Why are you so scared of gay people then?

no, but that you joke about such things speaks volumes of the severity of your mental illness

:lol:

Your cousin touched you when you were younger didn't he.

agree with zimbos about human rights aspect. its not looking good in gaza.

unfortunately most here seem to think human rights means homos being allowed to teach their sex acts to children in schools. see Q&A etc
thats how sad our society has become. no perspective.

The difference is the Liberal party haven't ordered a terrorist attack in the last 15 years, nor does it have a charter quoting the killing of Jews, democracy doesn't end at the ballot box. Hamas wanna condemn the killing of a terrorist (Osama bin laden) then they can get treated like a terrorist, yes they're the democratically elected, do I like them? no, do I support them? no? do I consider them democratic? no.

No one is arguing that Israel is a saint, I've already said taking away the history of the conflict, the current illegal settlements are completely provocative. I'm sorry but for many this is definitely about religion, and even your post indicates it's about religion, not all Palestinians are Muslims btw 10% are Christian. For many of thePalestinians this is not about religion, for the many commentating that's all it's about.

If it is about humanity, it goes to BOTH sides.



Edited by iridium1010: 23/7/2014 11:57:08 PM

This is not about a Jew vs Muslim thing anymore, it is now a case of human rights, humanity, civil liberty, and justice.

Can we just rename this thread to Polemides thread of Christian Oppression by Muslims?

-PB

And you can bet if the muslims are successful in driving out the Jews, and creating their own state, it won't be long before they turn on their "Palestinian Christian brothers" and give them the 3 options that are continuously presented to Christians in the muslim world -

1. Convert
2. Pay tax and live as 3rd class citizen (given this option if they are lucky)
3. Die

Gaza Christians long for days before Hamas cancelled Christmas

When the Latin patriarch came to Gaza's Holy Family church to celebrate Christmas mass last week, he instructed a full house of Catholic and Orthodox families to pray for reconciliation. As the archbishop, Fouad Twal, stood at the lectern in Gaza City, Fatah and Hamas leaders were meeting in Cairo attempting to mend differences that have divided the Palestinian factions for four years and rendered Gaza a besieged Islamist enclave.

Of the 1.5 million Palestinians now living in the Gaza Strip, fewer than 1,400 are Christian and those who can are leaving. The church hopes reconciliation will bring them back.

There hasn't been a Christmas tree in Gaza City's main square since Hamas pushed the Palestinian Authority out of Gaza in 2007 and Christmas is no longer a public holiday.

Imad Jelda is an Orthodox Christian who runs a youth training centre in Gaza City. With unemployment hovering at 23%, he has seen young Christian men leave to study and work abroad in their droves. "People here do not celebrate Christmas anymore because they are nervous," Jelda said. "The youth in particular have a fear inside themselves."

Karam Qubrsi, 23, and his younger brother Peter, 21, are the eldest sons in one of Gaza's 55 remaining Catholic families. Both wear prominent wooden crucifixes. "Jesus tells me, 'if you can't carry my cross, you don't belong to me,'" Peter explained. It's a demonstration of faith that has caused him some trouble.

He describes being stopped in the street by a Hamas official who told him to remove the cross. "I told him it's not his business and that I wouldn't," Peter said. After being threatened with arrest he was eventually let go, but the incident scared him.

The brightly decorated tree in the Qubrsis' living room sits at odds with the sombre mood. Their sisters Rani, 29, and Mai, 27, left Gaza in 2007 when the 30-year-old manager of Gaza's Bible Society bookstore, where their husbands worked, was shot dead, having been accused by radical elements of proselytising. They now live in Bethlehem.

Their parents are currently in Israel where their mother is receiving treatment for pancreatic cancer. Israel applies strict restrictions to Palestinians hoping to leave the Gaza Strip, meaning the brothers are unable to join them. A quota of 500 applicants will be given permission to enter the West Bank this Christmas but only people younger than 16 and older than 35 will be considered.

"Christmas for us means going to Bethlehem, being with family. This year we'll do nothing," Karam said.

The Qubrsi brothers hold out little hope for Gaza. They agree that life would be better for the Christians here if the Palestinian Authority were to return but they doubt any factional peace would last.

"Many people want the Palestinian Authority to come back just so they can take their revenge," Peter said.

"This is not a Christian environment. There are no good universities, there is no opportunity to work, no apartments to rent and so no way we can get married. We have no future here."

Palestinians are Muslims btw 10% are Christian

@Iridium & @tbitm

We dont like who is elected sometimes, but we dont see countries coming in to Aus, refusing to accept whoever it is we elected and instead treating Abbott as a terrorist.

It cant be a, 'if the show fits' principle.

The issue is that Palestine have been under this siege for decades, and there is no justification for it. Take Hamas out of the picture, and it is still wrong. Israel has gotten away with this for far too long. Obama literally spat in the face of muslims, kicked them in the privates, and rubbed his shit all over their face after, at his recent Iftaar dinner at the white house. Proclaiming how Israel is ok to do what they doing, and then having the Israeli ambassador speak at the dinner.

This is not about a Jew vs Muslim thing anymore, it is now a case of human rights, humanity, civil liberty, and justice.

Well then, Israel are also militants according to your logic.

That pisses me off. Saying you dont care less if someone is democratically elected. What gives us the right to tell another country who they can and cant elect to their government. The western world goes on about the freedom and democracy it enjoys because of the ballot, but when other countries do it, then it is no good. They did the same with Egypt, and Morsi.

Of course they have a right to elect who they want, but who they have chosen are not beneficial to their people. This has nothing to do with Palestine, more to do with democracy as a concept. By it's very nature the people that get elected are the ones that excite the population. Vowing to kill your oppressors will get you elected in Palestine, and I see why many there would get excited on that message. But when you literally have a -150% chance of ever winning the war, will spend all your money on shitty rockets that will cause very few, if any casualties on the other side and a consequence of even trying to will lead to retaliation and hundreds killed on your side. I'm sorry if this offends you zimbos but for their sake they should elect new leaders. Perhaps ones that are more focused on national security so Israel don't continue expanding into Gaza.

All democracy is about freedom and sometimes you don't like who is elected. I don't like Obama, Abbott, I didn't like Morsi, Netanyahu and I don't like Hamas. If I had my way all would be gone so quit playing the victim card on that one please.


This is not about Hamas. This is about the extermination of a nation. Hamas was not around in 1947, or 1962, or 1985. Israel are using Hamas as an excuse for their constant killing of innocents. Their taking of land and building of illegal settlements. There are some absolutely terrible pictures on the recent killings in Gaza. This is not longer a matter of politics. This is a matter of human rights.

You go a bit far saying it's about the extermination of a nation but most the rest of your post is accurate. Israel constantly blame Hamas for everything (some of it justified, some not), Israel have taken a lot of land and the pictures coming out of Gaza make me sick.

And it's for those reasons your laid out that give Hamas power under the message 'look at these people that took our land and killed our children. Elect us and we will protect you.' It's a common message right wing governments use to get elected during times of war. Israel are doing it now too and look at the US during 2002 and 2004 elections where that was the republican message they ran on. It's human nature, just like how nationalist parties get elected during times of poverty under the banner of 'look at all these immigrants taking your jobs, elect us and we will kick them out/kill them'. Countless examples of this. My point is humans are pretty predictable.

But it's frustrating that the right wing government of Israel is dumb enough to fall for this trap Hamas set which then just restarts this viscous cycle that's only been going on for 70 years so. I don't think their government is serving them very well either in this conflict. Well except for the creation of iron dome, work on perfecting that and there would be no reason for them to retaliate. I'm sure that would spit in the eye of Hamas knowing that no matter how hard they try their pathetic attempts at killing innocent Jews is futile.

The world is messed up when people can sit there, and say that the killings of innocents is justified. We have truly failed as humanity.

Well then, Israel are also militants according to your logic.

That pisses me off. Saying you dont care less if someone is democratically elected. What gives us the right to tell another country who they can and cant elect to their government. The western world goes on about the freedom and democracy it enjoys because of the ballot, but when other countries do it, then it is no good. They did the same with Egypt, and Morsi.

This is not about Hamas. This is about the extermination of a nation. Hamas was not around in 1947, or 1962, or 1985. Israel are using Hamas as an excuse for their constant killing of innocents. Their taking of land and building of illegal settlements. There are some absolutely terrible pictures on the recent killings in Gaza. This is not longer a matter of politics. This is a matter of human rights.

The world is messed up when people can sit there, and say that the killings of innocents is justified. We have truly failed as humanity.

First off, let me say I don't particular like you
But it's strange how much attention the Palestinian cause gets(particularly Muslims), yet people are silent on what Arabs do and continue to do against Assyrians in their native homeland. The Assyrians need independence, or semi autonomy or they're going to be extinct from Iraq.

Dead set out of the stone age

Finally found your post.

Militants just means someone engaging in acts of war, since Gaza doesn't have a standing army, I think the word fits, also I really could care less if Hamas are democratically elected, democracy to me, is more than the ballot box.

A quick look on google earth or even google images shows there are many open areas for Hamas to launch its rockets. Hamas telling Palestinians to stay put when Israel tells them to leave show exactly what Hamas want, and that's from Palestinians themselves. The sad part of this conflict is it becomes just one huge P/R war.

The media i've been watching has been pretty unbiased.

A well-known Israeli politician and parliament member has branded Palestinians as terrorists, saying mothers of all Palestinians should also be killed during the ongoing Israeli assault on the besieged Gaza Strip.

Ayelet Shaked of the ultra-nationalist Jewish Home party called for the slaughter of Palestinian mothers who give birth to “little snakes.”

They have to die and their houses should be demolished so that they cannot bear any more terrorists,” Shaked said.

She added, “They are all our enemies and their blood should be on our hands. This also applies to the mothers of the dead terrorists.”

The remarks are considered as a call for genocide as she declared that all Palestinians are Israel’s enemies and must be killed.

On Monday Shaked quoted this on her Facebook page:

Behind every terrorist stand dozens of men and women, without whom he could not engage in terrorism. They are all enemy combatants, and their blood shall be on all their heads. Now this also includes the mothers of the martyrs, who send them to hell with flowers and kisses. They should follow their sons, nothing would be more just. They should go, as should the physical homes in which they raised the snakes. Otherwise, more little snakes will be raised there.

The development comes as many officials from various countries have slammed Israel’s airstrikes on the Gaza Strip. The Turkish prime minister is the latest to condemn the offensive, accusing Israel of massacring the Palestinians.

Recep Tayyip Erdogan has lashed out at Israel, saying it is committing state terrorism against the Palestinians in the region. Speaking in parliament, he also questioned the world’s silence toward Tel Aviv’s ongoing atrocities.

Reacting to Shaked’s remarks, the Turkish premier said Israel’s policy in Gaza is no different than Hitler’s mentality.

“An Israeli woman said Palestinian mothers should be killed, too. And she’s a member of the Israeli parliament. What is the difference between this mentality and Hitler’s?” Erdogan asked.

The developments come as the UN agency for Palestinian refugees has recently said women and children make up a sizeable number of Palestinian fatalities caused by Israeli attacks on the besieged region.

First off, let me say I don't particular like you:)

But it's strange how much attention the Palestinian cause gets(particularly Muslims), yet people are silent on what Arabs do and continue to do against Assyrians in their native homeland. The Assyrians need independence, or semi autonomy or they're going to be extinct from Iraq.

Islamic State stones women to death in Raqqah

The Islamic State's Raqqah Division released photographs of the stoning of a woman in the city of al-Tabaqa. The photographs were published on the jihadist group's Twitter page.

According to the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, the Islamic State "applied the first 'stoning to death' judgement on a woman in al-Tabaqa city in the charge of adultery last night in the public souq of Tabaqa, she was stoned to death."

The statement accompanying the photographs reads: "Carrying out the punishment of stoning on a chaste [Arabic: muhsina, in Islamic law this word can mean 'married'] woman, a group of believers attended the stoning #Islamic_State," according to a translation by Oren Adaki.

The photographs are reproduced below. First, an Islamic State official, likely from its sharia court, is shown reading a judgment. Then, a large crowd that witnesses and participates in the stoning is shown. It appears there are more than 100 people in attendance. The last photograph shows a man with a stone in his hand, preparing to throw it. The Islamic State did not show photographs of the woman as she was being stoned to death.

According to the SOHR, the Islamic State conducted a second stoning in the city of Raqqah. The stoning of the second woman was carried out "in a square near the Municipal Stadium, where the IS fighters threw her by stones to death after bringing a pickup full of stones because people refused to participate of stoning."

Photographs from the first stoning:

The thing i come back to is that Hamas are not militants. THEY ARE THE DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED GOVERNMENT OF PALESTINE. Not Mahmoud Abbas.

Have you seen how populated Gaza is? Where exactly must Hamas go? They are trying to defend their state and their people. They do not use humans as shields, but they do not have anywhere else to go in Gaza.

Im sorry, but Western Media is controlled by supporters of Israel, not supporters of Hamas of Palestine. If you seriously think that it is the latter, then that is extremely laughable.

What irks me, and its evident in recent celebrity posts. A certain celebrity posts on twitter or facebook or instagram, #prayforgaza or #freepalestine, and suddenly people are posting, "how offensive", "take that back", "do you know what you are saying, i am no longer a fan of yours, so disrespectful". So as long as you hate Palestine, and support Israel its fine, but show one bit of compassion for Palestine, and you deserve to be hung. Israel, and Jews are going to keep living of the Nazis, and what the Nazis did till the end of time it seems. People get angry, and upset of anti-semitism more than if other cultures or religions get offended. Make a movie about the Prophet PBUH, and its called freedom of speech. Post to your followers to pray for freedom, and it is considered offensive.

Just for the record ricey, i don't support gay rights. I do not have anything against peoples choice to be gay, but i am a non active supporter of anti gay rights movment.

Israel bombing hospitals now.

-PB

After 2,000 Years, the Last Christian is Forced to Leave Mosul

21 July 2014

ERBIL, Iraq - The last Christian reportedly left Iraq's second largest city of Mosul at 12:00pm on Saturday, ending over 6,000 years of Assyrian history in the city. Assyrians have lived in Mosul for over 6,000 years, converting to Christianity over 2,000 years ago. This all came to an end on Saturday, when the last Assyrian Christian left the city.

On Thursday, July 17th, the Islamic State (IS)-- formerly the Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham (ISIS)-- released a statement demanding the Christians in Mosul either to convert to Islam, paying the jizya (tax on non-Muslims), leave the city, or be killed. The threat was to be implemented on Saturday. It is being reported locally that by noon yesterday, every Christian had chosen to leave.

Here in Erbil, about an hour an half away from Mosul by car, I have spoken with families who were forced to flee. They describe how ISIS invaded their homes, taking whatever they wanted, and threatening to kill them. The estimates are that over 500,000 refugees have fled Mosul after Islamists took control on June 10th, and the few remaining Christians left yesterday.

One group of Christians I spoke with said that when ISIS first invaded Iraq, they portrayed themselves as armed humanitarians but then they quickly undercut that message by implementing strict Sharia law, such as making women wear the full burqa and banning all western clothing. Those Muslims who stayed behind are being forced to comply with the new puritanical laws and now they, too, are trying to leave the city.

One resident of Mosul I spoke with said, "It is like the Taliban in Afghanistan before the U.S. invasion." There, Al Qaeda created the safe-haven from which they launched the 2001 attacks of 9/11 against the United States.

Some Iraqi Christians had called on the international community to help create a protected zone in Ninevah Province so as to provide protection for all minorities around the city of Mosul and to provide protection from future attacks by IS. While the proposal for a new Ninevah Province has been submitted to the Iraqi Parliament, it was not finalized. Because of the inaction both inside Iraq and the failure of the international community to heed the threats against Christians, the majority of the refugees who have just fled Mosul remain in danger of being attacked once more by IS as it continues its jihadi blitzkrieg across Iraq and Syria.

Several people I have spoken to in Iraq reported that members of IS speak foreign languages and are not from Iraq only. One person said an IS member was speaking an Afghan language and wearing Afghani clothing. Another person said they heard dialects from Pakistan, Libya, and even English.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2014/07/20/After-2-000-Years-the-Last-Christian-is-Forced-to-Leave-Mosul