Ange's (predicted) failure in Japan


Ange's (predicted) failure in Japan

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As soon as Postecoglou announced his move to Japan, I predicted that he will get sacked before the World Cup in Russia starts. 

He simply lacks Football knowledge. Being successful in the A-League means absolutely nothing. It's equivalent of being successful in Liga 4 in Germany..

Yokohama F. Marinos currently are in 15th place. As I expected. The question remains: When will they sack him? Or will he do a runner again before they sack him to save his face?

For the first time in his life he actually has to coach in a proper League. As a Socceroos coach he only assembled players who got coached in Europe by far superior coaches than himself. And he enjoyed the blind patriotic support of journalists and fans from down under who have no clue about Football whatsoever. Bogans who only know "oi oi oi" and if there was no Football in this country, they would be at the NRL or AFL grounds....

It is crystal clear to anyone with Football knowledge, that there is no current A-League coach competent enough to coach the Socceroos when Bert van Marvijk's contract ends. We need to search for a competent man in Europe again, of course. 
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Funarch - 8 May 2018 3:45 PM
And he enjoyed the blind patriotic support of journalists and fans from down under who have no clue about Football whatsoever.
Did he tho
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https://twitter.com/waeljabir/status/988311722531409920

Closed HAL is failing with 10 teams
Closed HAL failed with 11
FFA forced to try a 12 team Closed HAL thatll just create 2 more mid table also-rans
and still this weird 16-team panacea gets trotted out. 
Theres a sticky for this nonsense
https://forum.insidesport.com.au/1617388/The-Aleague-Expansion-Thread

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very one dimensional manager... yes dominating possession is great and making 700 passes is great but if your not getting results no one cares...

I think hes more a man manager than tactician and he gets found out time and time again.
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Cant' blame him for trying. Tbf his teams usually take a bit of time to get results, depends how patient the board are I guess.
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Funarch - 8 May 2018 3:45 PM
As soon as Postecoglou announced his move to Japan, I predicted that he will get sacked before the World Cup in Russia starts. 

He simply lacks Football knowledge. Being successful in the A-League means absolutely nothing. It's equivalent of being successful in Liga 4 in Germany..

Yokohama F. Marinos currently are in 15th place. As I expected. The question remains: When will they sack him? Or will he do a runner again before they sack him to save his face?

For the first time in his life he actually has to coach in a proper League. As a Socceroos coach he only assembled players who got coached in Europe by far superior coaches than himself. And he enjoyed the blind patriotic support of journalists and fans from down under who have no clue about Football whatsoever. Bogans who only know "oi oi oi" and if there was no Football in this country, they would be at the NRL or AFL grounds....

It is crystal clear to anyone with Football knowledge, that there is no current A-League coach competent enough to coach the Socceroos when Bert van Marvijk's contract ends. We need to search for a competent man in Europe again, of course. 

Still better than any other Australian coach ever!  He has been there three months.  His style takes time to gel and it will with a two month World Cup break in Japan. Meanwhile you can go and enjoy the  great Socceroos coached teams of sour faces like Bert and Arnie. 
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lebo_roo - 8 May 2018 4:36 PM
Funarch - 8 May 2018 3:45 PM

Still better than any other Australian coach ever!  He has been there three months.  His style takes time to gel and it will with a two month World Cup break in Japan. Meanwhile you can go and enjoy the  great Socceroos coached teams of sour faces like Bert and Arnie. 

I think Kewell will be more successful than Ange in managing a top team...
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Funarch - 8 May 2018 3:45 PM
As soon as Postecoglou announced his move to Japan, I predicted that he will get sacked before the World Cup in Russia starts. 

He simply lacks Football knowledge. Being successful in the A-League means absolutely nothing. It's equivalent of being successful in Liga 4 in Germany..

Yokohama F. Marinos currently are in 15th place. As I expected. The question remains: When will they sack him? Or will he do a runner again before they sack him to save his face?

For the first time in his life he actually has to coach in a proper League. As a Socceroos coach he only assembled players who got coached in Europe by far superior coaches than himself. And he enjoyed the blind patriotic support of journalists and fans from down under who have no clue about Football whatsoever. Bogans who only know "oi oi oi" and if there was no Football in this country, they would be at the NRL or AFL grounds....

It is crystal clear to anyone with Football knowledge, that there is no current A-League coach competent enough to coach the Socceroos when Bert van Marvijk's contract ends. We need to search for a competent man in Europe again, of course. 

It's this sort of inferiority complex thinking that holds Australian football back.
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Mean, just mean. 

Though he maybe on a hiding to nothing in Japan.
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jas88 - 8 May 2018 4:39 PM
lebo_roo - 8 May 2018 4:36 PM

I think Kewell will be more successful than Ange in managing a top team...

But than again you just don't like the guy
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Bocca - 8 May 2018 4:46 PM
Funarch - 8 May 2018 3:45 PM

It's this sort of inferiority complex thinking that holds Australian football back.

John the pragmatist stuff. 
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What are the expectations of the club?
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southmelb - 8 May 2018 5:15 PM
What are the expectations of the club?

Probably top half at a minimum. 
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If he can string a few wins together he will be back in the top half in no time but if he does eventually get sacked it is not the end of the world.

He will continue on elsewhere, every coach has their ups and downs, Ange is no different. 

He has achieved a lot in his time as a coach locally and on an international level and no amount of hating from some people will change that.








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I'm sure Yokohama F Marinos were aware of Ange's football philosophy before he was hired. Since the City Football Group control about 20% of the clubs shares, they probably wanted to create a similar environment to Manchester City. Pep didn't win the EPL in his first year so I think Ange should (and hopefully will) get two full seasons to bring in the right players and/or develop some players to match his (and CFG's) philosophies. 

Yes, it isn't the best start to a season from a results perspective but I think the football problems they are facing can be fixed - certain players are making poor decisions in vital areas of the pitch. The only way I see him getting sacked this season is if they start to drop into the relegation zone.
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pep started slowly with city as well. the players have to learn the system before they get any good at it.

 




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Currently, he is the manager of Yokohama F. Marinos, however, he has once again been tipped for the role of manager at Rangers F.C., following a short, beer fuelled discussion between team-mates of a central Scotland based junior football team.



lol.. someones been playing with his wiki page again....


 




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Don't know his arrangement with management - maybe it's 2 season so long as they don't get relegated. His budget could also be constrained or he hasn't been able to get all the players he wants yet or as many have said, he is still implementing a system.
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Ange "Kakadu" Postecoglou

"you'll never never know if you never never go"
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Does anyone with J-league knowledge know what the expectations for Yokohama were before the season?

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a club like yokohama would surely be expected to be right in amongst it at the top of the table
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Funarch - 8 May 2018 3:45 PM
As soon as Postecoglou announced his move to Japan, I predicted that he will get sacked before the World Cup in Russia starts. 

He simply lacks Football knowledge. Being successful in the A-League means absolutely nothing. It's equivalent of being successful in Liga 4 in Germany..

Yokohama F. Marinos currently are in 15th place. As I expected. The question remains: When will they sack him? Or will he do a runner again before they sack him to save his face?

For the first time in his life he actually has to coach in a proper League. As a Socceroos coach he only assembled players who got coached in Europe by far superior coaches than himself. And he enjoyed the blind patriotic support of journalists and fans from down under who have no clue about Football whatsoever. Bogans who only know "oi oi oi" and if there was no Football in this country, they would be at the NRL or AFL grounds....

It is crystal clear to anyone with Football knowledge, that there is no current A-League coach competent enough to coach the Socceroos when Bert van Marvijk's contract ends. We need to search for a competent man in Europe again, of course. 

You have no idea, stick to being a bitter. 
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inala brah - 8 May 2018 7:33 PM

pep started slowly with city as well. the players have to learn the system before they get any good at it.

If you consider finishing 3rd in the EPL and making the round of 16 in the UCL in your first year slow, then yeah Ange has nothing to worry about.....








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AJF - 9 May 2018 8:05 AM
inala brah - 8 May 2018 7:33 PM

If you consider finishing 3rd in the EPL and making the round of 16 in the UCL in your first year slow, then yeah Ange has nothing to worry about.....

Its Manchester City. That would have been a minimum for a club with that many resources.
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The bogan fan base cycle continues

step 1 possession based coach takes over
step 2 a bunch of poor results for a few months causes everyone to say the coach sux, or they are 2 one dimensional, or it won't work at this context/these players etc
step 3 posession based coach's team starts to dominate
step 4 bogans go quiet until next possession based coach takes over and goes back to step 1
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bohemia - 8 May 2018 8:03 PM
Ange "Kakadu" Postecoglou

"you'll never never know if you never never go"

Ha good one, should be Kakadou though.
Oh and Funarch, seems more to me that you've made his move to Japan and this thread more about you matey than Ange himself. I'll be sure to bookmark this one.
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There are a few hard truths to learn for both sides

For A League coaches they need to learn that in the real world teams don't take it in turns in winning titles. Some regions have more money than others. Some regions are better at player development than others. The teams at the top have quality and depth and there is a real pecking order

But the hard truth for fans is that not wining the league isn't necessarily a failure. For some teams simply making the league is a success. For some its about avoiding relegation. Others might strive for a middle table finish

To say that Ange has failed because he didn't do in a real league what he did in a balanced league is a contradictory arguement




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grazorblade - 9 May 2018 8:16 AM
The bogan fan base cycle continues

step 1 possession based coach takes over
step 2 a bunch of poor results for a few months causes everyone to say the coach sux, or they are 2 one dimensional, or it won't work at this context/these players etc
step 3 posession based coach's team starts to dominate
step 4 bogans go quiet until next possession based coach takes over and goes back to step 1

Pretty much sums it up. I hope Ange does get the sack but only so Sydney Fc can sign him.

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bluebird - 9 May 2018 9:12 AM
they need to learn that in the real world teams don't take it in turns in winning titles. 

They do in Japan. The last 4 seasons have all had a different champion. In fact, 9 different teams have won it since 2002, so your post doesn't belong here. Please go away with your repetitive nonsense.
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Derider - 9 May 2018 9:28 AM
bluebird - 9 May 2018 9:12 AM

They do in Japan. The last 4 seasons have all had a different champion. In fact, 9 different teams have won it since 2002, so your post doesn't belong here. Please go away with your repetitive nonsense.

Muppet much

Those stats can be found in any league. Its not like the same team is going to win every year like people here fear if the salary cap ever went

The A League has had 6 different premiers in 7 years, out of a pool of 10 teams

Having 9 different winners in a 17 year period from a pool of 30 or 40 teams isn't abnormal




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