scotty21
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Draw for the 4th round is compete and matches kick off the 7th of November Group A: Mexico Honduras El Salvador Canada Group B: Costa Rica Panama Haiti Jamaica Group C: United States Trinidad and Tobago Saint Vincent and the Grenadines Guatemala Top 2 from each group go through to round 5.
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TheSelectFew wrote:Why is Canada so shit A few reasons... Canada has no domestic league. With respect to its 3 MLS teams, maybe if lucky, one Canadian will play per match. Canada has terrible grass roots coaching. It's mostly all volunteer coaches who don't know what they're doing and teach their teams to play kick and run and use the biggest kids to to try win youth trophies. No emphasis on skill development at a young age. There are hardly any qualified coaches. Kids don't play on their own to develop their skills. Playing 2 or 3 times a week with their club team isn't going to do it. You can't play outside in Canada's climate for a solid 5 months of the year due to winter. Central American teams play in tough environments where fans are in your face, throw bags of piss and batteries at our players and set off fireworks all night outside our hotel. Playing in the extreme heat of these countries is something Canadian players find very difficult to do. No one really supports Canadian soccer, only European soccer. Many of our talented young players quit and play other sports because there's no pathway to the pros. Many of our best players also qualify for other countries and choose to play for them even though they grew up in Canada. That's the tip of the ice berg, it goes much deeper than that. Edited by canpro: 22/10/2015 04:05:32 PM
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switters
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Canpro wrote:TheSelectFew wrote:Why is Canada so shit A few reasons... Canada has no domestic league. With respect to its 3 MLS teams, maybe if lucky, one Canadian will play per match. Canada has terrible grass roots coaching. It's mostly all volunteer coaches who don't know what they're doing and teach their teams to play kick and run and use the biggest kids to to try win youth trophies. No emphasis on skill development at a young age. There are hardly any qualified coaches. Kids don't play on their own to develop their skills. Playing 2 or 3 times a week with their club team isn't going to do it. You can't play outside in Canada's climate for a solid 5 months of the year due to winter. Central American teams play in tough environments where fans are in your face, throw bags of piss and batteries at our players and set off fireworks all night outside our hotel. Playing in the extreme heat of these countries is something Canadian players find very difficult to do. No one really supports Canadian soccer, only European soccer. Many of our talented young players quit and play other sports because there's no pathway to the pros. Many of our best players also qualify for other countries and choose to play for them even though they grew up in Canada. That's the tip of the ice berg, it goes much deeper than that. Edited by canpro: 22/10/2015 04:05:32 PM would it be more ideal for canada to invest in their own league and break away from the mls. Where more Canadians can play regular football?
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Canpro
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switters wrote:Canpro wrote:TheSelectFew wrote:Why is Canada so shit A few reasons... Canada has no domestic league. With respect to its 3 MLS teams, maybe if lucky, one Canadian will play per match. Canada has terrible grass roots coaching. It's mostly all volunteer coaches who don't know what they're doing and teach their teams to play kick and run and use the biggest kids to to try win youth trophies. No emphasis on skill development at a young age. There are hardly any qualified coaches. Kids don't play on their own to develop their skills. Playing 2 or 3 times a week with their club team isn't going to do it. You can't play outside in Canada's climate for a solid 5 months of the year due to winter. Central American teams play in tough environments where fans are in your face, throw bags of piss and batteries at our players and set off fireworks all night outside our hotel. Playing in the extreme heat of these countries is something Canadian players find very difficult to do. No one really supports Canadian soccer, only European soccer. Many of our talented young players quit and play other sports because there's no pathway to the pros. Many of our best players also qualify for other countries and choose to play for them even though they grew up in Canada. That's the tip of the ice berg, it goes much deeper than that. Edited by canpro: 22/10/2015 04:05:32 PM would it be more ideal for canada to invest in their own league and break away from the mls. Where more Canadians can play regular football? A domestic league is rumoured to be announced by the end of the year. Whether it actually happens or not remains to be seen. A few fence sitters have recently committed to Canada (Hoilett at Q.P.R, Aird at Rangers, Cavallini - a top scorer in Uruguay) which should help in qualifying. Canada has some good young kids too (20 year old Cyle Larin has 17 goals for Orlando in MLS this year) but the pool of players isn't deep enough. Canadians are treated as domestic players on the 3 Canadian MLS teams, but they count as foreigners on the American MLS clubs, so it's hard for a lot of Canadians to find clubs. People outside the Concacaf region also under estimate how hard it is to go play in Central America. It's very, very difficult. Canadian players don't have the mental strength to do it yet, it seems.
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BA81
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TheSelectFew wrote:Why is Canada so shit They had something of a 'Golden Generation' themselves in the early/mid-'90s (they did push the Socceroos in the USA '94 quals, after all) but their talent pool just wasn't renewed I guess. Paul Peschisolido, Alex Bunbury, Craig Forrest were pretty good players on their day, Tomas Radzinski later on...if only Owen Hargreaves had chosen to play for them instead of England:-k
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scotty21
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Last Week: Group A Mexico 3–0 El Salvador Canada 1-0 Honduras Group B: Costa Rica 1-0 Haiti Jamaica 0-2 Panama Group C: USA 6-1 St Vincent and the Grenadine's Guatemala 1-2 Trinidad and Tobago
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thewitness
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USA lost to Guatemala today, and are in danger of missing next round. Although are probably still ok. Honduras are in real trouble though.
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thewitness wrote:USA lost to Guatemala today, and are in danger of missing next round. Although are probably still ok. Honduras are in real trouble though. The play Guatemala at home in a few days time, if they fail to win that, then we can start discussing the possibility of no United States in Russia for 2018. :shock:
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Group A: El Salvador 2-2 Honduras Mexico 2-2 Canada Group B: Panama 1-1 Haiti Costa Rica 3-0 Jamaica Group C: Trinidad and Tobago 6-0 St Vincent and The Grenadines USA 4-0 Guatemala
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Glh37
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Matchday 5 is on Saturday morning Oz East Coast time and the last matchday for this stage is on Wednesday morning
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+xMatchday 5 is on Saturday morning Oz East Coast time and the last matchday for this stage is on Wednesday morning the USA, Mexico, Honduras, Panama, T&T and Costa Rica all make it through to the final stage (HEX) home and away round robin with Double match dates in November, March, June, September and October The Top 3 make the World Cup, while 4th plays off against the 5th placed Asian team in November https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_FIFA_World_Cup_qualification_%E2%80%93_CONCACAF_Fifth_Roundedit - the current qualification/making the playoff probabilities are posted at http://www.football-rankings.info/2016/09/fifa-ranking-october-2016-probable_23.html
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Friday November 11th 2016: United States v Mexico Honduras v Panama Trinidad and Tobago v Costa Rica
Tuesday November 15th 2016: Costa Rica v United States Panama v Mexico Honduras v Trinidad and Tobago
Friday March 24th 2017: United States v Honduras Trinidad and Tobago v Panama Mexico v Costa Rica
Tuesday March 28th 2017: Panama v United States Honduras v Costa Rica Trinidad and Tobago v Mexico
Wednesday June 7th 2017 or Thursday June 8th 2017: United States v Trinidad and Tobago Costa Rica v Panama Mexico v Honduras
Sunday June 11th 2017 or Monday June 12th 2017: Mexico v United States Panama v Honduras Costa Rica v Trinidad and Tobago
Friday September 1st 2017: United States v Costa Rica Mexico v Panama Trinidad and Tobago v Honduras
Tuesday September 5th 2017: Honduras v United States Panama v Trinidad and Tobago Costa Rica v Mexico
Friday October 6th 2017: United States v Panama Costa Rica v Honduras Mexico v Trinidad and Tobago
Tuesday October 10th 2017: Trinidad and Tobago v United States Panama v Costa Rica Honduras v Mexico
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TheSelectFew
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Very disappointed in Canada. Yet again they let me down.
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Matchday 1 - Saturday November 12th (AEDT): 7.35am Honduras v Panama 10.00am Trinidad & Tobago v Costa Rica 12.00pm United States v Mexico
Matchday 2 - Wednesday November 16th (AEDT): 9.05am Honduras v Trinidad & Tobago 1.05pm Panama v Mexico 1.05pm Costa Rica v United States
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Matchday 1 results: Honduras 0 Panama 1 Trinidad & Tobago 0 Costa Rica 2 United States 1 Mexico 2
Matchday 2 results: Honduras 3 Trinidad & Tobago 1 Costa Rica 4 United States 0 Panama 0 Mexico 0
Concacaf HEX standings after Matchday 2: 1 Costa Rica 2 2 0 0 6 0 +6 6 2 Mexico 2 1 1 0 2 1 +1 4 3 Panama 2 1 1 0 1 0 +1 4 4 Honduras 2 1 0 1 3 2 +1 3 5 Trinidad & Tobago 2 0 0 2 1 5 -4 0 6 United States 2 0 0 2 1 6 -5 0
Matchday 3 - Saturday March 25th (AEDT): United States v Honduras Trinidad & Tobago v Panama Mexico v Costa Rica
Matchday 4 - Wednesday March 29th (AEDT): Panama v United States Honduras v Costa Rica Trinidad & Tobago v Mexico
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scotty21
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Pwoah are USA in trouble?
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+xPwoah are USA in trouble? If the Yanks lose in Panama they could be. Is Klinsman still coaching them?
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+xPwoah are USA in trouble? The USA are somewhat fortunate 3rd qualifies directly for the WC and that 4th makes the playoff as based on past history you would expect Costa Rica and Mexico to fill the top 2 spots unless the USA improves significantly. Logic suggest that 3rd or better is still a very strong chance unless the USA manage one point or less in their 2 March WCQ matches.
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+xPwoah are USA in trouble? Admittedly they have played the two hardest teams in the group stage already. So probably better to see how they are fairing at the end of playing all teams once. A 4-0 loss to Costa Rica isn't acceptable for them however.
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Bruce Arena back in the managers seat
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USA back with a 6:0 thrashing of Honduras. Pulisic was awesome. Trinidad and Tobago beat Panama 1:0 while Mexico got a 2:0 win over Costa Rica. These results have made the group extremely even. Next matches on Tuesday.
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Concacaf Standings as of March 28th: 1 Mexico 4 3 1 0 5 1 +4 10 2 Costa Rica 4 2 1 1 7 3 +4 7 3 Panama 4 1 2 1 2 2 +0 5 4 United States 4 1 1 2 8 7 +1 4 5 Honduras 4 1 1 2 4 9 -5 4 6 Trinidad & Tobago 4 1 0 3 2 6 -4 3
Matchday 5: Mexico v Honduras United States v Trinidad & Tobago Costa Rica v Panama
Matchday 6: Mexico v United States Panama v Honduras Costa Rica v Trinidad & Tobago
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I'm amazed at how old the usa team are
Are they being coached by holger osiek? Even if they make the world cup they will be screwed (unless they clone pulisic a few times)
why has the production line stopped in the usa
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should we cheer for usa? would much rather face panama than usa...
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Glh37
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+xshould we cheer for usa? would much rather face panama than usa... If Australia end up in the AFC playoff and win that (which is no certainty) Panama would have to be the preferred opponent, no doubt they would be tougher than rankings would suggest though - a lot like the ME teams are within Asian qualifying.
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Looks like the yanks are back on track, can't see them finishing any worse than 3rd.
We would beat panama comfrtably over 2 legs, Honduras would be tricky.
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as above
MD7 Friday September 1st 2017: Trinidad and Tobago v Honduras - 10am Saturday Melb time United States v Costa Rica - 1055am Saturday Melb time Mexico v Panama - 1130am Saturday Meb time
MD8 Tuesday September 5th 2017: Honduras v United States Panama v Trinidad and Tobago Costa Rica v Mexico
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