Draw for the 4th round is compete and matches kick off the 7th of November

Group A:
Mexico
Honduras
El Salvador
Canada

Group B:
Costa Rica
Panama
Haiti
Jamaica

Group C:
United States
Trinidad and Tobago
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines
Guatemala

Top 2 from each group go through to round 5.

Why is Canada so shit

A few reasons...

Canada has no domestic league. With respect to its 3 MLS teams, maybe if lucky, one Canadian will play per match. Canada has terrible grass roots coaching. It's mostly all volunteer coaches who don't know what they're doing and teach their teams to play kick and run and use the biggest kids to to try win youth trophies. No emphasis on skill development at a young age. There are hardly any qualified coaches. Kids don't play on their own to develop their skills. Playing 2 or 3 times a week with their club team isn't going to do it. You can't play outside in Canada's climate for a solid 5 months of the year due to winter. Central American teams play in tough environments where fans are in your face, throw bags of piss and batteries at our players and set off fireworks all night outside our hotel. Playing in the extreme heat of these countries is something Canadian players find very difficult to do. No one really supports Canadian soccer, only European soccer. Many of our talented young players quit and play other sports because there's no pathway to the pros. Many of our best players also qualify for other countries and choose to play for them even though they grew up in Canada.

That's the tip of the ice berg, it goes much deeper than that.

Edited by canpro: 22/10/2015 04:05:32 PM

would it be more ideal for canada to invest in their own league and break away from the mls. Where more Canadians can play regular football?

A domestic league is rumoured to be announced by the end of the year. Whether it actually happens or not remains to be seen.

A few fence sitters have recently committed to Canada (Hoilett at Q.P.R, Aird at Rangers, Cavallini - a top scorer in Uruguay) which should help in qualifying. Canada has some good young kids too (20 year old Cyle Larin has 17 goals for Orlando in MLS this year) but the pool of players isn't deep enough.

Canadians are treated as domestic players on the 3 Canadian MLS teams, but they count as foreigners on the American MLS clubs, so it's hard for a lot of Canadians to find clubs.

People outside the Concacaf region also under estimate how hard it is to go play in Central America. It's very, very difficult. Canadian players don't have the mental strength to do it yet, it seems.

They had something of a 'Golden Generation' themselves in the early/mid-'90s (they did push the Socceroos in the USA '94 quals, after all) but their talent pool just wasn't renewed I guess.

Paul Peschisolido, Alex Bunbury, Craig Forrest were pretty good players on their day, Tomas Radzinski later on...if only Owen Hargreaves had chosen to play for them instead of England:-k

Last Week:
Group A
Mexico 3–0 El Salvador
Canada 1-0 Honduras

Group B:
Costa Rica 1-0 Haiti
Jamaica 0-2 Panama

Group C:
USA 6-1 St Vincent and the Grenadine's
Guatemala 1-2 Trinidad and Tobago

USA lost to Guatemala today, and are in danger of missing next round. Although are probably still ok. Honduras are in real trouble though.

The play Guatemala at home in a few days time, if they fail to win that, then we can start discussing the possibility of no United States in Russia for 2018. :shock:

Group A:

El Salvador 2-2 Honduras
Mexico 2-2 Canada

Group B:
Panama 1-1 Haiti
Costa Rica 3-0 Jamaica

Group C:
Trinidad and Tobago 6-0 St Vincent and The Grenadines
USA 4-0 Guatemala

Matchday 5 is on Saturday morning Oz East Coast time and the last matchday for this stage is on Wednesday morning 

the USA, Mexico, Honduras, Panama, T&T and Costa Rica all make it through to the final stage (HEX)

home and away round robin with Double match dates in November, March, June, September and October

The Top 3 make the World Cup, while 4th plays off against the 5th placed Asian team in November

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_FIFA_World_Cup_qualification_%E2%80%93_CONCACAF_Fifth_Round

edit - the current qualification/making the playoff probabilities are posted at 
http://www.football-rankings.info/2016/09/fifa-ranking-october-2016-probable_23.html

Friday November 11th 2016:
United States v Mexico
Honduras v Panama
Trinidad and Tobago v Costa Rica

Tuesday November 15th 2016:
Costa Rica v United States
Panama v Mexico
Honduras v Trinidad and Tobago

Friday March 24th 2017:
United States v Honduras
Trinidad and Tobago v Panama
Mexico v Costa Rica

Tuesday March 28th 2017:
Panama v United States
Honduras v Costa Rica
Trinidad and Tobago v Mexico

Wednesday June 7th 2017 or Thursday June 8th 2017:
United States v Trinidad and Tobago
Costa Rica v Panama
Mexico v Honduras

Sunday June 11th 2017 or Monday June 12th 2017:
Mexico v United States
Panama v Honduras
Costa Rica v Trinidad and Tobago

Friday September 1st 2017:
United States v Costa Rica
Mexico v Panama
Trinidad and Tobago v Honduras

Tuesday September 5th 2017:
Honduras v United States
Panama v Trinidad and Tobago
Costa Rica v Mexico

Friday October 6th 2017:
United States v Panama
Costa Rica v Honduras
Mexico v Trinidad and Tobago

Tuesday October 10th 2017:
Trinidad and Tobago v United States
Panama v Costa Rica
Honduras v Mexico

Very disappointed in Canada. Yet again they let me down.

Matchday 1 - Saturday November 12th (AEDT):
7.35am Honduras v Panama
10.00am Trinidad & Tobago v Costa Rica
12.00pm United States v Mexico

Matchday 2 - Wednesday November 16th (AEDT):
9.05am Honduras v Trinidad & Tobago
1.05pm Panama v Mexico
1.05pm Costa Rica v United States

Matchday 1 results:
Honduras 0 Panama 1
Trinidad & Tobago 0 Costa Rica 2
United States 1 Mexico 2

Matchday 2 results:
Honduras 3 Trinidad & Tobago 1
Costa Rica 4 United States 0
Panama 0 Mexico 0

Concacaf HEX standings after Matchday 2:
1 Costa Rica 2 2 0 0 6 0 +6 6
2 Mexico 2 1 1 0 2 1 +1 4
3 Panama 2 1 1 0 1 0 +1 4
4 Honduras 2 1 0 1 3 2 +1 3
5 Trinidad & Tobago 2 0 0 2 1 5 -4 0
6 United States 2 0 0 2 1 6 -5 0

Matchday 3 - Saturday March 25th (AEDT):
United States v Honduras
Trinidad & Tobago v Panama
Mexico v Costa Rica

Matchday 4 - Wednesday March 29th (AEDT):
Panama v United States
Honduras v Costa Rica
Trinidad & Tobago v Mexico

Pwoah are USA in trouble? 

If the Yanks lose in Panama they could be.
Is Klinsman still coaching them?

The USA are somewhat fortunate 3rd qualifies directly for the WC and that 4th makes the playoff as based on past history you would expect Costa Rica and Mexico to fill the top 2 spots unless the USA improves significantly.

Logic suggest that 3rd or better is still a very strong chance unless the USA manage one point or less in their 2 March WCQ matches.

Admittedly they have played the two hardest teams in the group stage already. So probably better to see how they are fairing at the end of playing all teams once. A 4-0 loss to Costa Rica isn't acceptable for them however.

http://www.espnfc.com/blog/the-toe-poke/65/post/3001186/jurgen-klinsmann-fired-as-us-coach-social-media-reaction

Bruce Arena back in the managers seat

USA back with a 6:0 thrashing of Honduras. Pulisic was awesome. Trinidad and Tobago beat Panama 1:0 while Mexico got a 2:0 win over Costa Rica. These results have made the group extremely even. Next matches on Tuesday. 

Concacaf Standings as of March 28th:
1 Mexico 4 3 1 0 5 1 +4 10
2 Costa Rica 4 2 1 1 7 3 +4 7
3 Panama 4 1 2 1 2 2 +0 5
4 United States 4 1 1 2 8 7 +1 4
5 Honduras 4 1 1 2 4 9 -5 4
6 Trinidad & Tobago 4 1 0 3 2 6 -4 3

Matchday 5:
Mexico v Honduras
United States v Trinidad & Tobago
Costa Rica v Panama

Matchday 6:
Mexico v United States
Panama v Honduras
Costa Rica v Trinidad & Tobago

I'm amazed at how old the usa team are

Are they being coached by holger osiek? Even if they make the world cup they will be screwed (unless they clone pulisic a few times)

why has the production line stopped in the usa

USA 2 Trinidad & Tobago - recap via CBS Sports website:
http://www.cbssports.com/soccer/news/usa-2-0-trinidad-and-tobago-pulisic-puts-up-superstar-performance-in-crucial-win/

should we cheer for usa?
would much rather face panama than usa...

If Australia end up in the AFC playoff and win that (which is no certainty) Panama would have to be the preferred opponent, no doubt they would be tougher than rankings would suggest though - a lot like the ME teams are within Asian qualifying.

Looks like the yanks are back on track, can't see them finishing any worse than 3rd.

We would beat panama comfrtably over 2 legs, Honduras would be tricky.

as above

MD7 Friday September 1st 2017:
Trinidad and Tobago v Honduras - 10am Saturday Melb time
United States v Costa Rica - 1055am Saturday Melb time
Mexico v Panama - 1130am Saturday Meb time

MD8 Tuesday September 5th 2017:
Honduras v United States
Panama v Trinidad and Tobago
Costa Rica v Mexico