yeh, the suburb itself currently has a population around 2,000 but it is planned to grow to 60,000 with nearby suburbs also having large growth around it.

In the City of Cities planning document Liverpool was identified as the "capital" of South West Sydney with expectation that it develop into a centre that is a bit smaller than Parramatta.

Woodward Park was identified as a site for a stadium, however, the Oasis Project to develop it crashed amidst corruption allegations a decade or so ago. This was the stadium project that was initiated by the Bulldogs and it is politically tainted.

In August 2010 Liverpool City Council published a Stadium Options Paper that accepted the then government's identification of the southern end of the Western Parklands near Leppington as the site for a regional stadium for South West Sydney. The new government prepared a Stadia Strategy that identified the need for a Tier 2 stadium in Western Sydney. Liverpool City Council has been agitating for the stadium to be located in Liverpool and has put forward either the Woodward Park site or the Leppington site which is on its southern boundary.

Woodward Park has the advantage of being close to the "capital" of the region but involves moving conflicting sporting facilities and is not central to the region.

The Leppington site has the advantage of being near the geographical centre of the developed region, is a green fields site, would be located close by the proposed entertainment hub near Leppington station and as such will have public transport links to the entire city but it is a magnitude lower in size than Liverpool. Its worth noting that the South West Rail project to Leppington was due to open in 2016 but it is 12 months ahead of schedule so will come into service in 2 years time. As a result development in the 300k popuation South West Growth Centre will commence earlier than anticipated.

If no funding was available for a new stadium then Campbelltown stadium would suffice but it lacks an entertainment precinct.

Just out of interest this is what the centre of Leppington might look like.



http://www.gcc.nsw.gov.au/media/Pdf/Austral%20and%20Leppington%20North/Community%20info%20brochures/tc_brochure.pdf

Edited by gyfox: 8/11/2013 08:49:45 AM

Note for any future Wollongong team: avoid Sydney to Wollongong bike race, apparently very big and halved Wollongong Hawks attendance.

The government will upgrade sfs and anz stadium first so that there are 2 main stadiums in sydney (with a roof) and more of an entertainment precinct around the stadium.

After that is achieved (say 5 years), there might be more funds available for a sth west stadium perhaps. It would have to service rugby league teams as well etc and would have to be near public transport and an entertainment precinct.
Liverpool is the best option (Woodward park site) as it is not too far out and close to liverpool city, the freeway interchange and the train line.

THen you can build a south west sydney team if you have a stadium. Jersey: a shade of Green and black hoops like the 2009 Celtic away jersey.

9 sydney derbies a year :) 3 superclubs in sydney is enough to cater for everyone for the next 30 years.

It seems like it would be Blacktown, especially if we consider the growth area in NW Sydney is the area between Penrith and Richmond.
http://www.brownconsulting.com.au/sites/default/files/docs/Sydney%20Growth%20Profile%202013.pdf (check the 3rd page)

Only problem with Blacktown is there is no rectangular stadium and it does't seem too likely they will get one.



agree here, Liverpool seems like the obvious candidate for the SW as the centre of the region. And to my understanding it has a nice CBD similar to Parra which i think had a big impact on their success.

Also Liverpool looks like it might get its own stadium for the West Tigers and Bulldogs as RL want to lower its number of stadiums so if the FFA come along it might have a better chance of getting passed.

The Leppington site is only 9km from Liverpool station so its 5km less than to Pirtek Stadium. With most of the development in Liverpool being on the western side it is even closer than that. Fairfield is a bit closer to Pirtek but only by a few kilometres. Bankstown is a bit further away but its only a 25 minute drive from Bankstown station. There is research around showing that yield from a market begins to drop off at the 30 minute travel mark and the eastern half of Bankstown would fall into that category. As for the southern half of Bankstown there are a number of places that you can get onto the motorway so its a fairly fast trip out to The Crossroads and you are nearly there.

and if a south-west team was to be formed and based in leppington, dont expect people in fairfield/liverpool and further out towards bankstown/revesby to by driving in their droves down there.

just wondering, what is currently considered central in the north-west because looking at the cityrail network, the transport between rouse hill, blacktown and carlingford looks like a nightmare, but by road, they should be pretty good

Looking at the above two posts - makes sense but to accentuate the SE feel isn't Campbelltown a better option? And is parking really that bad out there?

A purpose-built site at Leppington would be good though.

Bonno, SU, Marconi and Macarthur all potential feeders.


Meanwhile, North West could be based on an expanded Blacktown City provided the right refurbs are made.

Campbelltown Stadium is at the south end of the region. The Leppington site is dead centre of the south west region as it will be when fully developed. Unfortunately once Pirtek is upgraded there is not likely to be any money for another stadium.

Edited by gyfox: 7/11/2013 11:57:02 PM

No parking and for a team to fully connect to the South West community one feels it must be based in Liverpool. It's a decent stadium though and the train station is literally right next to the stadium.

Dunno the area too well but what's wrong with the stadium Wests Tigers play at?

There is a site identified for major sporting infrastructure on the south side of Bringelly Rd about 2 kilometres east of the new Leppington Station that would be ideal for a 25k stadium. Not far from Cowpasture Rd. Not far from Campbelltown Rd. Not far from Camden Valley Way. Not far from the freeway and motorway. A few stations away from Badgery's Creek Airport if its built and direct link into Sydney and Sydney Airport.

bwe wouldnt be considered for the same reason as marconi and sydney utd. marcarthur rams would be considered, but a team out in campbelltown wouldnt be supported by anyone in liverpool. liverpool would be seen as central for those from up to fairfield, down south to campbelltown and out-west to wherever the south-west extension link goes to and may include those as far east as bankstown. a link with mounties would be good, but their team is called wanderers so that would be interesting.

There are 5 teams from south-west Sydney in the NPL2. Macarthur Rams came 2nd and Mounties came 3rd and a joint team from those would be quite a good option especially if either or both get promoted to NPL1. Then you have Bonnyrigg White Eagles who came 3rd in NPL1 that can also be a feeder club.

ive always felt that blacktown city demons would be a perfect club to have in the a-league if they were able to connect with the people of the north-west, given their suitable name, nickname, relative history and colour schemes.

south-west don't have a team equivalent that would be suitable.

Spot on. There is real future in South West and North West Sydney with Campbelltown and Blacktown as the home bases. Statistics don't lie.

Wanderers will have a massive catchment area to draw upon anyway with everything west of Homebush and right up to Penrith/Blue Mountains. A kind of "Central West".

I am talking a decade or two away.

As NSW continues to grow, down the track NSW teams could be:

Sydney FC (East/St George/Lower North Shore/Inner City)
Wanderers (Centre - Homebush to Blue Mountains)
SW Sydney (South West)
NW Sydney (North West)
CCM
Newcastle
Wollongong/South Coast

+ Canberra, which isn't that far away. Gee that's a whole bunch of close away games!

I still say more Qld teams is imperative.

I don't want to rip apart Wanderers fan base. What I want in about a decades time, after Wanderers has fully populated an upgraded Pirtek Stadium, is to capitalise on the population growth and the geographical and cultural difference between two separate regions in the biggest city in Australia. That city also happens to contain 40% of the registered players in the country. By capitalising on the growth of Sydney you also maximise the benefit of this critical mass of players. Are you aware that over the next 2 decades an additional population equivalent to the Gold Coast/Tweed will be dropped into South West Sydney? Are you aware that over those same 2 decades an additional population equivalent to Newcastle/Maitland will be dropped into North West Sydney? In all 1 million people will move into the region that have no affiliation with Wanderers. Wanderers can't hope to accommodate the potential fans (68k as measured by Repucom late last season) from the region as it exists now let alone in a market that is 50% bigger.

I still don't get why you want to rip apart the Wanderers fan base.

http://www.townsvillebulletin.com.au/sport/roncatos-northern-girls/story-fnjfzr2z-1226751593101

5 teams: (3 in Sydney - South west corridor, western corridor, sydney fc, a South Coast and North Coast side) North/North west (afl and union already cornered really..)

Depends if central coast can be sustainable (ongoing issues..) and the predicted (major) growth plans in south West Sydney continue..

-The league will be driven by the television deal, most people live in (west) Sydney...


Edited by yoshi2284: 7/11/2013 04:17:05 PM

Yep, fish where the fish are.

Or in the case of new teams in New Zealand, fush where the fush are, bro.

for long-term sustainability, if the a-league is to really compete against the other codes we would need a strong-hold in nsw and victoria,

I'm not sure why yoshi is even suggesting that 6 teams in a 12 team comp should come from the one state never mind all within 2 hours drive from Sydney.

In a 12 team comp, there should be the existing teams as well as two of Canberra, Tassie, Auckland, Vic (whether it's Sth Melb or a Geelong based team), Wooloongong, Central/Nth Qld (coastal based). That's enough viable options to look at a 16 team comp. That's also not even considering a second Perth side or the potential viability of a NT/second SA side. And thats ALL before even considering a 6th NSW team.

I think a lot of people on here think that the South Coast/Wollongong is close to or a part of Sydney. They don't realise that it's 1 and a half hours away and that there is a clear distinction from what is the Shire and what is the South Coast.

I'm not sure why you are including the Central Coast and the South Coast as part of the Sydney market. Looking at Sydney on its own there is a population of 4.3m with 1.3m growth anticipated over the next 2 and a bit decades. The population of western Sydney alone will grow by 1m bringing it to 3m. It would be madness not to consider a 2nd western Sydney team in the medium term. South Western Sydney will boom from 2016 when the South West Railway opens and it will reach a population of just under 1.4m from 0.8m now over the following 2 decades.

If WSW were Based in Blacktown then yeah in Liverpool SWS would work but there not they are in the center of Sydney and highly unlikely to move from there.

Sydney FC (Sydney)
Wanderers (Parramatta)
Mariners (Gosford, Central Coast)
SC Wolves(Wollongong, Illawarra)
4 teams for 5.5-6 million people with a 5th team would make WSW need move to Penrith or somewhere like that(because they are WS), and have a new team in central/southern sydney(WIN,kogarah/ Campbelltown stadium/ New ground in Liverpool/ Sharks stadium. But that all would be madness!

Maybe the area, is already wanderers heartland as you say.. :)

South West Sydney is a major growth area.

New airport will be built, new railway already being built, there will be demand for a new stadium in liverpool or surrounds to service the area, (to give the south west a presence), so perhaps long term strategically, a team could be based there if it can forge its own identity.

Just depends on the government's growth plans, where will people be living...
and I'd say south west sydney is an area where soccer has a greater presence then north west sydney corridor (which is being cornered by the afl)

I suppose if you absolutely, positively must have a separate home ground, a Fremantle club could either play at Subiaco in a similar configuration to when Glory played a couple games there last season (the need for no afternoon/daytime games would be even higher) or else ... hestitate to suggest it but potentially one of either Fremantle or East Fremantle ovals might accept upgrades to run like the original set up with Perth Glory and Perth Oval?