Hibs forward Martin Boyle eyeing shock Australia call-up

Eligible through his father being born in Sydney, enough for me but can he actually play?

ffs. Playing in a third rate league and not doing very well there either. Why the fuck does he think we need him? .... oh that’s right, he thinks Australia’s a football outback where everyone plays with egg balls so we need players like him just to make up the numbers.

Interesting. Well it gives us another player to follow in Aussie abroad now. The more the merrier I say

As Vincenzo said above, the more the better. If hes shit, hes shit

"Boyle, who recently signed a new four-year contract with the Capital club, has already played for Scotland at under-16 level"

Does that rule him out?

Honestly reads like the guy just wants a free ride to a world cup.  Why do we want players to play for our country who have never actually stepped foot on Australian soil?

Not if he is a dual national or eligible for it, I think.

Only rules him out if he couldn't play for Aus when he played for Scotland.  His father's citizenship essentially means he has always been eligible for Australia.

Ok, cheers, I initially did think because his father being born in Oz it would override that, so all good. 

FIFA ELIGIBILITY RULES – ARTICLE 15-18 of the FIFA STATUTES
See Para 18
No - he isn't ruled out.

So you only need a grandparent born somewhere? You can be eligible to play for a country but not eligible to be a citizen?

Can this guy sound any more half arsed about it?

A Player who, under the terms of art. 15, is eligible to represent more than one Association on account of his nationality,may play in an international match for one of these Associations only if, in addition to having the relevant nationality he fulfils at least one of the following conditions:(a) He was born on the territory of the relevant Association;(b) His biological mother or biological father was born on the territory of the relevant Association;(c) His grandmother or grandfather was born on the territory of the relevant Association;(d) He has lived continuously on the territory of the relevant Association for at least two years

Watched his highlights...

He ain't going.

He sounds less Australian than Richard Porta

@ balki Scott

Most countries will honour a passport/citizenship if your grandparents are that nationality. I’m actually not sure what Australia’s rules are but the UK and most of Europe do that - my wife’s eligible for an EU/Dutch passport because her grandad was born there

Who?

Well it would defintely be a shock

It's called Jus sanguinis - right of blood. It varies from state to state obviously. In Czech Republic you need 1 father or mother of nationality (and there's a few other things that can complicate it). Ireland you need one grandparent. Italy is crazy - one descendant being Italian provided they were born after Italy was.

Australia's citizenship is based on Jus Soli - right of the soil, so you are automatically a citizen based on where you were born (ie on Australian soil). Australia's system is a little in between though. A parent needs to be a citizen or a permanent resident for that child to be an Aussie. Stops tourists accidentally giving birth to an Aussie.

My wife's dad was adopted from India and I think they renounce citizenship. It would be handy for my daughter if she became good enough. I wouldn't want her to be called a Richard Porter.

UK has to be a parent. It used to be father iirc.

My daughter could become an Australian at birth, because of me. If she has children they can only become Australian if she has lived in Australia for a total of 2 years or more. I'm not sure if that has to be at the time of their birth. But it's not enough I was born in Australia and my daughter is a citizen living outside of Australia.

He looks a carbon copy of Jamie Maclaren, plays off the last defender and makes runs in behind. Same age as Maclaren as well, is 18 goals in 80 games a good enough record though to warrant selection? 

Australia has citizenship by jus sanguinis also. E.g. my sister was born overseas (but to Australian citizens). By law, she was an Australian citizen the moment she was born. My parents just had to register her at the embassy.

But Australian jus sanguinis does not automatically extend to grandchildren, for example.

Ordinarily, the UK do not do that. Children of British expats are British citizens by descent. But grandchildren of British citizens are not British citizens by descent. To be a British citizen by descent, it stipulates that one of your parents must be a British citizen (other than by descent).

There's such a thing as British citizenship by double-descent (which can work for grandchildren and great-grandchildren of some British expats) but it's not automatic. It's also exceedingly difficult to get. I wager the vast, vast majority of people whose grandparents are from the UK would not be successful in applying for British citizenship by double-descent.

As for the rest of Europe, as another poster mentioned, it really varies so much from country to country.

Very interesting, listed as a utility player that can play at RWB, and ST, two positions we need.... i know it's not the most accurate indicator, but has 88 pace on FIFA, so definitely no slow coach

seems weaker than our best 23 by some margin

All this citizenship stuff is complicated. The UK has tonnes of cut offs and other exceptions. I had a Hungarian grandfather who moved to Australia in the 50s. My own father never took up citizenship and it wasn't even a topic those days. He could well have been stateless after the war and became Australian after some point I believe.

Got a UK grandfather but my mum never took citizenship and I'm not sure if my grandfather became an Australian citizen. He built planes in Australia in ww2 so it goes back ages. 

@grazor

He may have judged his ability against JMac and thought he is a chance.

Pretty much my situation as I mentioned above. Germany is also very picky with dual citizenship by naturalisation. 

Thankfully a child born to a German and foreign parent can have both citizenships after due registration. The issue is mostly with children born to two foreign parents and growing up and graduating school. I actually forget where it stands now if the kids still need to decide if they remain Turkish or automatically become German by around age 23. Turkish children have a separate category I believe. 

Did you become a British citizen by double descent??