Afro - what am I out of touch with? Real people? Running a business? The corporate world? Paying taxes?

I know this much - for a good economy you need to reward people to take on the risk of running a business. Because after the bar you work goes under you'll lose your job but will get another. The guy who owns it loses the lot.

Get out from behind your laptop and start a business son. And then see if you still live in socialist la la land. And when you start employing people I will say thank you for helping Australia.

Don't be daft, thupercoach is waaaaaaaaaaaayyy too out of touch to experience such things.

Flawed logic is flawed.

Can't comment on afro or AJohn's motivations, but having grown up in one of the areas most affected by Thatcher's reign and policies, I can't help but appreciate their comments.

You can laud her concepts and ideals as much as you like, but you didn't experience the negative side-effects they caused, and didn't see (daily) her ambivalence to those affected by them.

Bureaucracy and corporatism are massive disincentive to entrepreneurship

High taxation and bureaucracy are a massive disincentive.

Handouts are not incentive in themselves...

And they need less of the disincentive that leads them to sit on their arses...most my family are on welfare, they go from unemployed to long term to disability/unemployable...ridiculous...such an entitlement society. It gets worse when they get rewards for breeding ffs :lol:

I took a bit of austudy coin back in the day, works ok if there is incentive in the system. I used to think work for dole was barbaric in my lefty days but geez its really absurd to not have some sort of obligation attached.


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If money isn't incentive to earn, I don't know what is.

Give individuals incentive to earn and most of the rest will take care of itself. Government just needs to learn to get out of the way.

Exactly lol elitist :D

Gets thrown around by both 'sides' ...

I prefer liberty and a little more self determination...that way folks are free to pursue their own version of 'elitism' ...or is this too individualist for the left to handle these days?

They could use a nice dose of Objectivism. Leonard Peikoff's Ominous Parallels is a great read on the philosophical divide between collectivists and individualism...

Right wing politically, left wing socially.

Not EVERY Labor government - Hawke's is the second best I've lived under. And Fraser's comes a close third worst after this one and Keating's.

Elitist? Lol, what does that even mean? It's just a term people use to politically insult each other. What's the opposite of elitism? Egalitarianism? I'm all for that.

Don't go over all James Dean mate, you look like a rebel without a clue.

You're a right-wing elitist, EVERY left-wing government is "the worst government you've lived under" :roll:

He's going to have a helluva job on his hands to fix the mess. Like Howard and Costello fixed Keating's crap and left the country in surplus after inheriting a massive deficit.

This is seriously the worst Australian government I've lived under. And Keating and Fraser take some beating.

Time to ditch the witch indeed. Septemeber can't come soon enough.

You do that. I'm sure it will be some consolation when Abbott runs this country even further into the ground.

I'll be singing that in September. Please don't get offended.

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Pity it didn't make it to number 1.

Gee you boys are covering yourselves in glory.

Was thinking the same thing.

Somewhat disappointed the 21 gun salute wasn't aimed at the coffin.

If I may channel the ghost of Margaret Thatcher, or what I think Margaret Thatcher will say to you

'What a weak little squibble of a boy, trying to rile me from behind a keyboard'

'Now, stop whinging and get on with it'

Has 'Ding Dong The Witch Is Dead' hit number 1 on the UK charts yet?

I'm getting the feeling you don't like Margaret Thatcher...

Hopefully a riot breaks out, spills out the witch and the people burn the corpse. (Y)

Public funeral on tv right now

Pictures courtesy of the bbc*

* bbc to soon divorce the abc after selling rights to all content in australia to foxtel

Hmmm limited by the class warfare rhetoric and a misunderstanding of the free market principles that admitedly Thatcher was not comprehensive enough in implementing. Im no Thatcher fan on balance, though i respect some things she did.

All in all ...the passing of people like this is a good time to reflect on the issues around her life...especially the nature of free markets vs socialism on a philosophical level...does more for me than celebratory sentiment over a person whose time had passed anyway.

I couldn't agree less. Don't buy into the class warfare shit.

Lets have a party.

I assure you it's very 'mindful' hate. ;)

Intellectual thought does get in the way of mindless hate, yes ;)

This thread appears to have been hijacked by intellectual political debate... The important thing, the thing that we must not forget, is that MARGARET THATCHER IS STILL DEAD.

Honestly, Thatcher dies, I have my best week at work for years, then Sunderland beat the Mags 3-0 at the Landfill... Best. Week. Ever.

Might have been Aristotle, doesnt sound like Plato :-k
(apparently that was a big fork in the road for philosophy...Ayn Rand is Aristotle, Nietzche is Plato... if u get my drift)

Thats kind of the idea for some behind the spectrum of libertarian thought...

From Classical Liberalism (done) ...to....Minarchist government (waiting for this)....to....Anarcho Capitalism (future ideal, utopian)

Though id be happy with just Minarchist, govt for basic services and nothin else, radically lower flat tax, personal liberties

Totally agree on the two party dictatorship...its a bit of a trap to fool people into thinking their way of thinking will eventually win and they can impose their views on the rest. Its what Hans Hermann Hoppe calls Majoritarianism, in his book 'Democracy: the god that failed'. The better solution is to allow folks to govern themselves and increase a sense of self determination.


Edited by blacka: 17/4/2013 11:06:36 AM