has to be kept down".

There are issues here. One is that size alone matters. If it did, then we would all be into field hockey, volleyball and table tennis, too. Depending what metrics you use, all are in the world's top 10 sports. "Loved by the most people" is right, but that is not incontrovertibly the same thing as "most loved". Nor is biggest axiomatically best.

Another problem is the insulting idea that we are all yokels who for 150 years have allowed ourselves to be brainwashed by the forces of anti-soccer, resisting the one true sport because we know no better.

Historical forces, including but not exclusively anti-imperialism, uniquely shaped the evolution of ball sports in this country. The legacy is that soccer remains a middleweight sport here, and Australian soccer a middleweight presence in the world, forever weighed by bigger football codes in the next park and and bigger soccer nations on the next channel. That does not make the game or the Socceroos unworthy. They have their time in the sun, and it is now.

The codes watch one another; of course they do. None the less, it is risible to think that the AFL has a department of dirty tricks, aimed paranoically at soccer. What it has is a department of mildly dirty tricks, aimed at every other sport. So it is that next week's draft "coincides" with the first Ashes Test. On the basis that the enemy of my enemy is my friend, the AFL is on soccer's side.

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Besides, if AFL hegemony is all a plot, how to explain the explosion of AFLW, which has taken even the AFL by surprise, unless to argue that women are even bigger dupes than men?

Really, it is all over-wrought. Last week, SEN radio conducted a poll on what soccer should be called. This has become the tiredest bone of contention of all. The high-handed insist that there is only one football. Clearly, there's not. They say its name is not soccer. Nor is Australian rules AFL, but most AFL people live with the nomenclature, for clarity's sake. If soccer insists on being football, it can be. Arguing about it is like arguing with a referee: you can talk until you're blue in the face, but no one's mind changes.

Everyone has their own set of blinkers. Hill damns Australian media for not covering soccer as the Honduran media does. Might it not be that in both countries, media coverage accords with interest? Or are they the enlightened, and we merely Malcolm Roberts-strength denialists?

On radio, Hill said others should not comment in ignorance on his sport, because he did not comment on theirs. In print, he asked scornfully how it was the Australia was the world's greatest sports nation: "In what? Rugby league? AFL? If the competition is the world's tallest pygmy, then yep, we're smashing it." He also belittles AFLW as a "suburban giggle-fest". Dale Carnegie, eat your heart out.

Personally, I can't have the rugby league world cup, because it is so uncompetitive. International rules is a breezy enough spectacle, but has no resonance at all. They're talking about taking it to the US: whether to export it or deport it, they should.

As to our own Midfield East, can I suggest we agree that every sport has its own dynamic and stamp, each appealing in its own way, that it is possible to be a fan of more than one, that by criticism a sport can know it is alive, that we're a broad enough country to dwell on each sport in its turn, the cricket now, the oblate ball codes now and then, the Socceroos when they get to the eastern front. Can I suggest the biggest, most loved  entente in the world?

Decoding the football wars between soccer and Australian rules


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Compare the syntax here:

- "veteran footy writer Mike Sheahan had described"

- "soccer commentator and evangelist Simon Hill had complained"

Should have stopped reading there.

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sydneyfc1987 - 17 Nov 2017 7:42 PM
Compare the syntax here:

- "veteran footy writer Mike Sheahan had described"

- "soccer commentator and evangelist Simon Hill had complained"

Should have stopped reading there.

This greg baum goes on sen and bad mouths  football  all the time 
 
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Australians are almost as bad as Americans sometimes, with our "we're a sporting nation" rubbish that Baum plays up here.


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Looks like Baum hasn't changed a bit then.

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Greg Baum, 

 Who?





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MrBrisbane - 17 Nov 2017 8:50 PM
Greg Baum, 

 Who?


Never heard of him either, until now.







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sydneyfc1987 - 17 Nov 2017 7:42 PM
Compare the syntax here:

- "veteran footy writer Mike Sheahan had described"

- "soccer commentator and evangelist Simon Hill had complained"

Should have stopped reading there.

Huge red flags right there
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aufc_ole - 17 Nov 2017 11:59 PM
sydneyfc1987 - 17 Nov 2017 7:42 PM

Huge red flags right there

I liked it

"yeah it is a bit anti England and yeah we wanna keep you down, but dnt come to my country and tell me what to do"

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sydneyfc1987 - 17 Nov 2017 7:42 PM
Compare the syntax here:

- "veteran footy writer Mike Sheahan had described"

- "soccer commentator and evangelist Simon Hill had complained"

Should have stopped reading there.

You could tell by the title

"soccer and Australian rules"

Hill gives these blokes ammo every time and his editor probably had to remove the term "whinging pom" in some context. 

The whole soccer thing in the article is right though imo. Football fans need to get over it. Even if you remove it from society in Australia it will still be referred to as soccer in every second american kids cartoon and show. So kids will grow up hearing it. 

The team is even called Socceroos. The word isnt goin away. 
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Smell the fear boys.
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This is pretty much why they can't coexist FFS. 


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Football is being spoken about alot with World Cup Qualification. I don't give a shit what these people from other codes are writing about just nice to be in an age where the Socceroos and the A-league are mainstream.
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scott21 - 17 Nov 2017 6:28 PM

Decoding the football wars between soccer and Australian rules

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Another problem is the insulting idea that we are all yokels who for 150 years have allowed ourselves to be brainwashed by the forces of anti-soccer, resisting the one true sport because we know no better.


Contrast that with the hillarious observation that after dishing it out for 150 years you can't handle it starting to come back the other way.

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I’d argue that is not a war, completely one sided if there is. The AFL celebrate when someone switched codes. Articles about 18 year old ex-soccer players being drafted are common. They raved about the amount of women they plucked from other sports to play in their women’s League.

Not too mention AFLX designing a hybrid game to be played in the off season on football pitches.

Most of the SEN hosts are all ex-AFL and anti-football. The fact they give air time to people just to bash another sport so regularly is completely immoral and makes a mockery of the S in their name.

Simon Hill must be sick of having to have the same conversation anytime he’s on SEN. They don’t seem to listen to anything he is actually trying to say.

On the football side of things we’re more concerned about getting our own affairs in order as opposed to what the boys down the road are doing.
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The_Captain - 18 Nov 2017 2:05 AM
I’d argue that is not a war, completely one sided if there is. The AFL celebrate when someone switched codes. Articles about 18 year old ex-soccer players being drafted are common. They raved about the amount of women they plucked from other sports to play in their women’s League.Not too mention AFLX designing a hybrid game to be played in the off season on football pitches. Most of the SEN hosts are all ex-AFL and anti-football. The fact they give air time to people just to bash another sport so regularly is completely immoral and makes a mockery of the S in their name. Simon Hill must be sick of having to have the same conversation anytime he’s on SEN. They don’t seem to listen to anything he is actually trying to say. On the football side of things we’re more concerned about getting our own affairs in order as opposed to what the boys down the road are doing.

I dont read that many AFL articles but they come up if you search "Australia  + football". 

Like you said I can remember articles saying how good it was to get an Irish womens rugby player to potentially play. How bad is the quality? I can imagine AFLX may take off as a women's version though. 

We can harldy expect Gallop to defend the sport any time somebody writes something but at the same time Hill is in no official position. He calls the games, he doesnt need to lift himself to the role of protector of the realm. Just ignore it. 

Guy writes an article says boring. Hill reacts. Next guy writes article critizing Hill. What now? Should Hill defend himself. Then the next guy bla bla and we will just keep going. 
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WE're in the world cup, who cares what Greg Baum says?

Smell the fear.
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bettega - 18 Nov 2017 8:26 AM
WE're in the world cup, who cares what Greg Baum says?

Smell the fear.

Lol this - we just had 75k turn up on a Wednesday night to witness the Socceroos clinch their spot at the greatest event in the world. Yeah, the local scene is stagnating, but that's more incompetence at the top rather than disinterest from the general public in the game.

SEN is a proven AFL mouthpiece, why do people bother even a) listening to them and b) reacting to them?

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walnuts - 18 Nov 2017 8:45 AM
bettega - 18 Nov 2017 8:26 AM

Lol this - we just had 75k turn up on a Wednesday night to witness the Socceroos clinch their spot at the greatest event in the world. Yeah, the local scene is stagnating, but that's more incompetence at the top rather than disinterest from the general public in the game.

SEN is a proven AFL mouthpiece, why do people bother even a) listening to them and b) reacting to them?

I listen  to sen. The majority  are pro football (hell kb , John  buzz ralph, lyons and watson being pro afl but are not so anti football. ) sen have ti get in baumy and greg Denham  and mike sheeanan to appease afl house
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I don't know a single person who follows just one sport and eats at just one restaurant

The AFL needs to grow the fuck up and realise they are just one part of their consumer's needs and not all of it



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bluebird - 18 Nov 2017 9:24 AM
I don't know a single person who follows just one sport and eats at just one restaurant

The AFL needs to grow the fuck up and realise they are just one part of their consumer's needs and not all of it

Agree but the afl and its media  know their target audience so they speak to those people
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bluebird - 18 Nov 2017 9:24 AM
I don't know a single person who follows just one sport and eats at just one restaurant

The AFL needs to grow the fuck up and realise they are just one part of their consumer's needs and not all of it

I dunno.  I'm pretty sure Myer don't want you to cross the street and shop at David Jones.  Maccas doesn't want you going to KFC, Ford doesn't want you buying a Volkswagen.  Why should the AFL sit back and allow consumers to potentially be won over by a competitor?  The FFA should be doing the same..  I think it is a salient point that the AFL has the draft during the first Ashes test. They want to take eyes off every sport equally.  It's the same reason cricket for so long didn't want to give up the MCG in October to the AFL.  Every product wants to be front and centre for as long as possible.
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nick1408 - 18 Nov 2017 9:51 AM
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I dunno.  I'm pretty sure Myer don't want you to cross the street and shop at David Jones.  Maccas doesn't want you going to KFC, Ford doesn't want you buying a Volkswagen.  Why should the AFL sit back and allow consumers to potentially be won over by a competitor?  The FFA should be doing the same..  I think it is a salient point that the AFL has the draft during the first Ashes test. They want to take eyes off every sport equally.  It's the same reason cricket for so long didn't want to give up the MCG in October to the AFL.  Every product wants to be front and centre for as long as possible.

Of course Maccas don't want you to go to KFC but they don't criticise people who do go to KFC

You are right. Everybody tries to put their product front and centre and tries to get as many customers as they can. But the AFL seems to have a real problem with other sports, particularly rival sports

Cant even listen to 5 minutes of the AFL without hearing "world record pace" or "a sign up for the Socceroos". Its a real case of "why even follow another sport when you can get everything from the AFL"

And as an aside: I actually have a lot of respect for stores that are out of a product and they send you to another store. It shows a lot of class. They are there to help the customer meet their needs. Not just flog a product and take their money




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Mark457 - 18 Nov 2017 1:18 AM
Football is being spoken about alot with World Cup Qualification. I don't give a shit what these people from other codes are writing about just nice to be in an age where the Socceroos and the A-league are mainstream.

I had two mates of mine, one a life long Hawthorn fan/tragic and another mad West Coast Eagles fan, local footy player and a bit of a meat head both tell me how they've been watching all the qualifiers and were looking forward to the game the other night.
The latter is also a cop and before he got into the force was definitely one of the 'soccer is for poofs' brigade, but has since worked a few Victory games over the last few years and has actually come around to 'yeah it's not too bad'
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Dear Mr Baum...

Firstly...
You guys started it .
Football journalists did not write a piece about how boring AFL is .
Simon Hill simply responded to the moron who did.
He was obviously an AFL journo , looking for clicks on the internet when AFL news was lacking.
Hmmm ?... Sound familiar ? ... seems to be what you are doing right now..... slow AFL news day ..again ?

AFLW ...huge is it ? where ? Victoria ? SA  ? maybe  ...strange.. but there are actually large parts of Australia outside those states .
Female football has been around for as long as I can remember... and I am 60....and in every state of Australia for all that time too.
As a child I remember most Soccer (as they were known then) clubs having women's teams.

Thirdly ...your opinion counts for zero.
I am happy for AFL to do whatever it wants . I never will have any interest in it as I find it a ridiculous game ....that's my opinion and to me ...that's the one that counts.
Fortunately ....most of the world agrees with me .....not you

It never ceases to amaze me that AFL can bring in Rugby league players and have them play in its Premier Competition...immediately !
I actually can not think of any other sport so bereft of skills, that any athlete can simply waltz in and play in its top level. 
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Fourthly ...Mr Baum ..I think we can all agree that the world is becoming more and more globalized with each passing day.Technology brings it into our houses by the minute .
No longer could a sport like AFL suddenly grow and prosper in a tiny little part of Australia on its own with no competition like it did for it's first 100 years or so.
As we become more and more globalized by technology and by the growing number of immigrants we will take on more and more culture from overseas....and I don't see that as including too many overseas AFL playing immigrants.
I also haven't noticed any articles from Europe , China,India Asia, USA or anywhere else at all ....about AFL .

So ..Mr Baum ..until your next pathetic attempt to gain some clicks at footballs expense because you can't come up with any original ideas about your own sport....
Adieu. 





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The afl and its media come up with these articles to stay relevant during their off season  . They know what their doing. They're  so insecure  that some of their media personal have called them out.  
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AFL have done it for ever and a day.

They see football as a massive threat but will draw any long bow to turn it into a positive for them and grab the limelight to stay relevant.

When the Super Bowl is on you'll get articles about how such and such retired AFL player is a punter in the NFL.

NBA finals are on and such and such AFL player was a child basketball prodigy that chose AFL over basketball.

AFL draft comes along just before the summer tests and it gets mentioned such and such kid was in Some cricket academy but chose AFL.

It amuses me how they can try and put us down but as soon as Neymar or someone comes to Australia the AFL are first in the que for a photo.

It amuses me how they can bag football out but then stand in awe at Port Adelaides complete rip off of Liverpools YNWA like its original.

In reality they know they don't even come close to football hence football receiving the vitriol it does. They know we are their biggest threat.

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MrBrisbane - 17 Nov 2017 8:50 PM
Greg Baum, 

 Who?


Sounds like an arse.




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The funny thing about the 'Football 'name is if an AFL supporter goes overseas,what do they call their game?Football or AFL or Aussie Rules?
Why is their short game not called FootballX? Instead of AFLX?
They should call it Australia League Football,then you could shorten ot to ALF.It makes it easier to go around the world saying i play ALF.


AFL is like a local dialect and Rugby League is to a lesser extent'.Rugby ', however is known as a game worldwide unlike Rugby League,which is often mistaken for Rugby,even in Australia.
Mention , 'Soccer 'or 'Football 'in almost all countries around the world and everyone knows what you are talking about.In fact only in USA and Australia could someone faulter on 'Football'.


If and AFL ball bounces in a forest,does anyone hear it ?...LOL..
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crimsoncrusoe - 18 Nov 2017 12:05 PM
The funny thing about the 'Football 'name is if an AFL supporter goes overseas,what do they call their game?Football or AFL or Aussie Rules?Why is their short game not called FootballX? Instead of AFLX?They should call it Australia League Football,then you could shorten ot to ALF.It makes it easier to go around the world saying i play ALF.AFL is like a local dialect and Rugby League is to a lesser extent'.Rugby ', however is known as a game worldwide unlike Rugby League,which is often mistaken for Rugby,even in Australia.Mention , 'Soccer 'or 'Football 'in almost all countries around the world and everyone knows what you are talking about.In fact only in USA and Australia could someone faulter on 'Football'.If and AFL ball bounces in a forest,does anyone hear it ?...LOL..

Its a good point

In 2004ish the AFL went north and rebranded to AFL. The game is officially called AFL up north despite that AFL stands for Australian Football League. That's why you see a lot of articles "AFL player arrested" which refers to a junior in a local league

About the time the AFL rebranded was about the time that our code swooped on the football name. Needless to say the AFL went down the legal avenue to see what right they had to the name

The AFL is holding onto a word to describe its game that is detrimental to its expansion and progression strategy. If it wants to be known wider than the southern states then it needs to call itself AFL or AFX or whatever. To then get pissy at the Australian leg of global game for trying to call itself football - a word they no longer need - like the other 200+ (minus USA) countries that call the game football formally, and soccer informally, is pathetic

When they wanted the Brisbane Lions name who stood in their way?




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