AFL teams ground share and rarely own them, so the crowd averages aren't that impressive on a world scale.

Edited by ozboy: 17/1/2013 09:23:57 AM

How can who holds the title to a piece of land in any way be relevant to whether an attendance figure is big or not.

When 199,000 turned up to the 1950 decider between Brazil and Uruguay, do we sit back and ponder who owns the ground? Or do we say to ourselves: man, that's a big number.

I would have thought of more relevance is Australia's smaller, spread out population.

300+ million?

Wow, that's almost, like, a gazillion people.

It allows for bigger crowds. I would have thought that is bleedingly obvious.
Would be interested in the crowd averages for the days when teams played on their own grounds (eg: Windy Hill, Arden St, Victoria Park, Punt Rd, etc)

Big numbers that are hard to fathom when you only watch a small time league.

Would be interested in the crowd averages for the days when teams played on their own grounds (eg: Windy Hill, Arden St, Victoria Park, Punt Rd, etc)

Firstly Graham Cornes is a well known effwit. Nobody including Aussie Rules fans and even his two sons lol like him. He just says things to gain attention and a reaction. It why he works for 5AA. He comes from an era where cars with Victorian number plates would be vandalised if parked at AAMI Stadium and "kick-a-vic" was the South Australian slogan. Cornes has a massive chip on his shoulder - not just towards Soccer but towards anything he considers non-SA. When he was Adelaide's (Crows) coach they sacked all non-SA-based staff even if they were originally from SA. Paranoia plus!

Secondly, fans of every code have trashed the other codes for over a century. Fans of all codes try to justify their abuse by claiming victim status and that they are only retaliating for past wrongs. As we know Soccer-haters called the game wogball and a game for "pooftas" and sheilas; Aussie Rules-haters called that game aerial ping-pong and also a game for "pooftas" or in modern times "gayfl"; Rugby League-haters called RL players "bumsniffers". Hello homophobia!

Football by nature is tribal but also a lot of this crap has to do with Melbourne-Sydney rivalry. For every Mike Sheahan, Neil Mitchell, Gerard Healy, etc. down south there's a Craig Foster, Roy Masters and Phil Rothfield (sp?) up north. Add Rebecca Wilson who is the NRL/NSW version of Cornes - she comments while proving she knows nothing about Soccer or Aussie Rules and deep down hates both as they are a threat to her beloved RL in its heartland.

I could find just as many anti-AFL articles in the Sydney media as anti-Soccer ones in the Melbourne media. The invasion of 4 goalposts taking over Batesman Bay and heading for Sydney so parents should lock up your kids is my favourite :lol: . The media trolling is so obvious now that News Ltd even made-up the same story for each city but with the sports in reversed attacker/victim roles. In the Herald-Sun it had 'evil' Soccer kicking poor little Aussie Rules kids off a Moonee Ponds ground; In the Daily Telegraph it was 'evil' AFL desecrating the ground where the first Rugby League game was played and kicking poor little Soccer kids off their pitch. It was all twisted BS! When you looked at the actual Moonee Ponds figures both sports in the area have increased in participation by 60k in the past decade. So instead of writing a story about successful coexistence and a win-win for both sports with local kids staying active and healthy, the media went for the "footy wars" crap to try and create a inflammatory headline :roll:.

As for internet trolls, every forum gets them. A poster here was banned from bigfooty for his anti-AFL trolling. At the end of the day it's up to the mods of a forum to decide if a poster adds to it or is just baiting others.

You do not throw $200M and enormous resources at a region just to introduce a game. I doubt it's ever been done anywhere else in the world. $200M is $40M more than we got for our new television deal for the next four years.

They are numbers only fathomable to those incapable of fathoming them.

Secondly, fans of every code have trashed the other codes for over a century. Fans of all codes try to justify their abuse by claiming victim status and that they are only retaliating for past wrongs. As we know Soccer-haters called the game wogball and a game for "pooftas" and sheilas; Aussie Rules-haters called that game aerial ping-pong and also a game for "pooftas" or in modern times "gayfl"; Rugby League-haters called RL players "bumsniffers". Hello homophobia!.

No, it's not bleeding obvious.

A big club can choose to build a big stadium (as happens with the biggest soccer clubs in the world), or it can take out a long-term lease on a council owned ground (big or small).

Who holds the title on the land has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the actual attendance.

I saw GWS training out the front of the SCG yesterday afternoon. How would Wanderers fans feel if their club was doing the same? Seems ridiculous...

What do you think the EPL crowd averages would be if Arsenal/Chelsea/Tottenham ground shared? ManU/Man City? Everton/Liverpool?
I reckon the average would be close to 100K, because they would be grounds with seating for 120K+

What do you think the EPL crowd averages would be if Arsenal/Chelsea/Tottenham ground shared? ManU/Man City? Everton/Liverpool?
I reckon the average would be close to 100K, because they would be grounds with seating for 120K+

The Giants are now up to 7,121 members for the 2013 season, only around 3,100 short of their 2012 tally:

http://membership.gwsgiants.com.au/

Let us wish the Giants all the best.

I'm sure there is plenty of support in Western Sydney for both the Wanderers and the Giants and that both can have a prosperous future.

The Giants are now up to 7,121 members for the 2013 season, only around 3,100 short of their 2012 tally:

http://membership.gwsgiants.com.au/

Let us wish the Giants all the best.

I'm sure there is plenty of support in Western Sydney for both the Wanderers and the Giants and that both can have a prosperous future.

Also, on page 74 there is a description of what the AFL counts in its participation numbers: anyone who plays in a structured competition of more than 6 weeks duration.

So that could be school sport on a Friday afternoon?

Structured school football is counted.

But occasional visits by Auskick are NOT counted - they make up a different category of statistics, shool visits, etc.

Wowzers. Is there any definition of "structured school AFL"? Is there fees and what have you for students to play?

and does the governing body have any governance over these "competitions"?

This site summarises the annual reports for each individual club for 2012:

http://footybusiness.wordpress.com/governance/annual-reports-2/2012-club-annual-reports/

and includes revenue from memberships:

Collingwood $16.2 mill (71k members) - average of around $228 per member
Essendon $9.4 mill (48k members) - average of around $196 per member
Hawthorn $9 mill (61k members, including 8k Tassie 4 game members) - average of around $148 per member
Carlton $9 mill (46k members) - average of around $196 per member

Where's GWS?

Guangzhou vs FC Tokyo rated 59 million viewers with 13 million in China.

However most Aussies couldn't careless about the ACL just as Asia couldn't careless about Collingwood/AFL. So the cultural cringe argument doesn't work.

ps. Geez Eddie has done a good job putting his club of feral toothless muppets into the minds of Sydneysiders going by this thread. Who gives a shizen about Collingwood ](*,) and WTF has it got to do with Western Sydney :-k .

It's not that Eddie guy, but more credit has to go to Mister Football - world class trolling