Decentric, you seem a bit too paranoid in imagining that cliques and factions of people are aligned against you, and are opposed to your coaching methods.

A few dozen people posting on internet forums should not deter a committed coach from pursuing his program.

And if you continually post about your coaching programs on the internet, you must expect some response, some of it positive, some of it critical. You don't seem to be able to take criticism- you react to critics as if they are heretics standing in the way of human progress, or something.

Some people probably have more practical experience of football than you, so are entitled to comment on your coaching philosophies.

This comment is meant for some people like Webby et al, who know me from other forums. Localstar, unless you post under a different name on one of those forums and know me under a name other than Localstar, 442 has been a revelation. I've been here for four years on and off and I can't remember any polemics I've been involved in. There are a few on other forums who post because they are bored and troll most of the time, looking to take out their frustrations on others, and, to hijack productive discussions which occur on the likes of here.

442 is a breath of fresh air. The categories of 1. and 2. mentioned above, launch diatribes about 442, excoriating the people who set it up and the participants.

That this Performance Section has been set up is great. Credit to Kevin and Andy, and whoever else for conceiving the concept, then putting it into practice.

Some other 442 members know well about categories 1. and 2. Pertinently, those 442 members tend to post primarily on this forum.

Every coach I team up with has more experience than me. I played street football for 7 years, then played 8 years of organised football which came to a stop. I have learnt a lot from many different coaches, which is probably relevant for any coach.

I think I've done 8-9 years coaching, plus two years observing some of the state's top coaches twice weekly.

They have been no deterrent whatsoever from training ground coaching.

What they have done is hijack productive coaching discussion and the sharing of ideas on the internet.

Constructive criticism is always welcomed. One can only learn from it.

There is one aspect to football that I have never seen discussed on any forum.

Game man ship
This is when a midfielder teaches an opposition defender to not rush in on him, a goal keeper to stay on his line and singles out a hot head on the other team and antagonizes him into losing concentration.

Many coaches seem to not understand or appreciate this and can not read when one of their own players is using this tactic.
Group 1 fall into this group.

http://www.ehow.com/video_2360374_do-matthews-turn-soccer.html


This is interesting. It is sometimes called the Matthews Cut after Stanley Matthews. It is also called the body swerve.

On another internet video the player touched the ball initially with the inside of the foot, before taking the ball away with the ouside of the same foot.

I was shown this move when I was quite young. It has been useful because so many moves come fom this.

Personally, I think the body swerve/Matthews Cut is a better move running straight at a defender than the Cut demonstrated by the balding coach coaching the two girls in the earlier video. I think the Cut is a better move as a more diagonal or sideways deception technique.

I have made mistakes teaching players in the last few years.

Because the Brazilian techniques look so flamboyant, I think I've shown them to players too early, before they've mastered some more basic deception moves.

These are:

1. Inside foot dribbling from foot to foot and moving forwards.

2. The Cut as demonstrated by the balding coach.

3. Inside and outside of the foot dribbling with the same foot -inside/outside/inside/outside. These touches are always moving forwards. Also, the ball is pushed at a 45 degree angle every time the foot touches the ball. This is also known as the Matthews Cut to confuse things!!

4. The Body Swerve/Matthews Cut as demonstrated in the previous video in the previous post.

With these dribbling techniques, not much can go wrong. They are relatively simple. Lionel Messi and Arne Robben often don't use many more techniques than these when they run at defenders.

Why teach evasion techniques, when current FFA methodology and KNVB methodology and much top level football emphasise one and two touch pass and move football? At some stage all passing lanes may have been shut down. Other than players playing a long ball or playing the ball out of play, if a player can't beat players one on one, there is no other option.

Even Lucas Neill and David Carney when in defence judiciously use the Cut to occasionally dribble the ball past opponents in defence.


Here is another scenario.

Coach X coaches a female underage team. They play roster matches in a boys division. He is a good bloke and a good coach.

Coach C (a co-coach in this soccer school), another good bloke and a good coach, coached a boys team against the female state team. He found it easy to negate the state team playing out from the back on many occasions. The state team relied on one and two touch football and the creation of passing lanes to move the ball out of defence.
When all passing lanes were closed, they had no options and they had been taught not to hoof it. Coach C suggests coach X should have spent time on deception techniques. When passing lanes had been closed, the girls needed some other options according to coach C.

Fair comment.

Even in teams playing one and two touch pass and move football, it is not always possible to play it everywhere on the pitch.



Edited by Decentric: 3/4/2011 10:12:01 PM

Thanks again, Arthur.

We'll ensure clubs/regional associations have this before we take sessions.

One thing that has been taught well down here is body shape and using the body effectively in physical encounters on the pitch. Every coach I know has more knowledge than me in this area. It is always good to have one of the coaches with body shape knowledge assisting in any session we run. I learn all the time from them.

I also know nothing about goalkeeping. I even tell parents/kids before sessions.

Conversely, even though they know I am less experienced, other coaches are eager to learn KNVB methodology and technical work with the ball I've acquired.

Coaches working constructively together can compensate for each other's weaknesses.

What does "gamesmanship" have to do with Group 1? By this, I assume you mean the three groups of critics in decentric's post?

What you are talking about sounds like something the captain of the team should be sorting out during the game, rather than the coach... it sounds like spontaneous behaviour from individual players, rather than any pre-planned tactic.

Rationale for starting a portable football school in Hobart.

1. There are a lot of teenagers dropping out of soccer. The core principle of soccer is that children have fun and grow to love the game through participation and building friendships. Junior clubs finish at under 12. Senior clubs start with under 13s. There is considerable drop off between the two.

2. This soccer school is free. Clubs need to provide equipment - poles, bibs, cones and balls.

3. Elite players gain most of the sound coaching in Tasmania. We are doing the first two stages of the KNVB four stage paradigm –
1) a. Specific/technique/skill b. Technique/skill in fun activities/games
2) 4v4 SSGs.
The soccer school programme methodology is essentially Dutch KNVB, UEFA, Brazilian Soccer Schools, Wilf Coerver and current FFA.

4. Junior footballers need senior role models. We would like to organise premier league players of both genders on a roster to attend sessions. Interesting that there seem to be many more suggested female role models than males!

5. There is not enough technique training in Tasmania/Australia. Some coaches are still asking players to run without the ball. Children like playing with the ball.

6. Some parents get lumbered with coaching their kids' teams with no previous knowledge of the game. They need demonstration models of coaching sessions. Football Federation Tasmania provides courses for Grass Roots and Junior Licences, which is good, but they involve weekend commitment and money. The parents also don't see coaching models in operation. We intend to provide working sessions for those parents.

7. Migrants are often passionate about the game, but some can't afford registration fees. A few of us are providing an altruistic service. We've organised the Migrant Resource Centre to bus them to and from training grounds.
Premier clubs or junior associations will provide the poles, bibs, cones and balls. We provide the coaching free of charge for the participants. Three senior clubs have expressed interest. So has a junior club. One of the five state regional junior associations is also interested. We take the school to whoever will provide equipment. We suggest clubs leaflet their local primary schools. All have affiliated junior clubs.


8. If one coaches a club/rep team, one only has access to about 16-20 players over a season. This way we will have contact with many more players.

9. This soccer school is club non-specific with the main aims to promote enjoyment, fun, game intelligence and skills.

10. Soccer school mentors/coaches welcome positive feedback.




Protocol for Club Representatives assisting with the Soccer School

1. They are there to assist kids having fun, not as a recruitment programme for their club.

2. They need to be respectful and acknowledge the goals of the soccer
school and assume a supportive role in promoting those ideals.

3. They are there as positive role models to promote football in general.

4. As part of the positive role model we would encourage football mentors to turn up in club playing attire to promote football in general.

5. We see clubs being the residual beneficiaries of the participation of the junior/youth/migrant participants in the soccer schools programme.

6. Club mentors must be respectful to the children regardless of their skill level/ability/background.






This is an updated version of two of us putting our heads together to write this. We've sent this to clubs.

I'm feeling quite excited by the project. I feel like it is a win/win situation for all stakeholders.

lol

I don't know whether to laugh or cry at this.

As long as you're sticking to Tassie, no major damage. :lol:

[quote=Freaken]lol

I don't know whether to laugh or cry at this.

As long as you're sticking to Tassie, no major damage. :lol: [/quoteGroup 1.


Group 1
A predominantly Sydney based self-anointed football pseudo - inelligentsia exist. They consistenly deride KNVB methodology, and label it some sort of product analogous to Amway. They are essentially xenophobic.

They don't proffer any alternative methodology such as the Italian Coverciano, French Clarefontaine, or the new German high speed precision football, borrowed from the Dutch. They also share nothing with each other or anybody else about coaching. They exude a sneering cynicism about foreign coaching expertise in this country. They claim the local Aussie coaches are adequate, but don't suggest which methodology or curriculum they should use.
They denigrate anybody interested in football until after 2005 as new dawners, thus having no credibility. They communicate with each other through a sneering, hostile, blokey cynicism. They are often passionate football fans, but cynical and malcontented. They hate 442 forum. They are very opiniated about football, but have little theoretical knowledge to substantiate their views.

Edited by Decentric: 5/5/2011 11:43:13 PM

This will put Ken Morton out of business.

stunning stuff...aussies will be world champs by 2024. i have been playing for over 30 years and some of the drills are out of this world
modern aussie soka playa will look like this

Nice work edude

koji edude jebote:-$

:^o

Oscar, Edude, Beaver, Freaken, Gary (all being part of aforementioned Group 1), what do you propose as alternative methodology for a football school?

We are using:

1. KNVB methodology
2. Wilf Coerver ball techniques
3. UEFA Training Ground technique videos
4. Brazilian Soccer Schools deception and turning skills
5. Barcelona Academy drills

This is quite extensive methodology and used in top professional clubs around the world. These are all used in the context of the first two phases of the KNVB framework.

4v4 is used, which is the minimum SSG to utilise width and depth. The game intelligence extrapolates to 11 v 11.

Some videos have been put on here to exemplify specific techniques to forum members which are not part of 1-5.

Now is the time to delineate what alternative methodology you would use.

One would assume you are all experts holding advanced coaching qualifications. Moreover, one could assume given your scepticism of the five sources of contemporary methodology the football school wishes to use, that you have graduated from the Italian Coverciano, the French Clarefontaine, the Brazilian and German football federations.
Now set out your reservations about the five football sources of methodology, why you would not use any or all of them, then propose alternatives.

Put up or shut up.




Edited by Decentric: 5/4/2011 12:46:47 AM

Despise is rather a strong word, I would rather suggest that, this forum is not really my thing. :) I prefer a range of discussion topics. Anyway.

As for your assertion that 'many' people see the positives, I can count 3 positive posters other than yours in this thread. I suppose that is a 'few'. :)

Deccentrics' program is no different to whats already been happening in Melbourne and growing.
Hope Tassie takes up on this quickly.

Not sure what things are like down in Tassie, but most half-decent kids up here in Sydney have mastered everything you mention in this thread by 12.

The thing I like with the training drill is the amount of content delivered in a short time period.
The number one problem I see with coaches is they are too lazy and take training too slowly, then when they wear suits to training you can be guaranteed they like the sound of their own voice and will waste half an hour lecturing. Irrspective of what training exercises they chose being busy and getting touches on the ball is important.I don;t know what its like in Tasmania, but amongst the kids here they are obsessed with dribbling and they pass on various dribbling techniques particularly Africans, afghans. Where they are very weak is making long passes, vision, making penetrating attacking runs off the ball, trapping the ball off long or hard passes, heading the ball. The other thing is they don;t understand once they beat a player, they just have to draw away a player from someone else and pass early.

That is actually another major issue, people don't understand just because you can do something it doesn't mean you have mastered it and should stop practising it.

If what you say is true, why does nobody in this country dribble like Christiano Ronaldo, or, show some signs of it? I've never seen any senior players put together a sequence of sole of the foot rolls interspersed with various inside and outside stepovers, plus elastics and outside of the foot cuts, lIke Christiano does.

I've seen a lot of footage of national boys championships from a couple of years ago shown to me by a mate who is a state coach. The technique of players, even from the top teams, is mediocre.

I've done sessions with most of the top Australian coaches, and they are light years behind the KNVB guys Rob Baan brought over as instructors.
The top FFA based coaches at the top of the FFA hierarchy are too easy on us. They tell coaches they are doing the right thing, when they are not. I know of state coaches who've come back from national conferences convinced they are doing the right thing. They are not because they still have players doing sprints without the ball. For the KNVB this is anathema.

KNVB coaches, Derkson and Schans, ripped into all our best players- Socceroos from the A League- and told them they were awful in training ground exercises. The players responded quite quickly though. The FFA upper echelons of the coaching hierarchy would never do that. There is a pecking order here.

Edited by Decentric: 5/4/2011 12:59:01 AM

How many people anywhere in the world dribble like CR (no H in Cristiano)? Who says that all players need to dribble like Ronaldo? Who says that it's ideal?

How many stepovers and "elastics" do you see from Messi?

Arie Schans cites the Japanese as being technically brilliant when he was there coaching in the J League and the Japanese universities. That is with no pressure. He contends that if one puts a defensive player in a training exercise to pressure players with the ball, many Japanese players can't perform.

This is the same as some young players in Australia. Can they dribble around players in match scenarios with their heads up using highly technical deception techniques like the two Ronaldos, Robinho, Roanaldinho et al? No.

I take your point.

I agree unequivocally.

Messi and Arne Robben simply use the sideways Cut, the Matthews Cut,body swerve, changes of pace and inside to inside of the foot dribbling to be just as effective as Chrisitiano.

The thing is, Christiano is the one the kids want to emulate. He usually uses a lot of elastics, Roberto Carlos turns, Ronaldos, Ronaldinhos, Kelebersons, Dennlson step overs (all Brazilian Soccer Schools nomenclature) to intimidate, then often beats players with a simpler body swerve and change of pace. Other than goals this is probably many spectators' favourite event in football.

Denilson is considered to be one of the best dribblers of the 90s. Where did that get him?

Are you developing footballers based on entertainment value or effectiveness?

Iniesta and Xavi are up there with Messi as the best in the world... how many stepovers, "elastics" or any other rubbish do you see from them?