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one_toouch wrote:sydneyfc1987 wrote:one_toouch wrote:sydneyfc1987 wrote:one_toouch wrote:Does this mean we will never see the Azzuri play here due to SFC's "official protest at clashing colours"?
Gawd :lol: :roll: Did you come up with that one all by yourself? Aren't you a clever little Sydtard. Yep, the retarded team you support are the ones that seem to think that they invented and own the colour of sky blue, which I'm sure fits in perfectly with your own little myopic view of the football world :) I'm guessing that Uruguay should be expecting an angry letter soon? My myopic view of the football world? You don't even know what colour Italy's jersey is.At least Uruguay are sky blue. Really?? "Italians especially sportsmen are called the Azzurris because the colours of the light blue uniform they wear during sports. This colour is associated to the official colour of the Savoia family who were Italy's Monarch up to 1946." http://www.ask.com/question/why-the-italian-are-called-azzurriDo you really want to continue to argue over the "shade" of light blue? I know your club is clutching at straws, but do you want to continue being a light blue lemming? Must be indicative of Italys Arab heritage, as azure is an Arab word. The colour of Azurite is like Italys jersey but not sky blue.
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jlm8695 wrote:Melbourne Heart set to adopt sky blue home strip but will retain red and white colours in some formQuote:MELBOURNE Heart’s foundation colours will remain integral to the club’s identity, although the club looks set to adopt the sky blue home strip next season.
The red and white will be retained in some form, possibly in an away strip and/or the new logo, under the new owner’s plans which have been submitted to FFA.
The City Football Group’s vision is to create a consistency in both branding and name across its clubs, although the proposed changes have been met with backlash from Sydney FC.
But the proposals are likely to the green light from the governing body, which owns the trademarks for the 10 A-League clubs.
Hence Melbourne City, as they will be called next season, will almost certainly have a strong dose of light blue in its logo.
Heart’s fan representative group met with club officials on Monday prior to the club’s presentation night at Crown Palladium to discuss its plans.
Chief executive Scott Munn and City board member Simon Pearce acknowledged that the fan’s message about retaining the colours.
The key announcements won’t be made until after the A-League grand final on May 4.
But they are hoping to get proposals ratified by FFA by the end of the month to commence making merchandise for the 2014-15 season.
Heart issued a statement last night, but remained tight-lipped.
”The Club doesn’t comment on media speculation. All decisions about the future of the Club will be based on respect for the traditions and ambitions of our existing fan base, as well as the opportunities provided by our new ownership,’’ the statement said.
City Group officials met Sydney FC chairman Scott Barlow several weeks ago to outline their plans, and an official complaint to FFA ensued.
“FFA has received a submission from the new ownership group of Melbourne Heart relating to name, colours and logo for next season,” said an FFA spokesperson.
“FFA will work through the details and the IP issues with the club. In the near term a decision will be taken.
“Sydney FC has made a submission on this issue and as a courtesy that will be taken into consideration.” http://www.foxsports.com.au/football/a-league/melbourne-heart-set-to-adopt-sky-blue-home-strip-but-will-retain-red-and-white-colours-in-some-form/story-e6frf4gl-1226885736494?sv=4d1765807065c0b861932c662e148ec5Edited by jlm8695: 15/4/2014 11:46:01 PM Hmm well I guess that isn't too bad/Could be worse? :-k So SFC wear their alternate strip away to Melbourne City and Melb City wear their alternate, hopefully existing, strip for some of their away games including their visit to SFC? That seems appropriate. Hopefully the red and white is retained some form. A shame their logo goes - it always had a nice styling to it, but ah well? The name change is fine and even overdue in a way, in terms of - A number of people argued with the second Melbourne team expansion, that the second team could be the 'City' team, so a Melbourne City team, with Melbourne 'Vic'tory being the 'kind of' 'Victorian team - much like the Roma & Lazio dynamic in Rome? Now finally, that may happen, in a round-about way? :-k That kind of helps solve or more 'enhances' the identity dilemma and returns to an idea proposed by a number of people back during the bid process? And, 'I suppose' - incidentally - taking on the 'Sky blue' kind of taps into the successful 'Big Blue' rivalry in a way too - in the sense that Old Heart/New City adopting Sky Blue only enhances the 'divide'/rivalry - making then an even bigger foe for Victory with their combining the colours of their two biggest rivals, Heart and SFC?! :o Watch out Victory fans - the 'Sky Blue plague' is spreading south! :lol: Edited by GloryPerth: 16/4/2014 12:34:31 AM
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I have to concede. Sounds like they're doing the right thing by the fanbase. I've been onboard the #KeepTheRedAndWhite campaign but honestly I'd be lying if I said I'd stop following them if they went sky blue. I'm already too attached. All I want is for the new owners to do is treat the fanbase with respect.
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GloryPerth wrote:
much like the Roma & Lazio dynamic in Rome?
Edited by GloryPerth: 16/4/2014 12:34:31 AM
I thought that was all just about who could act like the biggest Nazi's on the day.
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stefcep
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sobkowski wrote:Swarth wrote:Frat wrote:Sky blue for home, red and black stripes for away strip like Man City away circa 2003-2004. How will the Wanderers cope? we wont care because we are not insecure heart fans have every right to complain, sydney fc fans or sydney fc themselves have no right to complain This !!! yes and no. Heart fans have a right to complain, and so do Sydney. Answer this: if Melbourne City was a foundation club, would have they got solid sky blue as their strip? No fricken' way. It would: 1. have been a clear clash of identities and 2. had no significance for a Melbourne-based team. Worse than that, in fact sky blue for a Melbourne club would have been the first thing the FFA would have run a line through. Hell not even that would have happened, because no moron in Australia would even consider sky blue for a Melbourne club. So other than rich Arab money, what's different now?
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stefcep
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If they decide to play in sky blue what it really does is show a total lack of understanding of the sporting landscape City's owners have bought in to, and where their fans will come from.
This fantasy that they will awake a hitherto sleeping giant of Euro snobs, is just that, a fantasy. Why would a Liverpool or Man U or a Olympiacos or Red Star or Dinamo Zagreb fans support a team that is owned by and resembles Man City? These fans, often have historical and ethnic ties to these clubs.
Oh, has anybody told them they are up against the fourth most attended sporting league IN THE WORLD, with a 150+ year history in a city of just 4 MILLION?
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Quote:There kit should be sky blue and red. Could probably make a nice kit out of that. SFC fans butthurt about a team taking their colours, propose new colours that another team (Jets - blue and red) have and have no worries. If Melbourne went the Catania style kit - would Jerks fans and management be allowed to riot aswell? Edited by pv4: 16/4/2014 01:09:47 PM
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stefcep wrote:Answer this: if Melbourne City was a foundation club, would have they got solid sky blue as their strip? No fricken' way.
It would:
1. have been a clear clash of identities and
2. had no significance for a Melbourne-based team. Worse than that, in fact sky blue for a Melbourne club would have been the first thing the FFA would have run a line through. Hell not even that would have happened, because no moron in Australia would even consider sky blue for a Melbourne club.
So other than rich Arab money, what's different now? 1. For real? GCU came in with the exact same colours as CCM, no "identity" worries were had. 2. Well, while I do understand that red/white is more prominent - the coat of arms of Melbourne DOES have lighter shades of blue on it. Could argue it has SOME significance.
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Swarth
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stefcep wrote:sobkowski wrote:Swarth wrote:Frat wrote:Sky blue for home, red and black stripes for away strip like Man City away circa 2003-2004. How will the Wanderers cope? we wont care because we are not insecure heart fans have every right to complain, sydney fc fans or sydney fc themselves have no right to complain This !!! yes and no. Heart fans have a right to complain, and so do Sydney. Answer this: if Melbourne City was a foundation club, would have they got solid sky blue as their strip? No fricken' way. It would: 1. have been a clear clash of identities and 2. had no significance for a Melbourne-based team. Worse than that, in fact sky blue for a Melbourne club would have been the first thing the FFA would have run a line through. Hell not even that would have happened, because no moron in Australia would even consider sky blue for a Melbourne club. So other than rich Arab money, what's different now? for me the Man City and sydney fc colours are different enough for it to not be too important plus if you look at sydney fc's jerseys over the years they change the tone of blue they wear, no one owns a colour and colour does not mean identity, if sydney fc think their only identity is a colour then maybe they need to look at their own club identity and gain something more than just a colour as their identity. the 2nd point i agree with though, i personally like the blue and red kit that has been shown a few times but i am not a heart fan so it doesnt really matter
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pv4 wrote:stefcep wrote:Answer this: if Melbourne City was a foundation club, would have they got solid sky blue as their strip? No fricken' way.
It would:
1. have been a clear clash of identities and
2. had no significance for a Melbourne-based team. Worse than that, in fact sky blue for a Melbourne club would have been the first thing the FFA would have run a line through. Hell not even that would have happened, because no moron in Australia would even consider sky blue for a Melbourne club.
So other than rich Arab money, what's different now? 1. For real? GCU came in with the exact same colours as CCM, no "identity" worries were had. Exactly! A billionaire owner who doesn't listen to or respect his fans, who get his way with the FFA and has little regard for the league overall. What could go wrong?
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what about light blue and white stripes??? and keep red and white stripes for away??
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stefcep
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scoobydoo wrote:what about light blue and white stripes??? and keep red and white stripes for away?? I think that would be a decent compromise. I'd still wear my red and white. And wouldn't piss them off if they sold more red and white merchandise, and most of the stadium was decked out in red and white..
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I disagree with them complaining about a clash of colours, but I agree with everything else he said.
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here it is  purrrrrrrrfect\:d/
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stefcep wrote:pv4 wrote:stefcep wrote:Answer this: if Melbourne City was a foundation club, would have they got solid sky blue as their strip? No fricken' way.
It would:
1. have been a clear clash of identities and
2. had no significance for a Melbourne-based team. Worse than that, in fact sky blue for a Melbourne club would have been the first thing the FFA would have run a line through. Hell not even that would have happened, because no moron in Australia would even consider sky blue for a Melbourne club.
So other than rich Arab money, what's different now? 1. For real? GCU came in with the exact same colours as CCM, no "identity" worries were had. Exactly! A billionaire owner who doesn't listen to or respect his fans, who get his way with the FFA and has little regard for the league overall. What could go wrong? Between the member's survey and meeting with fan representatives the comparison to Clive is a bit harsh. Still, hard not to feel down about this news.
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Euro clubs have what? 4 sets a season. Colours clashing with other clubs is not a problem if the League police who wears what top in what round. Keep it simple. Brand protection/legal risk blah blah blah. Sure, but this is the people game keep it simple.
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I don't know how this has gotten to 8 pages. It is quite simple really:
Sydney is the capital of NSW.
The colours most identified with NSW are Sky Blue.
Sydney FC have (organically, not given the nickname from FFA) now come to be known as the 'Sky Blues'.
The rest is irrelevant.
The only thing that may be of affect is money talks (City) and bullshit walks (FFA), but I hope common sense prevails and if City want their Blue as part of the team, make it only a secondary (at most) colour.
edit: By the way I haven't read the preceding pages so not sure if anyone has actually said the same thing I just did
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I imagine that will be close to what they go with.
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i went to the Heart's first ever game (pre season friendly against everton at docklands) and was cautious. I also went to the Victory's first preaseason game in 2005 and hated the club instantly and never got on board lol.
I was hopeful of Heart but unfortuantely the red and white Heart club will be looked back in history as the most mediocre and pathetically run club in the a-league. We all known about the 5,000 die hard fans but let's be honest most of those were ex-victory deserters. 7K average crowds in a city of 4 million is piss poor. running the club in a warehouse in latrobe uni andd training centred around a cow paddock, garden shed and wheelie bin said it all. the former owners ran the club on a budget, had zero ambition, couldn't market and grow the club and only survived by selling off any good young prospect at the first chance.
Now with the City takeover, i'm hopeful the once pathetic club can stand for something much more. i like the big dreams and vision the owners have for the club. The club needed a fresh start and the new name and new colours are perfect. There will be the few hundred who will stamp their feet over the colour change but in reality their problem is the fact they became too attached to a club with zero vision zero ambition and zero performances. I'm sorry but the fact of the matter is that if the City takeover never happened, you fans were doomed for another 5 years of mediocrity. City will now change all of that and I urge you all to continue to support the new club the ride will be aweseome
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stevieboyau wrote:I imagine that will be close to what they go with. any link with the bresciano tag on that shirt???? is that a give away????
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because the tomato sauce red looks crap. the scarlet red colour is sexual
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Absent_doz_2259 wrote:nickk wrote:Absent_doz_2259 wrote:shallow hal wants a gal wrote:If they do go to sky blue it should be partial.
There kit should be sky blue and red. Could probably make a nice kit out of that. But what is the point of compromising?!? This wasn't an amalgamation. This was a takeover. Nobody has paid $11M or whatever it was to oversee two completely different clubs become one loving partnership. They should have read the fine print, South Melbourne could have gone ahead and bought CCM and then discovered they had to play most of their games at Gosford. The FFA actually owns the club , and control what they are called, jerseys etc even though they are usually a rubber stamp. The only thing I think they have not approved from the owners is Clive Palmer freedom of speech jersey. If the FFA decide to put their foot down this time they are 100% entitled to do it. So you think FFA weren't involved in the negotiations? .....and you don't think those details were concluded at the time of negotiations? :-s ^^ This ^^ So much of ^^ this ^^ that you wouldn't believe. The level of naivety on these threads is outlandish. To think that the billionaires at City would have come to Australia and bought a franchise without first clearing up exactly what they can and can't do is bordering on comical.
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I know this might be out of step from some of the fans of MH, but I for one do not care if we change one of the strips (either home or away) to sky blue.
I am all for the passion that people have for the colours, but I am happier to have a club to follow than none at all, which is where we were headed. Continuing on that path was going to see the club die anyway, so ultimately I want to see the club be successful and the new owners have every right to try and transform us from an also ran to a success that people will actually want to follow. If they consider this an important step to help achieve that, so be it.
Keeping red and white elements in a logo and/or away strip would be great to see to help keep the link to the past though, so it appears that the survey, discussions with supporter groups and other research conducted may well help come up with something that works for all stakeholders. I am hopeful this can be achieved.
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^^^And it still doesn't stop us the fans from wearing red and white for next season.....wouldn't be surprised if they offered trade-in deals to "upgrade" to the new sky blue.
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They will just sell the sky blue kits for $50 and the away red and white ones for $120.
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What's wrong with City taking Sky Blue?
They have the marketing bucks to make it so the only club anyone identifies with that colour is them. If anyone changes, it's probably going to be Sydney because their flimsy identity is based around a colour they nicked from Marconi.
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Heart_fan wrote:I know this might be out of step from some of the fans of MH, but I for one do not care if we change one of the strips (either home or away) to sky blue.
I am all for the passion that people have for the colours, but I am happier to have a club to follow than none at all, which is where we were headed. Continuing on that path was going to see the club die anyway, so ultimately I want to see the club be successful and the new owners have every right to try and transform us from an also ran to a success that people will actually want to follow. If they consider this an important step to help achieve that, so be it.
Keeping red and white elements in a logo and/or away strip would be great to see to help keep the link to the past though, so it appears that the survey, discussions with supporter groups and other research conducted may well help come up with something that works for all stakeholders. I am hopeful this can be achieved.
Can't disagree with this at all. I'm assuming most Heart fans will go along with the changes as long as the new owners recognise the previous colours or name in some way? It shouldn't be too hard to incorporate something into the new crest or home/away jersey, just at least to show current fans that "city" is a continuation and evolution of sorts, rather than a 100% franchise overhaul?
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scouse_roar wrote:What's wrong with City taking Sky Blue?
They have the marketing bucks to make it so the only club anyone identifies with that colour is them. If anyone changes, it's probably going to be Sydney because their flimsy identity is based around a colour they nicked from Marconi. Kinda like Brisbane changing shorts colour 3 times. And Brisbane changing their name.
(VAR) IS NAVY BLUE
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