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+x+x+x+xPayet injured and won't be in Russia. Griezmann scoring for fun. We're dead if he's on song. That works in two ways. We're a weak team in the group. We might be evens with Peru on a 'true odds' basis (very, very blunt guess). But we're an underdog against Denmark (based on the match-ups, at least). In that scenario, you want the strong team to dominate. We don't want Peru or Denmark to have a decent shot against France. Unfortunately, Denmark (on paper) have a better shot against France than we do. However, if we can miraculously get a result against the French, that's a flying start for us. You can then count on the French to go out and butcher everybody else in the group. We get a point and the ball's in our court against the Danes. If we get beaten (even thrashed by the French) it's not too bad. We just need to do very well against the others and hope that the French don't let up. Nah if we get thrashed by the French it is 2010 all over again, i feel we need to hope 4 points will be enough to get out of the group because i don't see us getting more than that. It didn't get us out of the group in 2010. The first 30 minutes of the tournament will decide our fate. France will come out to champing at the bit to dominate us into submission and will be cracking the whip from the get go, If we then respond as deer in the headlights starstruck the tournament is dead for us. And it could have gone the other way in South Africa. The tournament isn't over there and then. We just rely on luck and doing something brilliant in the remaining two matches if that happens. SO I wouldn't say it's all over red rover. Think of Ukraine's dismantling by Spain in their first match. But yeah,nobody is arguing that the match is some casual thing which they can afford to lose (just pointing out that it's one of three matches). We still need to give ourselves every hope in that match.
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+x+x+x+xPayet injured and won't be in Russia. Griezmann scoring for fun. We're dead if he's on song. That works in two ways. We're a weak team in the group. We might be evens with Peru on a 'true odds' basis (very, very blunt guess). But we're an underdog against Denmark (based on the match-ups, at least). In that scenario, you want the strong team to dominate. We don't want Peru or Denmark to have a decent shot against France. Unfortunately, Denmark (on paper) have a better shot against France than we do. However, if we can miraculously get a result against the French, that's a flying start for us. You can then count on the French to go out and butcher everybody else in the group. We get a point and the ball's in our court against the Danes. If we get beaten (even thrashed by the French) it's not too bad. We just need to do very well against the others and hope that the French don't let up. Nah if we get thrashed by the French it is 2010 all over again, i feel we need to hope 4 points will be enough to get out of the group because i don't see us getting more than that. It didn't get us out of the group in 2010. The first 30 minutes of the tournament will decide our fate. France will come out to champing at the bit to dominate us into submission and will be cracking the whip from the get go, If we then respond as deer in the headlights starstruck the tournament is dead for us. Because our GD was ruined after the Germany match which is the point, our best hope i feel is damage control against France, get the win against Peru and hopefully steal a result against Denmark and pray for a better GD.
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+x+x+x+x+xPayet injured and won't be in Russia. Griezmann scoring for fun. We're dead if he's on song. That works in two ways. We're a weak team in the group. We might be evens with Peru on a 'true odds' basis (very, very blunt guess). But we're an underdog against Denmark (based on the match-ups, at least). In that scenario, you want the strong team to dominate. We don't want Peru or Denmark to have a decent shot against France. Unfortunately, Denmark (on paper) have a better shot against France than we do. However, if we can miraculously get a result against the French, that's a flying start for us. You can then count on the French to go out and butcher everybody else in the group. We get a point and the ball's in our court against the Danes. If we get beaten (even thrashed by the French) it's not too bad. We just need to do very well against the others and hope that the French don't let up. Nah if we get thrashed by the French it is 2010 all over again, i feel we need to hope 4 points will be enough to get out of the group because i don't see us getting more than that. It didn't get us out of the group in 2010. The first 30 minutes of the tournament will decide our fate. France will come out to champing at the bit to dominate us into submission and will be cracking the whip from the get go, If we then respond as deer in the headlights starstruck the tournament is dead for us. Because our GD was ruined after the Germany match which is the point, our best hope i feel is damage control against France, get the win against Peru and hopefully steal a result against Denmark and pray for a better GD. Agree. Let's call that the most realistic escape route, haha
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+x+x+x+x+xPayet injured and won't be in Russia. Griezmann scoring for fun. We're dead if he's on song. That works in two ways. We're a weak team in the group. We might be evens with Peru on a 'true odds' basis (very, very blunt guess). But we're an underdog against Denmark (based on the match-ups, at least). In that scenario, you want the strong team to dominate. We don't want Peru or Denmark to have a decent shot against France. Unfortunately, Denmark (on paper) have a better shot against France than we do. However, if we can miraculously get a result against the French, that's a flying start for us. You can then count on the French to go out and butcher everybody else in the group. We get a point and the ball's in our court against the Danes. If we get beaten (even thrashed by the French) it's not too bad. We just need to do very well against the others and hope that the French don't let up. Nah if we get thrashed by the French it is 2010 all over again, i feel we need to hope 4 points will be enough to get out of the group because i don't see us getting more than that. It didn't get us out of the group in 2010. The first 30 minutes of the tournament will decide our fate. France will come out to champing at the bit to dominate us into submission and will be cracking the whip from the get go, If we then respond as deer in the headlights starstruck the tournament is dead for us. Because our GD was ruined after the Germany match which is the point, our best hope i feel is damage control against France, get the win against Peru and hopefully steal a result against Denmark and pray for a better GD. That was the exact same plan in 2010.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xPayet injured and won't be in Russia. Griezmann scoring for fun. We're dead if he's on song. That works in two ways. We're a weak team in the group. We might be evens with Peru on a 'true odds' basis (very, very blunt guess). But we're an underdog against Denmark (based on the match-ups, at least). In that scenario, you want the strong team to dominate. We don't want Peru or Denmark to have a decent shot against France. Unfortunately, Denmark (on paper) have a better shot against France than we do. However, if we can miraculously get a result against the French, that's a flying start for us. You can then count on the French to go out and butcher everybody else in the group. We get a point and the ball's in our court against the Danes. If we get beaten (even thrashed by the French) it's not too bad. We just need to do very well against the others and hope that the French don't let up. Nah if we get thrashed by the French it is 2010 all over again, i feel we need to hope 4 points will be enough to get out of the group because i don't see us getting more than that. It didn't get us out of the group in 2010. The first 30 minutes of the tournament will decide our fate. France will come out to champing at the bit to dominate us into submission and will be cracking the whip from the get go, If we then respond as deer in the headlights starstruck the tournament is dead for us. Because our GD was ruined after the Germany match which is the point, our best hope i feel is damage control against France, get the win against Peru and hopefully steal a result against Denmark and pray for a better GD. That was the exact same plan in 2010. Yeah, all this talk about damage limitation is nonsense. That was exactly Pim's mindset before the Germany game and a big reason we got pumped. Surely we have to play with confidence and have a go. Hoping for a 1 or 2-0 loss sounds really dumb, and even, dare I say, un-Australian. Such a defeatist, negative attitude.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xPayet injured and won't be in Russia. Griezmann scoring for fun. We're dead if he's on song. That works in two ways. We're a weak team in the group. We might be evens with Peru on a 'true odds' basis (very, very blunt guess). But we're an underdog against Denmark (based on the match-ups, at least). In that scenario, you want the strong team to dominate. We don't want Peru or Denmark to have a decent shot against France. Unfortunately, Denmark (on paper) have a better shot against France than we do. However, if we can miraculously get a result against the French, that's a flying start for us. You can then count on the French to go out and butcher everybody else in the group. We get a point and the ball's in our court against the Danes. If we get beaten (even thrashed by the French) it's not too bad. We just need to do very well against the others and hope that the French don't let up. Nah if we get thrashed by the French it is 2010 all over again, i feel we need to hope 4 points will be enough to get out of the group because i don't see us getting more than that. It didn't get us out of the group in 2010. The first 30 minutes of the tournament will decide our fate. France will come out to champing at the bit to dominate us into submission and will be cracking the whip from the get go, If we then respond as deer in the headlights starstruck the tournament is dead for us. Because our GD was ruined after the Germany match which is the point, our best hope i feel is damage control against France, get the win against Peru and hopefully steal a result against Denmark and pray for a better GD. That was the exact same plan in 2010. Yeah, all this talk about damage limitation is nonsense. That was exactly Pim's mindset before the Germany game and a big reason we got pumped. Surely we have to play with confidence and have a go. Hoping for a 1 or 2-0 loss sounds really dumb, and even, dare I say, un-Australian. Such a defeatist, negative attitude. I hate using the term un-Australian, but one of the few times I have is Pim's approach for the Germany game. Bloke didn't believe in his own people. Timmy didn't do much to help either there, to be fair.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xPayet injured and won't be in Russia. Griezmann scoring for fun. We're dead if he's on song. That works in two ways. We're a weak team in the group. We might be evens with Peru on a 'true odds' basis (very, very blunt guess). But we're an underdog against Denmark (based on the match-ups, at least). In that scenario, you want the strong team to dominate. We don't want Peru or Denmark to have a decent shot against France. Unfortunately, Denmark (on paper) have a better shot against France than we do. However, if we can miraculously get a result against the French, that's a flying start for us. You can then count on the French to go out and butcher everybody else in the group. We get a point and the ball's in our court against the Danes. If we get beaten (even thrashed by the French) it's not too bad. We just need to do very well against the others and hope that the French don't let up. Nah if we get thrashed by the French it is 2010 all over again, i feel we need to hope 4 points will be enough to get out of the group because i don't see us getting more than that. It didn't get us out of the group in 2010. The first 30 minutes of the tournament will decide our fate. France will come out to champing at the bit to dominate us into submission and will be cracking the whip from the get go, If we then respond as deer in the headlights starstruck the tournament is dead for us. Because our GD was ruined after the Germany match which is the point, our best hope i feel is damage control against France, get the win against Peru and hopefully steal a result against Denmark and pray for a better GD. That was the exact same plan in 2010. Yeah, all this talk about damage limitation is nonsense. That was exactly Pim's mindset before the Germany game and a big reason we got pumped. Surely we have to play with confidence and have a go. Hoping for a 1 or 2-0 loss sounds really dumb, and even, dare I say, un-Australian. Such a defeatist, negative attitude. I hate using the term un-Australian, but one of the few times I have is Pim's approach for the Germany game. Bloke didn't believe in his own people. Timmy didn't do much to help either there, to be fair. We've got to think & act like the Mannschaft.
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Brillante, Nabbout and Troisi gone for me.
Although it would be a coin toss between Nabbout and Ruka.
Troisi and Brillante have to be the first two cut.
Degenek really must have impressed BvM
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new 442 podcast is cringeworthy at best..apparently the world cup squad should have more aleague players? LOL
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xPayet injured and won't be in Russia. Griezmann scoring for fun. We're dead if he's on song. That works in two ways. We're a weak team in the group. We might be evens with Peru on a 'true odds' basis (very, very blunt guess). But we're an underdog against Denmark (based on the match-ups, at least). In that scenario, you want the strong team to dominate. We don't want Peru or Denmark to have a decent shot against France. Unfortunately, Denmark (on paper) have a better shot against France than we do. However, if we can miraculously get a result against the French, that's a flying start for us. You can then count on the French to go out and butcher everybody else in the group. We get a point and the ball's in our court against the Danes. If we get beaten (even thrashed by the French) it's not too bad. We just need to do very well against the others and hope that the French don't let up. Nah if we get thrashed by the French it is 2010 all over again, i feel we need to hope 4 points will be enough to get out of the group because i don't see us getting more than that. It didn't get us out of the group in 2010. The first 30 minutes of the tournament will decide our fate. France will come out to champing at the bit to dominate us into submission and will be cracking the whip from the get go, If we then respond as deer in the headlights starstruck the tournament is dead for us. Because our GD was ruined after the Germany match which is the point, our best hope i feel is damage control against France, get the win against Peru and hopefully steal a result against Denmark and pray for a better GD. That was the exact same plan in 2010. Yeah, all this talk about damage limitation is nonsense. That was exactly Pim's mindset before the Germany game and a big reason we got pumped. Surely we have to play with confidence and have a go. Hoping for a 1 or 2-0 loss sounds really dumb, and even, dare I say, un-Australian. Such a defeatist, negative attitude. I hate using the term un-Australian, but one of the few times I have is Pim's approach for the Germany game. Bloke didn't believe in his own people. Timmy didn't do much to help either there, to be fair. We've got to think & act like the Mannschaft. Cool Runnings is a great movie.
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+xBrillante, Nabbout and Troisi gone for me. Although it would be a coin toss between Nabbout and Ruka. Troisi and Brillante have to be the first two cut. Degenek really must have impressed BvM Wright's injury probably saved Degenek
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Juric Leckie - Rogic - Kruse Jedinak - Mooy Behich - Sainsbury - Milligan - Karacic Ryan Subs: Jones, Vukovic, Jurman, Meredith, Degenek, Risdon, Irvine, Luongo, Arzani Cahill, Ruka, Troisi Miss: Petratos, Nabbout, Brillante
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Petratos will start imo.
Juric
Petratos - Mooy - Leckie
Luongo - Jedinak
Behich - Milligan - Sainsbury - Karacic
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+xJuric Leckie - Rogic - Kruse Jedinak - Mooy Behich - Sainsbury - Milligan - Karacic Ryan Subs: Jones, Vukovic, Jurman, Meredith, Degenek, Risdon, Irvine, Luongo, Arzani Cahill, Ruka, Troisi Miss: Petratos, Nabbout, Brillante Pogba and Kante will simply run over those two. Need far more mobility in those positions for the france game.
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+x+xJuric Leckie - Rogic - Kruse Jedinak - Mooy Behich - Sainsbury - Milligan - Karacic Ryan Subs: Jones, Vukovic, Jurman, Meredith, Degenek, Risdon, Irvine, Luongo, Arzani Cahill, Ruka, Troisi Miss: Petratos, Nabbout, Brillante Pogba and Kante will simply run over those two. Need far more mobility in those positions for the france game. I'd say Irvine and Luongo. With Mooy at CAM and a bit less defensive duty.
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Reckon Jedi will be a CB. We need quality defenders A bit like Hudders and Brighton are looking would be a massive in any WC game.
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+xReckon Jedi will be a CB. We need quality defenders A bit like Hudders and Brighton are looking would be a massive in any WC game. sains and jedi seem a formidable pair so long as our line isn't too high
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Playing around on career mode as national team manager and nominated anyone who caught my eye. Came up with our 'reserves' side. Random and a few of the current squad but it looks so refreshing.
Izzo
Atkinson Chapman Burgess Elder
Jeggo Dougall
Arzani Petratos Ikonomidis
Blackwood
Bench : Glover, Elsey, Williams, Folami, Strain, Antonis, McGree
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Okay, I would have taken Antonis instead of Troisi to the WC this year, yet in your squad he only makes the bench. Opinions are interesting :)
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Based on the Roar article posted a couple of pages back, BVM doesn’t change his lineup much, or if at all, in a tournament scenario.
In addition to that Luongo seems certain to start in the box to box no.8 role, given his terrific performance against Colombia. BVM praise for him after that game was more than he has given to any other Australian player.
And on top of that, Jedinak seems a certainty for the DM no.6 role given he is in good form, BVM is likely to prioritise defence and he is the long-term captain and on-field leader.
Add those three things together and it can actually reach a conclusion where we might not see much of Mooy on the field at all. It could be quite possible that he only gets minutes as a sub at the end of games. He could potentially play no.10, but it seems more likely that Rogic and then Irvine will fill these spots.
I’m not saying it is likely, but it is certainly possible.
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+xBased on the Roar article posted a couple of pages back, BVM doesn’t change his lineup much, or if at all, in a tournament scenario.In addition to that Luongo seems certain to start in the box to box no.8 role, given his terrific performance against Colombia. BVM praise for him after that game was more than he has given to any other Australian player.And on top of that, Jedinak seems a certainty for the DM no.6 role given he is in good form, BVM is likely to prioritise defence and he is the long-term captain and on-field leader. Add those three things together and it can actually reach a conclusion where we might not see much of Mooy on the field at all. It could be quite possible that he only gets minutes as a sub at the end of games. He could potentially play no.10, but it seems more likely that Rogic and then Irvine will fill these spots.I’m not saying it is likely, but it is certainly possible. I think if Luongo and Jedinak are in the middle of the park, Mooy will start in a more advance role with Rogic coming on as a sub. Or, alternatively, if Rogic starts, its unlikely he'll start the next game given his general poor conditioning. There's no doubt Jedinak will play every minute of every game if fit. He's too important and talismanic and is a big game player.
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Reserve side imo would be. (If healthy and playing regularly)
Birighitti
Deng-Williams-Susnajr-Elder
Dougall-McGree
Mabil-Ikonomidis-Borello
Maclaren
Thomas
Atkinson-Wilkinson-Spiranovic-Gersbach
Antonis-O'Neill
Kitto-Hrustic-Theoharous
Folami
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There's a Michael Lynch article on the SMH which appeared on 19 May, 2018. https://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/world-cup-in-touching-distance-as-socceroos-gather-in-turkey-20180519-p4zg93.htmlHe writes well of the technical ability of Daniel Arzani and its use to Australia. He also suggests that Mile Jedinak is definitely going to be a starter for Australia. I think Jedinak should definitely be in the 23 man squad. I'd object if he weren't. But I reckon Lynch is wrong about the notion of Jedinak definitely being a starter. Lynch is also wrong about Nikita Rukyavysta. We need the bloke. He can score and has express pace. When we're playing counter-attacking football, we'll definitely need that. Lynch doesn't really look at Andrew Nabbout as one of the doubtfuls. I think Nabbout is a good footballer. But in the scheme of things, I don't get how he can not be a doubtful. He doesn't show the technical ability and 1 vs 1 of Arzani, the fairly rounded attacking game of Dimitri Petratos or the athleticism of Rukyavytsa.
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I think the cuts are probably down to: Risdon vs Brillante vs Karacic 2 from: Ruka, Nabbout, Petratos, Troisi, Arzani My guess is Brillante, Petratos, Troisi get cut. And then our team would line-up like this Ryan Karacic Sainsbury Jurman Behich Jedinak Luongo Leckie-Mooy-??? Juric Not sure who would get the other flank. Kruse probably.
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+xI think the cuts are probably down to: Risdon vs Brillante vs Karacic 2 from: Ruka, Nabbout, Petratos, Troisi, Arzani My guess is Brillante, Petratos, Troisi get cut. And then our team would line-up like this Ryan Karacic Sainsbury Jurman Behich Jedinak Luongo Leckie-Mooy-??? Juric Not sure who would get the other flank. Kruse probably. Imo it should be 100% 'horses for courses'. Rukya against the French (unless Kruse is training brilliantly), Arzani against the Danes. There shouldn't really be a First XI. More like a regular 7 or so. And then vary the others according to circumstances.
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Did you watch petratos in the friendlies?
Looked cool as a cucumber on the ball. Could hold up play and make the right pass. IMO, he's a lock and may start on the left.
Brillante, Troisi, Rukavytsa to be cut.
Arzani, leckie and kruse have pace (which means Rukavytsa as a winger offers nothing new). We need someone like petratos who can retain possession that also can play both as a winger and central attacking midfielder.
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+xid you watch petratos in the friendlies?Looked cool as a cucumber on the ball. Could hold up play and make the right pass. IMO, he's a lock and may start on the left.Brillante, Troisi, Rukavytsa to be cut.Arzani, leckie and kruse have pace (which means Rukavytsa as a winger offers nothing new). We need someone like petratos who can retain possession that also can play both as a winger and central attacking midfielder. Rukya offers express pace over distance (similar to Leckie, except for the other wing). Robbie Kruse and Arzani have pace but over shorter distances (which, in combination with agility, is perfect for what they do). Rukya is a much better option than Arzani against France (and probably a better option than Kruse). However, Arzani is the best option for us against Denmark. Particularly, if we can wrong-foot the Danes by playing a very, very defence heavy game against France. I agree that Petratos should make the squad. But not a shoo-in starter. As I was saying, I reckon the starting line-up should vary quite a bit on match-to-match basis.
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Given the 26 so far I think it lends itself to 4-4-1-1 rather than 4-2-3-1
First XI
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Karacic-Sainsbury-Mile-Behich
Leckie-----Mooy----Luongo-----Kruse
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Shadow players
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Milligan-Degenek--Jurman--Meredith
Arzani-----Irvine----Petratos-----Nabbout
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Risdon - may make it in place of Milligan or Degenek but will give away fouls in dangerous areas
Brillante - poor end to the season - struggles under pressure - zero minutes under BVM
Triosi - poor season with Victory - two assists qualifying - only 7 minutes under BVM
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Defensively.
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Karacic--Sainsbury--Jurman--Meredith
Leckie----Jedinak-----Luongo----Behich
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First session done. Petratos number 24, Brillante 25, Karacic 26. Probably means nothing.
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