After listening to one of the guys in charge of organising their bid on the dfs a few months ago this is no surprise.

The guy involved seemed to be totally unorganised and didn’t have any idea or direction.

He’s interview was straight after the gentleman from Brisbane City who seemed organised had a clear plan and seemed competent and confident.

Nobody is going to say they were surprised..........

If they feel they are flying that close to the wind in terms of the financial side, then yeah, it was never going to be a strong bid anyway.

A second brissy side would be stupid anyway. Maybe in 10 years.

Gold Coast, Sunshine Coast, Townsville, Cairns first.

Is this the bid mirron was backing ?

If they were planning on playing at Suncorp then it would’ve been a financial train wreck.
Hopefully they look towards a second tier bid.

Planned 15,360 seat Perry Park.


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The Expansion train wreck moves into 2nd gear

nah, just the weakest in the herd being dropped....like pro rel!

Predict SMFC to go next amidst much crying about racism and stuff.

That's the true loss here

Imagine if we did get the womens world cup. The AFL will be front and centre of it and any money that could have gone to a lasting football legacy will end up going to a training ground for the Brisbane Lions AWFL team with all the required goldplating 

More like Rel Pro

These guys just won

That architect design looks like it was on the secondary field at Perry Park.
It shows the YMCA in the far left corner.

Would’ve cost $250m + to do it with the plaza complex etc

Can’t recall much being released by Strikers on their bid, the plan appeared to be to play at Suncorp anyway?

Redevelopment of Perry Park is the desired outcome for football in Brisbane and City/Roar/Strikers should all be planning to use it.

I am not sure why anyone is bidding yet?  

What exactly are they bidding on? What is the criteria that the FFA has released? I didn't know they were accepting submissions yet? Has the congress issue been resolved yet so that potential bidders know exactly what the structure of the A-league will look like? The whole exercise at the moment is pointless

After losing out on Wellington licence they had nothing left. Good riddance!!.

“The two successful clubs may not receive annual dividends from FFA until the next broadcast deal, still another five years away, because the existing 10 clubs are unwilling to split their share any further”

“FFA is also expected to seek an expansion fee that could be upwards of $10 million for each new entrant”

So they’d need to find $10m to get in plus make up nearly $12m over the first four years in the missing broadcast distribution. Yeah, the FFA have REALLY thought this through lol.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/may/20/a-league-brisbane-strikers-withdraw-expansion-bid-amid-financial-concerns

Would be nice. Don't know much about Perry Park, but if this is possible - Let it happen!! Have Brisbane move in as it will be the ideal size stadium for Brisbane.

Where is the Fox expansion money going

Extra central costs for travel, match officials etc for 33 rounds x 6 games = 198 games instead of 127 games would chew up a few million.

I didn't believe that was a real quote when I read it.

That will pretty much knock out all these little bids rattling tins.

Only bids with very, very deep pockets need apply.

Another thing about that quote above, if the existing clubs really do think like that, then we now know precisely what they think about expansion

You can add Wollongong Wolves to the list.  Everyone wanting them over Southern Expansion but he'll the Wolves have no money for a bid. Actually half of the bidders who have gone public have no investors which would probably rule them out straight away with the current ffa structures. 

According to that guardian article, the successful bidders won't receive 4 years of annual distributions and also pay a 10 million license fee. That's almost 50 million between the 2 new clubs flowing to the FFA covers.

If that particular detail is true the FFA can well and truly stick their arguments about affordability and being "revenue neutral."

I'm disappointed to learn there will be no Ipswich/Western corridor bid.

If Brisbane City get up - it will just be another Melbourne Heart all over again with no clear home patch or supporter base. As a league we need to heed the lessons of the past to avoid making these kind of mistakes again.

@ flat_eric

There is a bid from Western Pride, assuming it went ahead that is.

Brisbane City have never really had a fan base in any period of its history, but they meet derby metrics.

It took so long to write this that it doesn't link to the discussion.  It was inspired by Bettega's post.

I agree, but the concept of the FFA paying the "Clubs" to participate has to die first and fast. 

For X years every time a discussion about expansion has come up it has devolved into drivel about P&R, metrics, fish, salary caps, marquees and shirt money.
The underlying problem is that the bulk of the money to run a team currently has to come from the FFA.  The future being touted is more of the same, but from an "independent league".  That is no future.  It's stagnation and death.

There will never be enough money raised directly from the game to satisfy the appetite of professional players and investors.  Frank's idea of wealthy benefactors giving effortlessly to grow the game he loved has fallen under the ambitions of 21st Century new money oligarchs that seek power and fame, but on somebody else's coin.

Now wait for it, there is no instant and easy answer.  Playing football in this country is either going to be expensive or otherwise irrelevant.  With relevance comes interest (measurable in column inches, A League Applications and AFL attacks) and interest brings in money, lots of it.  To sell football you have to sell an experience and if you want to pull in enough money to sustain it, then that experience has to be pleasurable, not just to those few thousand that would attend a match at a remote, terraced shit-hole, but to those who want comfortable seats, good views, hard to pronounce coffee and beer made in some tool shed.  Those people have the money that goes in the bank.  Cheap seats bring nothing much but more "interest".

The FFA need lots of money and quite a bit more than they are getting now.  Everybody accepts there is a nexus between International success and local interest in this country. (Even the ridiculous AFL and their attempts at world domination see it).  There is clearly and markedly advances in investment and interest in the local game when the national team do well on the world stage.  1974 gave us the impetus for the NSL.  The failures of the 1990s saw the end of it.  The carefully garnered results on the world stage since have buoyed up the expectation of investors that the local game has sufficient quality to be saleable.

The howls that go up from fans and pundits alike when the national U12 team fails at the Pan-Pacs should be the clear warning that this linkage is still strong.  Maybe it will weaken in 20 years or maybe never.  Until then the FFA is required to invest in everything possible to get international success and to do that at the level needed to bring home trophy after trophy needs far more money than they currently get.  Small example: You see crying in this forum about our lack of participation in ASEAN football?  Short memory abounds.  The one time we attended (ostensibly to give some A League players international exposure) the players revolted demanding match fees of $30k and even Archie saying he was "forced to go".  Yep, "forced" to represent his country (of adoption) and that the pay wasn't good enough to do it. 

To maintain interest in the local league you have demonstrate competency on the world stage.  You can't do that without money.  You can't get that money unless you have enough interest in the local league to attract investors, sponsors and importantly - spectators.  Catch 22 big time.

That's just the Reader's Digest abridged version of the Gordian Knot of problems in Australian football.

The problem is growing steadily.  The national interest is waning in a men's team that qualifies for, but doesn't advance in tournaments.  It wanes more rapidly if the teams play negatively.
The vultures will tear down anything that smells of defeat or perceived under-performance.  Ask Ange about how his kids were copping it at school to see how woven into the national fabric the vulture instinct is.

The FFA has to get more money.  The A League was supposed to bring it not take it. 
Whatever happens in the future the League has to be cut adrift and not only does it have to fund itself but it has to provide funding, not just visibility, to the rest of the sport.  It cannot be allowed to exist separate to the extent that it sucks the breath out of the game and suffocates any attempt to reform and expand it.

The League must stand alone, but it must pay its way as well.  All the costs of the League have to be born by itself. The simplest way I see is a direct annual registration fee levy on each team playing.  That will become the next endless war as the level will always be too high for Clubs to afford whilst it will never be enough to cover FFA's costs.  At least you will know it is set right when both sides bitch in public about it.

Transition is needed now or the lot collapses.  Either way, it will be an improvement on last year.