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Judy Free wrote:General Ashnak wrote:Judy Free wrote:lukerobinho wrote:keep it up lads loving the debate (y) What has clearly been established in this thread is that the $650k blow in dutchy is falling way short in his duties. I wonder if he's been given a clear job description by the FFA and delivery dates and/or milestones? Who's critiquing this mugs performance? The rower, the afl bloke or the rent collector? Edited by judy free: 3/5/2011 05:21:38 PM Not entirely true Chips, but the most important aspect of his job description has not been implemented quickly enough. We still do not have a true support network available to the grassroots which will enable it to grow and develop without having unreasonable costs bourne by it. So who's fault is that, GA? Someone has to take responsibility. If you're paying someone $650k pa you'd want to ensure you're getting value from the investment, no? I agree he needs to be getting his arse kicked for this, I actually thought that Les & Foz were going to grill him about in on TWG, but instead let him off with out going into any detail. He has been doing the other parts of his job well though, this is what makes me think that the issues he has mentioned vaguely as 'technical' are actually nothing to do with technology but with implementation. I don't think they have anyone on staff who can simplify their message sufficiently for it to be effective at grassroots level. Over coming that hurdle is going to be a massive undertaking.
The thing about football - the important thing about football - is its not just about football. - Sir Terry Pratchett in Unseen Academicals For pro/rel in Australia across the entire pyramid, the removal of artificial impediments to the development of the game and its players. On sabbatical Youth Coach and formerly part of The Cove FC
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Barca4Life wrote:General Ashnak wrote:Soft News wrote:I should have driven to SBS last night to hit on Julie Nehme…
Han spoke OK to me, we’re not Brazil, but at least we have something. Also the time to talk about this technical shit was when the National Plan was being developed, not years after it was accepted as standard. With internet streaming and so on, any old idiot from around the plant could have tuned in and listened to Han and the FFA is paying him $600,000 if Duty Free Chips is right in his wage guess.
The technical issue that they have appear to have hit is how to effectively provide the information in the plan to the grassroots in a way that it will be cost effective, easy to implement by unskilled coaches and actually provides the fundamentals required to successfully underpin the more detailed standards of the later ciriculum. Out of interest maybe Decentric may know this too, but the implementation of the NC (National Ciriculum)is easier at the elite level but implementing it at the grass roots level is more difficult due to the fact its a cost factor or software issue??? :-k And is the FFA working on this, because this is a major issue for aus. football! I just don't know the answer to this. I'll ask the state TD in a few days time. It is a fair point. Nevertheless, it is one facet of the new model.
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It would be nice if this thread could exist simultaneously in AF and Performance as it is entirely relevent to both forums.
The thing about football - the important thing about football - is its not just about football. - Sir Terry Pratchett in Unseen Academicals For pro/rel in Australia across the entire pyramid, the removal of artificial impediments to the development of the game and its players. On sabbatical Youth Coach and formerly part of The Cove FC
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General Ashnak wrote:It would be nice if this thread could exist simultaneously in AF and Performance as it is entirely relevent to both forums. True point
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Dan_The_Red wrote:
Havent you learnt yet!! Stop being so positive/optimistic/supportive[-x .....lol...
I'm not always. I'm pessimistic abuut qualifying for the next World Cup. I'm pessimistic about the A League's future. The optimism comes from comparing the KNVB and FFA coaching courses I've completed. Edited by Decentric: 3/5/2011 07:11:27 PM
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Barca4Life wrote:General Ashnak wrote:It would be nice if this thread could exist simultaneously in AF and Performance as it is entirely relevent to both forums. True point Agreed.
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neverwozza wrote:http://player.globalfootballsystem.com/index.php?sample&cfm=VGhlIGFnZSBncm91cCBpcyBjaGFuZ2VkLg==
I don't know if the link above will work but it points to Global Football System which outlines quite nicely the preferred formation for small sided games leading up to 11v11 and 4-3-3 formation. There is a lot of instruction for each age group.
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Judy Free wrote:
The priority is taking the talented (elite) kids to a better level via improved coaching and providing a better competitive environment at around age 16, 17 and 18.
Frankly, I don't give a shit if the rest of the weekend hackers gave up sockah for ballet. For them it's only a weekend leisure activity.
Edited by judy free: 3/5/2011 02:20:00 PM
Elitist attitude. Any player pays his/her subs. Any of these players may take active admin/coaching/refereeing roles in the future. If a player enjoys the game, great. Social or lower league players have just as much right as the elite player to play the game. Edited by Decentric: 3/5/2011 07:02:39 PM
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one of the ( many ) problems is at grassroots, the director of football is usually an existing player looking for an extra cash supplement and has bugger all interest in developing youth football.
Europe is funding the war not Chelsea football club
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rabid wrote:[ You really are a fool.
What the hell do you base your comment that our top european players are on a par with top jap, korean,uzbek, omani,iranian and iraqi players?
Jap and korean maybe but as for the rest well it is just laughable that you can come on here and make such outrageous claims and people lap it up. Empirical observations. If our top Euro players are so much better, why have we struggled to beat these teams in international games? There is nothing between our Euroroos and Japan, Korea, Uzbekistan, Iraq, Oman, Kuwait and Iran, in the last games we've played against them. I include Uzbekistan because they have dominated possession against us, maybe suffering a few defensive lapses. Harry Kewell has alluded to this. If we have so much better Euroroos, we should have thrashed these teams when we last played them. Instead, they have been tough teams to play against. If my contention is laughable, provide the match records of our last games against these countries refuting my assertions? I think there are many in this country with no access to pay TV. They have seen little football played by Asian nations against us in internationals and the ACL since we've joined the Asian Confed.
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localstar wrote:Decentric wrote:Judy Free wrote:Clinton wrote:The techniques that made this squad world beaters at U-17 level is what hurt them when they are adults. The same aussie junior/youth coaching in this very same era (1999) didn't seem to mess with the careers of: Emerton, Grella, Culina, Bresciano, Kewell, Cahill, Sterjovski et al. At the rate we're going under the curent dutch model, the best we can hope for is perhaps the occasional Danny Invincible. Would all these same players be picked up by European clubs now in a different epoch? The game is much faster now. Players have to operate in ever diminishing time and space, given the advances in intensive full pressing and squeezing that top teams in 2011 utilise. European scouts are much more active in world wide recruiting in 2011 than in the early nineties when many Australian players started to make their mark. There is a greater talent pool when one actively scouts Africa, Asia, Central America and North America, as opposed to South American talent in the early nineties. I don't quite understand what you are getting at here, D... Are you saying that top Aussie players in the nineties had an easier ride into European clubs, because European scouts had narrower horizons, and there was less competition? I'm saying there is more awareness of players, through scouts, outside of Europe and South America with the potential to play in big Euro leagues. There is also a feeling amongst various coaching fraternities that a lot of the open areas used for street football, thus unofficially developing players for professional football, are taken up by buildings. The theory is that most children in Europe play less football than their fathers did in the street. Hence, the 10 000 hour rule is harder to attain. Africa now has many kids playing a lot more street football than in Europe.
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sanga1 wrote:Decentric wrote:Judy Free wrote:Arthur wrote:And there is a problem in this area as the National Curriculum is "Vague" about content and "Vague" to the layman junior coach. Oh derrr. We've employed a collection of 5th rate unemployable dutch hacks who have managed to fool a rower, an AFL dude and shopping centre rent collector by speaking in scripted headline statements.
The strayan sockah con of the century. I haven't done a FFA Licence since I did KNVB training. The former FFA coaching course was nebulous in content when I did a Youth Licence in 2007. KNVB is very structured. It provides a prescriptive framework, but with the onus on coaches to adopt a level of eclecticism within that structured framework. From what Andy jackson says, there is much more KNVB content in the advanced courses from C Licence upwards. With the community coaching , from Senior Licence downwards it may be different. I'd like to see STFA Striker provide more detail about his recent FFA Senior licence. Once again, you pontificate on supposed flaws in our Dutch coaches, but you proffer no alternatives, Chips. He's right you know Sanga , ask this question. Has Chips done a recent community FFA coaching course to compare methodology to his youth licence in the nineties? No. Has Chips done advanced coaching courses comparing contemporary methodology to what was in the nineties? He has never done any advanced coaching courses in any era. Has he attended any FIFA/FFA conferences in Australia to scrutinise changing methodological practices in the international game? No. Chips will also contend Australia should not rely on one country's coaching methodology. This presupposes that most stakeholders in Australian football are steeped in other top global practices like Coversiano, Clairefontaine and Brazilian methodology. Nothing is further from the truth. One can only be eclectic if they have been educated in most creditable coaching practices. Chips will simplistically focus on one facet of a programme, extrapolate that it transfers to all aspects of a programme, then simplistically denigrate it in its entirety. One needs to evaluate a programme in its entirety to appraise objectively. One also needs to have some methodological understanding to excoriate a programme in its entirety. Chips is a malcontented cynic because he lost money investing in Sydney FC. He now excoriates the Australian football milieu at every opportunity. Edited by Decentric: 3/5/2011 07:00:43 PM
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Decentric wrote:rabid wrote:[ You really are a fool.
What the hell do you base your comment that our top european players are on a par with top jap, korean,uzbek, omani,iranian and iraqi players?
Jap and korean maybe but as for the rest well it is just laughable that you can come on here and make such outrageous claims and people lap it up. There is nothing between our Euroroos and Japan, Korea, Uzbekistan, Iraq, Oman, Kuwait and Iran, in the last games we've played against them. I include Uzbekistan because they have dominated possession against us, maybe suffering a few defensive lapses. Harry Kewell has alluded to this. If we have so much better Euroroos, we should have thrashed these teams when we last played them. Instead, they have been tough teams to play against You do realise we smashed Uzbekistan 6-0 with our full side, kuwait we played against with basically our C side.
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General Ashnak wrote:[ I agree he needs to be getting his arse kicked for this, I actually thought that Les & Foz were going to grill him about in on TWG, but instead let him off with out going into any detail. He has been doing the other parts of his job well though, this is what makes me think that the issues he has mentioned vaguely as 'technical' are actually nothing to do with technology but with implementation. I don't think they have anyone on staff who can simplify their message sufficiently for it to be effective at grassroots level. Over coming that hurdle is going to be a massive undertaking. None of us on here know the inner workings of what Han Berger has to contend with. Does his right hand man, Kelly Cross, fully support the implementation of the KNVB oriented FFA programme? How will Kelly benefit? He told me he intended to bring over French and Brazilian instructors to augment what the KNVB instructors did a few years ago. It has never happened. It undermines Kelly's position to have highly credentialled international instructors imparting methodology to our coaches. How much support does Berger have from his staff? How many people work directly under him? What support does he receive from state federations to implememt the programme? By focusing on elite coaching development as a priority there is possibly more chance of getting results at the highest level quickly. A priority of grass roots coach education may have meant major logistical problems by having contact with a lot more coaches.
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rabid wrote:Decentric wrote:rabid wrote:[ You really are a fool.
What the hell do you base your comment that our top european players are on a par with top jap, korean,uzbek, omani,iranian and iraqi players?
Jap and korean maybe but as for the rest well it is just laughable that you can come on here and make such outrageous claims and people lap it up. There is nothing between our Euroroos and Japan, Korea, Uzbekistan, Iraq, Oman, Kuwait and Iran, in the last games we've played against them. I include Uzbekistan because they have dominated possession against us, maybe suffering a few defensive lapses. Harry Kewell has alluded to this. If we have so much better Euroroos, we should have thrashed these teams when we last played them. Instead, they have been tough teams to play against You do realise we smashed Uzbekistan 6-0 with our full side, kuwait we played against with basically our C side. I realise that. We also had our lowest possession percentage against them in any match against any team for three years. We were very lucky to beat them 6-0. We had a couple of breaks against the run of play when we were struggling to cope with their intensive full pressing game. We were really struggling to keep the ball. Uzbekistan is also as at least as physically strong as Australia. Last time we beat them 2-0 in Australia, it was a tough game, with Kennedy breaking the deadlock. Kewell received a fortuitous penalty. When we beat them 1-0 in Tashkent, after Chipper scored , they dominated. We only just held them out. Uzbekistan should also have beaten Japan in Japan in a World Cup qualifier. I think they've underachieved.
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Decentric wrote:rabid wrote:Decentric wrote:rabid wrote:[ You really are a fool.
What the hell do you base your comment that our top european players are on a par with top jap, korean,uzbek, omani,iranian and iraqi players?
Jap and korean maybe but as for the rest well it is just laughable that you can come on here and make such outrageous claims and people lap it up. There is nothing between our Euroroos and Japan, Korea, Uzbekistan, Iraq, Oman, Kuwait and Iran, in the last games we've played against them. I include Uzbekistan because they have dominated possession against us, maybe suffering a few defensive lapses. Harry Kewell has alluded to this. If we have so much better Euroroos, we should have thrashed these teams when we last played them. Instead, they have been tough teams to play against You do realise we smashed Uzbekistan 6-0 with our full side, kuwait we played against with basically our C side. I realise that. We also had our lowest possession percentage against them in any match against any team for three years. We were very lucky to beat them 6-0. We had a couple of breaks against the run of play when we were struggling to cope with their intensive full pressing game. We were really struggling to keep the ball. Uzbekistan is also as at least as physically strong as Australia. Last time we beat them 2-0 in Australia, it was a tough game, with Kennedy breaking the deadlock. Kewell received a fortuitous penalty. When we beat them 1-0 in Tashkent, after Chipper scored , they dominated. We only just held them out. Uzbekistan should also have beaten Japan in Japan in a World Cup qualifier. I think they've underachieved. Ohhhhh FFS lucky to win 6-0 based on your stats.](*,) Tell me what happened to your stats site? Wasnt that supposed to be the next big thing in coaching aids at international level?
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rabid wrote:Decentric wrote:rabid wrote:[ You really are a fool.
What the hell do you base your comment that our top european players are on a par with top jap, korean,uzbek, omani,iranian and iraqi players?
Jap and korean maybe but as for the rest well it is just laughable that you can come on here and make such outrageous claims and people lap it up. There is nothing between our Euroroos and Japan, Korea, Uzbekistan, Iraq, Oman, Kuwait and Iran, in the last games we've played against them. I include Uzbekistan because they have dominated possession against us, maybe suffering a few defensive lapses. Harry Kewell has alluded to this. If we have so much better Euroroos, we should have thrashed these teams when we last played them. Instead, they have been tough teams to play against You do realise we smashed Uzbekistan 6-0 with our full side, kuwait we played against with basically our C side. I should also mention that we struggled to beat Bahrain in the Asian Cup. What I'm saying is that there are no easy games in Asia. I thought Australia would do well playing in cool conditions in neutral territory at the Asian Cup. Most games were very hard matches. In away games often we have to play in extreme heat with little preparation. I think a number of mid- ranked European teams would struggle to qualify through Asia. Some Euro media were surprised at the standard of play at the Asian Cup.
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Davstar wrote:Joffa wrote:I can't believe the FFA are considering abolishing the three youth player requirement on club lists. ill give you that but what would you suggest? Possible alternativeness to make the league more sustainable: - Get rid of the NYL and have a state based reserves side in the state Premier league? - Cut wages? and make the entire league weaker - keep seeing clubs rise and fold... All of which are not great options Edited by Davstar: 2/5/2011 10:28:46 PM That is totally retarded. Instead of the mandatory 3 young aussie players, clubs will sign cheap overseas trash. So not only will they flood our league with hack foreigners but it prevents critical development of our young talented players. Two things will happen: 1. They will get the shits and go overseas or 2. Rot in the reserves and never fulfill their potential Both scenarios are very freaken sad IMHO
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General Ashnak wrote:He has been doing the other parts of his job well though, this is what makes me think that the issues he has mentioned vaguely as 'technical' are actually nothing to do with technology but with implementation. I don't think they have anyone on staff who can simplify their message sufficiently for it to be effective at grassroots level. Over coming that hurdle is going to be a massive undertaking. If what you say is true, then that is totally unacceptable. The type of problem you allude to above does not suddenly sneak up on you at the 11th hour. Leads one to conclude that the FFA did not think any of this through prior to filling the TD position. If Burger is unable to fulfill his role (for whatever reason) than there is no point him hanging about sucking $650k pa out of the system. And, yes, it's a pity that neither Murray or Foster had the balls or wisdom to grill him on this matter.
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Decentric wrote:Judy Free wrote:
The priority is taking the talented (elite) kids to a better level via improved coaching and providing a better competitive environment at around age 16, 17 and 18.
Frankly, I don't give a shit if the rest of the weekend hackers gave up sockah for ballet. For them it's only a weekend leisure activity.
Edited by judy free: 3/5/2011 02:20:00 PM
Elitist attitude. Moreover an attitude cleary focused on achieving international success. Despite your wishful thinking, the results of the South West Hobart Hackers U11/3's girl's team ain't gonna change the face of sockah in this country. Decentric wrote:If a player enjoys the game, great. Social or lower league players have just as much right as the elite player to play the game. Erm, yes, where exactly did I claim otherwise?
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Decentric wrote:There is also a feeling amongst various coaching fraternities that a lot of the open areas used for street football, thus unofficially developing players for professional football, are taken up by buildings. The theory is that most children in Europe play less football than their fathers did in the street. Hence, the 10 000 hour rule is harder to attain.
Africa now has many kids playing a lot more street football than in Europe. Seriously, at times it's like the reading the ramblings of a 5 year old high on M&M's.
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Decentric wrote:As I thought, I must have met you on TWGF. There is an inimitable cynicism and trolling style from that site.
Person D was recruited by person Y on 442 to write for SOF with money incentive.
Y owned an IT site with person E.
D wrote a lot of match analyses over 6 months.
Y also recruited person M to write in Asia. M wrote Asian round up.
Y also wanted person W to write, a friend of D's.
E communicated to D that there were minor problems with site. Couldn't understand why Y hadn't acted.
Y wouldn't act on E's or D's suggestions to facilitate advertising revenue.
Y was slack about generating and contacting potential advertisers.
W wisely refused writing for SOF becaue he didn't trust Y.
D burnt out from writing. Quits. Also, cites lack of will from Y to chase advertising and make it easier for advertisers to contact site. Moreover, fed up of staring into TV and computer screens for inadequate remuneration.
W now generates substantial advertising revenue from own football site.
D may join W in joint venture in the future.
Y closes site in fit of pique. Y leaves M adrift. Probably annoyed that W has an income generating football site. Y probably realises he lost a big opportunity to make money.
D prefers to focus on coaching.
W generating income from own football site.
Poor M cut adrift.
Y is a 442 member. F M D Will someone call the fucking police. :lol:
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Decentric wrote:rabid wrote:[
Ohhhhh FFS lucky to win 6-0 based on your stats.](*,)
Tell me what happened to your stats site? Wasnt that supposed to be the next big thing in coaching aids at international level? As I thought, I must have met you on TWGF. There is an inimitable cynicism and trolling style from that site. Person D was recruited by person Y on 442 to write for SOF with money incentive. Y owned an IT site with person E. D wrote a lot of match analyses over 6 months. Y also recruited person M to write in Asia. M wrote Asian round up. Y also wanted person W to write, a friend of D's. E communicated to D that there were minor problems with site. Couldn't understand why Y hadn't acted. Y wouldn't act on E's or D's suggestions to facilitate advertising revenue. Y was slack about generating and contacting potential advertisers. W wisely refused writing for SOF becaue he didn't trust Y. D burnt out from writing. Quits. Also, cites lack of will from Y to chase advertising and make it easier for advertisers to contact site. Moreover, fed up of staring into TV and computer screens for inadequate remuneration. W now generates substantial advertising revenue from own football site. D may join W in joint venture in the future. Y closes site in fit of pique. Y leaves M adrift. Probably annoyed that W has an income generating football site. Y probably realises he lost a big opportunity to make money. D prefers to focus on coaching. W generating income from own football site. Poor M cut adrift. Y is a 442 member. What has generating advertising revenue got to do with your stats on that site? It costs next to nothing to host a site. You are a sham.
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Judy Free wrote:Decentric wrote:There is also a feeling amongst various coaching fraternities that a lot of the open areas used for street football, thus unofficially developing players for professional football, are taken up by buildings. The theory is that most children in Europe play less football than their fathers did in the street. Hence, the 10 000 hour rule is harder to attain.
Africa now has many kids playing a lot more street football than in Europe. Seriously, at times it's like the reading the ramblings of a 5 year old high on M&M's. Basically straight out of the KNVB course book.
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Decentric wrote:rabid wrote:Decentric wrote:rabid wrote:[
Ohhhhh FFS lucky to win 6-0 based on your stats.](*,)
Tell me what happened to your stats site? Wasnt that supposed to be the next big thing in coaching aids at international level? As I thought, I must have met you on TWGF. There is an inimitable cynicism and trolling style from that site. Person D was recruited by person Y on 442 to write for SOF with money incentive. Y owned an IT site with person E. D wrote a lot of match analyses over 6 months. Y also recruited person M to write in Asia. M wrote Asian round up. Y also wanted person W to write, a friend of D's. E communicated to D that there were minor problems with site. Couldn't understand why Y hadn't acted. Y wouldn't act on E's or D's suggestions to facilitate advertising revenue. Y was slack about generating and contacting potential advertisers. W wisely refused writing for SOF becaue he didn't trust Y. D burnt out from writing. Quits. Also, cites lack of will from Y to chase advertising and make it easier for advertisers to contact site. Moreover, fed up of staring into TV and computer screens for inadequate remuneration. W now generates substantial advertising revenue from own football site. D may join W in joint venture in the future. Y closes site in fit of pique. Y leaves M adrift. Probably annoyed that W has an income generating football site. Y probably realises he lost a big opportunity to make money. D prefers to focus on coaching. W generating income from own football site. Poor M cut adrift. Y is a 442 member. What has generating advertising revenue got to do with your stats on that site? It costs next to nothing to host a site. You are a sham. It wasn't my idea to start a site for football stats. it was supposed to generate an income. It added 10- 20 hours intensive work to a demanding full time professional job. You were the one espousing its values and claiming that international coaches were on your bandwagon and it was a must have coaching tool. You seem to continually play catch up football.
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Decentric wrote:I noticed you weren't watching Sydney FC in the ACL from the time listed on one of your posts. Decentric, whilst watching TV I can also chew gum, drink tea, scratch my nuts, pat my head, rub my tummy and play footsies on my ipad. As you can see, I am a man of many many talents.
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Judy Free wrote:Decentric wrote:I noticed you weren't watching Sydney FC in the ACL from the time listed on one of your posts. Decentric, whilst watching TV I can also chew gum, drink tea, scratch my nuts, pat my head, rub my tummy and play footsies on my ipad. As you can see, I am a man of many many talents. Shazza's got you multi tasking. She wins.
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