I think the camp behaviours and mannerisms are more just to advertise that they are homosexual to other homosexuals more than anything else. It's the homosexual version of the peacocking gym-junkie, Ed Hardy wearing macho guy.

I know plenty of gay guys who you wouldn't have any idea were gay if I didn't tell you. If you're an observant person and capable of reading micro-expressions etc. then you can always tell though. Everyone likes a perv, and watching where their eyes go when an attractive woman walks past is always a good hint to a person's sexuality :lol:

Haha good point about North Americans... Worst sense of fashion hey! I used to cop it all the time for wearing skinny jeans and shirt that here were considered fairly on trend.

As for the embracing the homosexuality, I merely meant small things like 'that' voice, the hand gestures, the terms like sweetie and honey. They'll all just personality things that they've chosen to adopt, just like I've chose to adopt calling people 'mate'. In my opinion, the average homosexual lifestyle is an attraction to the same sex and then everything else is pretty much a choice for the sake of image, just like it is with heterosexuals. I think we tend to see it all as one package at times, and we don't break it down to what it actually is.
We shouldn't be afraid of being uncomfortable with the voice, or being called honey... Just like we shouldn't be afraid be afraid of being do comfortable with people who sing or talk to themselves in public.

I know several gay men who are very close with their fathers, so I'm not sure there's any correlation there. I don't believe that homosexuality is a case of nurture over nature.

Regarding the whole trust fund thing, I think 21 is too old. I didn't have access to what my grandparents left me until I was 25 and I still haven't touched it because I don't have any need to, and I can put it to use in the future should I want to make a major investment such as in a house. I would have spent it frivolously if I had access to it at age 21.

The point about absent dads is interesting. I guess it may have more of an impact if the dad is absent from early on in the sons life rather then say 13/14. Now that I think about it there is one boy I used to coach in U15's who is gay ( im 95% sure) and his father left very early on.

" there decision to embrace their homosexuality" I think its more the fact that they have had enough of pretending to be something they arent.

And TBH in Australia today I dont think its as easy to pick out the gay guy as it was say 10 years ago. The way fashion has gone in recent times in Australia, what would have been considered a "gay" shirt 10 years ago is now just fashonable. We are a very metro society.

As a young Aussie guy in America and Canada a couple of months ago, I dressed pretty "gay" by their standards, but its just whats in fashion here :lol: lets just say its still fashionable to wear shorts that go well below the knee over there :lol:

Alright, just to test the waters here... Does anyone have any percentage on homosexual men having an absent father? I haven't seen many studies, but in my experience, it's pretty high.

I'm not saying its necessarily choice to be attracted to men, but there must be factors that impact on their decision to embrace their homosexuality and for example, become quite flamboyant. I'm not saying all gay men are flamboyant, but lets be honest, generally you can pick gay men.

And I must say she is a little cutie . My oldest kidling wants to meet yours . Maybe this time I won't smash my wife's car :lol: or you go to the wrong ground

If the female partner gets a sex change, then she'll make a billion dollars.

I don't know the exact process, but recent research seems to suggest that it's genetic... So choice would be the incorrect word to use.

As in their DNA chooses it for them?

Ok, I agree with that.

I believe that for the most part humans don't choose their sexuality.

Are you of the opinion one is born gay, choose to be gay or somewhat learn to be gay as they get older?

Oh well....at least you wont be like this guy. :lol:

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/relationships/cecil-chao-offers-147-million-to-the-man-who-will-marry-his-lesbian-daughter-gigi-chao/story-fnet09p2-1226809340908

I'm not worried, I'm preparing. She's in her formative years now. I just say that I'm going pretty sure she's straight because of what I've observed, but it wouldn't bother me in the slightest if she was gay or somewhere else on the queer spectrum.

Oh :lol: probs a little early to worry about dating, and wether or not she is straight for that matter :lol:

3 :lol:

How old is she?

Probably dovetails into the response to pv4's question in AATRPA, but will address a little bit here.

I'm not opposed to the idea of her dating when she feels it's right for her. I can't protect her for the world, but I can prepare her for it. I can teach her how to think and to identify her feelings/senses so that she's making decisions accordingly.

If I do my job right, I won't have to worry about her boyfriends. Edit: or girlfriends, but I'm pretty sure she's straight.

Edited by Notorganic: 25/8/2014 03:42:21 PM

Why would you bother with that? Just get one of your supporters to give them scholarships #endOfEntitlement

I'd be doing a scholarship style trust to put my kids through Uni.

-PB

I have a friend who her parents did similar, kind of.

They saved up $20k for each child (ended up having 4 girls) and on their 20th (no idea why 20th) birthdays the girls were given the $20k to spend how they please. The thing is - the parents have made it a well-known fact that they won't be chipping in for the girls weddings if they choose to get married - so the girls basically had the choice of saving it for a house, saving it for a wedding, or spending it how they chose. So 2 of the girls spent their $20k on European adventures, the other 2 are yet to receive it but I'm sure the closest one will waste it, and I'm not sure what the youngest will do.

Don't think notor ' s daughter is going to date for a while :lol:

Is your daughter's boyfriend called Greg? :lol:

Edited by SocaWho: 25/8/2014 11:37:36 AM

I think 21 is right in terms of age/experience. 18 is too young, because all she will have experienced at that stage is school.

I may revise to be until after she has finished uni if that's the way she chooses to go.

As for some poor bloke having me as a father in law, it may be some poor lass instead.

And personally, I live so far from that thinking it's not funny :lol: I don't drink alcohol, don't hook up with randoms, have never got into a fight with a guy who looked at me the wrong way, I don't speed in my car. And by that description some would say a boring life :lol: but ive done a lot of things people my age haven't so it balances out

What's wrong with that? He could lose it all tomorrow (which could only happen if he literally bet the house on something) and within another year of working could have more in the bank then a lot of people.

My way of seeing it is he could be hit by a bus next week and all of that saving would have been for nothing.

Bit harsh mate :lol:
He's talking about a situation he knows well and none of us know at all...

That's the problem of the youth today . Live now forget tomorrow .

I know but at some point, very soon he could afford to not worry about the rainy day and just live now. And I can't see a scenario where he would loose it all. He could afford to retire tomorrow and still maintain his current lifestyle.

For a rainy day . One day he could lose it all and have nothing . So he keeps in the Bank to one day maybe you can have it

Edited by mvfcarsenal16.8: 25/8/2014 12:22:51 AM