So how many do Brisbane have atm?

Scouse is claiming inside knowledge on 5,000+

Last year we went from 1,800 to 4,400 which is a really good increase, if we could continue on to 6,000 this year then I'd be happy

Nice

Adelaide 2000 (August 10th)
Brisbane 5000 (September 20th)
Central Coast 2300 (August 10th)
Heart 4000 (September 12th)
Newcastle 9258 (September 20th)
Perth 5000 (August 10th)
Sydney 7000 (September 9th)
Victory 15905 (Septmber 20th)
Wellington ?
West Sydney 2000 (September 12th)

Adelaide 2000 (August 10th)
Brisbane 5000 (September 20th)
Central Coast 3000 (September 26th)
Heart 4000 (September 12th)
Newcastle 9528 (September 26th)
Perth 5000 (August 10th)
Sydney 8000 (September 24th)
Victory 16453 (September 25th)
Wellington ?
West Sydney 2000 (September 12th)

Just a few notes as well, Wellington Phoenix are apparently up 50% on last year what ever that was for the same time. Not sure what that would be but probably somewhere between a jump from 2000 to 3000 and 3000 to 4500 but if someone has last years number post it on here.

Heart I'm assuming had a great membership drive on the family day if Scott Munn is saying that we should be looking at around 7000 before the first game.

Those are really healthy numbers. =d>

:-k

:lol:

We may know AUFC's numbers after 10/10.

If so, that means the game has grown here - we had 23K in season 3.

Newcastle now sitting at 9,743.

Great effort and fantastic to see.

AU Members Club AGM?

beats me why we can't just email Matt Rossi and expect a proper answer?

Was at the Wanderers game tonight against Bankstown City and they announced the Wanderers have reached 2500 members.

A solid but slightly disappointing figure

Hmm, may've been a slow down since SydneyCroatia and Mack were talking circa 2k a month or so ago?

But look - Guys, it just shows the hard yards involved! They don't grow on trees!

People are talking 7k for Heart too - wouldn't be surprised to hear calls of 'that's disappointing/crap' there too, let alone for Roar too, who probably still cop a battering - '5k? You kidding?!'

They're all growing from '0,' IF that - infact it may be a step to 'even reach 0' such are the struggles to set up and establish a club in this competitive marketplace.

There are no givens, no build it and they will come. Less we repeat Gold Coast United all over again.

Wanderers, Heart, Roar and the rest need to work, but it's also a 'slow burn.'

The good signs I can see is most clubs are making steady, gains on gains and have so last couple seasons.

Roar may be coming from a low base, but like RL25 suggested, that's still amazing growth IMHO and shows good signs for Roar heading in the right direction.

Some people talk like club's should be getting 9-10k instantly (Not saying you Joffa)?! But for many of these clubs in tougher markets, who had bad starts too, that kind of threshold may still be a season or two away, and even then on the proviso of reasonable success on the field, and continued hard work of it. Like Roar, Sydney and others have experienced, it can be undone if you drop the ball, put prices up or what not.

If Wanderers still have 3k members come start of season then that's still a great start, despite the short start up time as club, mixed pre-season and the poor membership culture that still exists in Sydney and which Sydney are still building up from too - Good job they're doing too, pushing record numbers even before talk of ADP! And again, if Wanderers are even half those numbers (3.5/4k), then shows they are still tracking well, given the Sydney landscape!

Also - they haven't even taken the park yet - many would be pundits may be 'waiting and see' - it's during the season and second season Wanderers may start to see some more added on gains as good word of mouth spreads, friends bring friends, positive rep grows? Football fans in the West are no mugs - The Wanderers will have to prove themselves and that means playing some decent football and hosting a good, positive, occasion at every Parra game they host.

This is 'bottom up' growth stuff. Not insta-grow - that was always the plan with this one, slow and steady. Aslong as steady IS steady - something is happening, work is being done! Club may be small operation - club itself may expand as it naturally grows, they can only do so much with the handful of people they probably have at the moment?



Phoenix seem to be a mystery of the cosmos, don't they? I saw Herbert's 50% growth comment on TWG too, that week or two ago - I presume that may mean a figure around 3k - but that's purely from my rear! But presuming they had 1.5k before, that makes sense. Or even from 1k to 2k. I doubt their member base would be more than 4k, though you never know?! :o

I wonder how big their 'Yellow Fever' fan group is - they would contribute a fair chunk to that member base, you'd think?

Edited by gloryperth: 28/9/2012 04:15:56 AM

People are quick to forget that thanks to Archie Fraser's price hike a few years ago, about half our membership base up and left. We went from ~3k down to 1.5k and stayed there for a couple of years. Nobody should overlook what an excellent effort it's been to raise it from there to the level it is at.

Of course, now sustainable, long-term policies are in place on and off the pitch, that number can only grow.

10K crowds is the pass mark for WSW.
If Brisbane can have 3K members and average 15K, no reason Wanderers can average 10K with 2.5K members

Absolutely. Brisbane and both Sydney clubs will likely have similar member/crowd ratios (may be skewed temporarily for SFC with Del Piero, but going on past numbers), have similar lack of membership culture in those cities.

Hopefully bodes well for our crowds this season working off such a high membership base compared to the past.

Great thing for WSW too is Parra Stadium - only 20k-ish and I foresee a very similar scenario mirroring Melbourne Victory when they were at Olympic Park. Though ofcourse Victory's memberships were near filling Olympic Park on their own by time of the move to Telstra and then their own stadium. Obviously Wanderers may take quite a while to track that far if at all. But it's still achievable!

Especially with so many NSW rivalries - Mariners, Jets and SFC - that's 3 home games a season where the full house sign should be instantly up!

Not to be a downer though - but some will rightly argue some of these 'new members' Roar and SFC are signing up with their 'record numbers' are fans who are regulars anyway on regular tickets or what not. Clearly not ALL are - but I mean to say some are regulars anyway, just are buying memberships, getting into being a fully fledged member now, or even again?

Heck - that's still not a bad thing or what ever, all win-win, but I mean to say it's not exactly '+1' on the crowd average, but maybe a 'move across.'

But don't worry, I understand, the guaranteed income of the fan buying the membership etc definitely helps make a difference as too helps reflect better the club's fan base and level of success converting casuals into fans.

But flipside again - With the levels of growth at both clubs and the factors behind that, esp Roar with their success, you definitely get a sense many you are converting could be from all sorts of backgrounds including a few genuinely new fans who came on-board Ange era perhaps? And Sydney too - they were lax in the past, but have been working more on memberships the past few seasons, so their hard work pays off more now.

The difference is in thousands here and even in terms of significant % here - figures and terms like 25%, 40% growth and what not. It's not just a growth of a few hundred or even a k, it's significant. Still 'low base' does factor in a little though, especially with Roar.

Potential, capacity, take up only being exploited now. Once you get to a certain mark, probably that 9-10k mark, then you might see slower growth over the seasons as you enter the true 'needing to convert/new fans' market phase or what not that the 'Southern Clubs' have been in the last few seasons. So you guys certainly are playing 'catch up' in some ways.



Oh yeah - but that was Archie Fraser's doing?! Did not know that! I thought it was related to the cost of stadium rent at Suncorp and that didn't change till the FFA had to intervene and suddenly the Stadium agreement was re-negotiated? GCU had same problems at Skilled too.

I was only looking at a list of Roar attendances other day, thanks to this thread and indeed, once more reflects that notorious period - it can be so hard to win fans back once you've put them off like that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brisbane_Roar_FC_records_and_statistics#Home_attendances_by_season

Your team is STILL only JUST recovering from that disaster of a decision. Thankfully you had Ange's era of success and it's got your team on track. Bakries being owners too gives a stability and independence you struggled for during that era of financial struggles/Coffee Club leaving and owner uncertainty.

Just realised too - You had nearly a quarter of a million fans in total turn out last season. You are on track to meet and maybe even exceed that cumulative total this season. IF you guys meet the circ 18k crowd average of season 3 then you may draw even 30-40k more than last season!

What also, EVEN MORE impressive about last season was that your minimum crowd was your highest 'lowest attendance' second only to season two - 9,200 fans with Season two being 10k mark.

Season 2/3 is even more extra-ordinary when you compare to the Membership increase and other factors that drove down the overall average to below the crowd minimum of Season 2 even and that Season 5 8k-ish average was nearly a full 10k below the record 18.5k of Season 3, just two season before.

And with a member base higher than ever and growing, things sure should look promising for your team.

Edited by gloryperth: 28/9/2012 08:07:10 AM

Adelaide 2000 (August 10th)
Brisbane 5000 (September 20th)
Central Coast 3000 (September 26th)
Heart 4000 (September 12th)
Newcastle 9902 (September 28th)
Perth 5000 (August 10th)
Sydney 8000 (September 24th)
Victory 16800 (September 28th)
Wellington 3000 (September 28th)
West Sydney 2500 (September 27th)

Btw the Wellington number isn't accurate just basing it on someone saying last year when they bought tickets before the game and the PAX started at 2000 so 2000x1.5 = 3000 so it is a very rough estimate

i thought WSW were suppose to have thousands upon thousands ready to be signed up.. =d>

Edited by tribina: 28/9/2012 09:07:09 PM

They won't average 10k, probably crowds around the 7k mark i reckon.

Totally agree.
Will never forget the drivel and spin Fraser produced when he went on this site when he was questioned about the price hike.
He almost single handedly destroyed your club. It was yuck to see your club go from playing Sydney in season 2-3 getting 18-25,000 to 7,000 matches which was one of your biggest rivals.
Thank god you guys had some on field success. Those few who stuck around certaintly deserved it ;)
I think loyal Perth fans may be the next in line.

Edited by aussie pride: 29/9/2012 12:54:03 PM

Any news on what Adelaide's updated numbers are - It's been a while since their figure was updated. Strange if it remains so low - I thought Perth and Adelaide would be similar in terms of member numbers, maybe even AU slightly highly, given their A-L success, loyal following/good avg attendances and, like Glory, that history rooted in a time before the A-League, so that additional establishment. Though I think some AU people here DID say they're tracking for 4-5 and THAT would sound about right. Shame if numbers down for them though.

Also - Given how the Jets and Victory update us so well on their member numbers, I know the numbers for the rest aren't THAT much to crow about, but with new team Wanderers - their being FFA owned ftm - I'm kind of surprised we don't 'seem' to hear any updates from them, in this regard. But it could be partially because they're consumed elsewhere. I just remember the A-League4Canberra site too, they updated quite frequently whenever new foundation members were signed. It got kind of exciting seeing that list of 1k, then 2k build up. And given Wanderers are new, it could be quite exciting for them too?

Just a post on the official site, FB notice, tweet or something, c'mon? Aka 'We passed the 3k members mark, yipee!' or something. Same goes for the other clubs too tbh, except maybe Glory who have their particular circumstances this year and infact seek compensation from the State Govt. inpart, due to the natural cap of members the reduced stadium capacity induces.

Edited by gloryperth: 30/9/2012 05:21:14 AM

Would be embarrassing if the Canberra theoretical bid for the a-league pulled more foundation members than the concrete football heartland that is western Sydney....

The price hike was definitely an FFA decision. Basically our club was being financially screwed by Stadiums Queensland, so your right there, and the Roar asked for the FFA's help in renegotiating the deal, so yes that all happened, but as part of all of that the Roar asked the FFA for a financial loan to pay debts, which was granted but the FFA made that conditional of a major increase in ticket prices and membership prices to help recover the FFA's money more quickly.

Lasted only half a season, by the end of the season they were offering tickets for only $5 in the corners of the stadium to try and desperately get the fans back, but the damage was already done.

Your absolutely right in saying that right to this very day, we are still receiving from that fuck up by the FFA!

Well, the FFA didn't sign the original stadia deal with Suncorp, the FFA didn't choose Suncorp over a much cheaper Ballymore, you can't blame the FFA for your clubs own mistakes.

Edited by Joffa: 30/9/2012 11:42:00 AM

Thanks for that RL25 and that's harsh Joffa - I'm sure you have heard how bad Ballymore is, location, transport and facilities wise? It's the home of Rugby Union in Brisbane but apparently not even the Reds play there any more. Suncorp is the premium rectangle venue in the city, located right near the centre, with good public transport, surrounding entertainment and places to eat, lots of parking.

Aside from the Stadium's QLD deal RL25 described the only major problem 'seems' to be that the stadium is just 20k too overlarge. And I think/presume that's a fair chunk of the reason why Stadium QLD 'rip off' Roar and GCU because they are playing in these over large, premium venues. And Stadium's QLD are seeking the rent to make up for the tax payer's expense in building or upgrading these huge venues where RL/Rugby only occupies them half the year.

One can argue that a Brisbane based franchise has little choice but Suncorp as it's positives are hard to deny and there's hardly any more suitable venues, short term. IMHO though med-longer term Roar could get their own 'Victory-like' Boutique stadium, but then again, if they're drawing like Victory are, by then, and like 'they can do' then that = 20-25k crowd average, which is quite impressive, Suncorp at 50% capacity on average and we know Roar's biggest drawing games have exceeded 30k cap. So Roar could easily 'grow into' their stadium.

And since that ticketing debacle we've heard less or even 0 complaints from Roar and others about the tenancy agreement with Stadiums QLD. As suggested, seems the FFA did help them in re-negotiating the deal and I even recall the Roar CEO last season saying something along the lines of the average attendance needed to break even per game is a lower mark around 12k which is a few thousand less at the very least, than before. FFA also helped out GCU in this regard, but by then too little, too late and ofcourse GCU was screwed from get go thanks to Palmer's arrogant trouble making.

Yeah, my comments came across a lot harsher than intended, my bad.

Sigh...

I was just clearing something up for GloryPerth as to what the background of that decision was, I'm not blaming the FFA for the Roar's problems, I'm simply saying that that decision had disastrous consequences for the club and it WAS the FFA's decision.

The original management at the Roar made many mistakes, the stadium deal probably the biggest, and no doubt are the reason the club struggled so much financially, however they DID do an excellent job with crowds, averaging over 15k consistently, almost 17k in season 3 and the second best attended club for the first 3 seasons. The price hike just before season 4 undid all that good work and trashed the only good thing the club had going for it off the park, and yes that CAN be blamed on the FFA!!

As for Ballymore, please, don't make me laugh. It was NEVER an option, the Reds own the ground and they don't even play there! It's fucked mate, fucked facilities and zero public transport and zero parking!

Joffa, it's unusual for you to talk about shit you know nothing about, so don't start!

I totally agree, like I said I didn't mean for my comment to come across as harsh as it did, I also do agree Suncorp is the best option.