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Blyth Spartan wrote:
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I'd say calling these Australian born players at Sydney United 'Croats' is discrimination.

The club is an important part of the Croatian community and giving opportunities to young people of Croatian heritage is a top priority. Thats why they are generally 'exclusively Croat'.

Selecting a Croatian in preference to anybody else because he is croatian is against the equal opportunities act of 1988.

The thing with Australia is, we're all australian and we've accepted all comers to our country, we let people bring their traditions and community approaches over here and we let them in, the least those people could to is reciprocate. And if you don't like it or don't think of yourself as Australian, you can leave. In fact, I'll pay for your plane ticket.

In an ideal fair world you are 100% correct.
BUT THE FACT IS people do not come here because they want to assimilate, they come here to better their lot.
Poms blend in because they are very similar to the trad aussie as are the irish,wesh ,scots,germans,italians,poles,greeks ect, but dont confuse immigration with assimilation, thats why so many europeans are leaving europe in droves,they are sick of being strangers in their own cities


Obviously youve never been to Melbourne
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afromanGT wrote:
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I'd say calling these Australian born players at Sydney United 'Croats' is discrimination.

The club is an important part of the Croatian community and giving opportunities to young people of Croatian heritage is a top priority. Thats why they are generally 'exclusively Croat'.

Selecting a Croatian in preference to anybody else because he is croatian is against the equal opportunities act of 1988.

The thing with Australia is, we're all australian and we've accepted all comers to our country, we let people bring their traditions and community approaches over here and we let them in, the least those people could to is reciprocate. And if you don't like it or don't think of yourself as Australian, you can leave. In fact, I'll pay for your plane ticket.

In an ideal fair world you are 100% correct.
BUT THE FACT IS people do not come here because they want to assimilate, they come here to better their lot.
Poms blend in because they are very similar to the trad aussie as are the irish,wesh ,scots,germans,italians,poles,greeks ect, but dont confuse immigration with assimilation, thats why so many europeans are leaving europe in droves,they are sick of being strangers in their own cities
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croat23 wrote:
Bonnyrigg are in our comp this year..apparantly they want to play it behind closed doors


Considering what happened last time that's a good idea.
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all i did was give you a reason why sydney united tend to stick with Croatian people.

There's a word for that: "Racism".
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and Croatia havent given Australia any players...probably because there are no Aussies in Croatia...

Wouldn't think there were that many Croatians in australia. Scrap australia's dual citizenship rule I say. That'll put a swift stop to this bollocks.
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Admitidly some of the best in Cahill and Culina

And lets be honest, we're lucky Culina decided to play for us...Oh, and Culina first played for St. Albans too:-$
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pimpsta wrote:
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Admitidly some of the best in Cahill and Culina
Cahill has Croatian heritage?


dont think so,thought it was somoan,cahill doesnt sounds like a very croat name, names of the top of my head i can think of kalac, popovich and rudan,
Yeah, the interweb sucks the sarcasm out of posts. They should fix that in the new version, or at least release a patch.
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Bonnyrigg are in our comp this year..apparantly they want to play it behind closed doors
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deportivo1985 wrote:
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I dont boubt the nationality topic, as i am australian(and very proud of it) but I too am proud of my Chilean heritage.

I still cant agree with you on the sending of players to Croatia(to benefit their NT). Its just plain wrong that their development is thaks to Australia yet the profit is enjoyed by another country(if its purely for club football then i have no objection...but we both know what its really about).

Finally, how many players have Croatia given Australia(dont mention Australians with croatian decendancy)?
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I do feel sorry for Australia in terms of the fact that they paid and spent time on the development of these players but whether its right or wrong all second generation Australians are going to be in some way tempted to go back.

and Croatia havent given Australia any players...probably because there are no Aussies in Croatia...

Edited by croat23: 24/9/2008 03:39:00 PM
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pimpsta wrote:
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Admitidly some of the best in Cahill and Culina
Cahill has Croatian heritage?


dont think so,thought it was somoan,cahill doesnt sounds like a very croat name, names of the top of my head i can think of kalac, popovich and rudan,


Viduka, Culina, Spiranovic, Kalac, Povavic, Zelic, ZDRILIC, Djubic, Milicic, etc
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martyB wrote:
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Admitidly some of the best in Cahill and Culina
Cahill has Croatian heritage?


dont think so,thought it was somoan,cahill doesnt sounds like a very croat name, names of the top of my head i can think of kalac, popovich and rudan,
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Admitidly some of the best in Cahill and Culina
Cahill has Croatian heritage?
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croat23 wrote:
[quote=deportivo1985]In terms of the nationality topic:
Most people who are of ethnic backgrounds are proud to be Australian and proud to live here but are also proud of their background. It would be wrong not to be proud so I think everyone should get over the "get out of our country" business. Everyones favourite Socceroos Viduka, Skoko etc aren't any different and are just as proud as anyone else to have a Croatian background.

On the Sydney United topic:
Obviusly picking a team based on race is illigal and wrong and I understand that. Being of Croatian origins the club is always going to attract players of Croatian heritage. If a player is good enough, is not Croatian and wants to trial for Sydney United why not give them a go?

Back on topic though, Sydney United may try and send some players to Croatia but lets not forget how many they've given to Australia!


I dont boubt the nationality topic, as i am australian(and very proud of it) but I too am proud of my Chilean heritage.

I still cant agree with you on the sending of players to Croatia(to benefit their NT). Its just plain wrong that their development is thaks to Australia yet the profit is enjoyed by another country(if its purely for club football then i have no objection...but we both know what its really about).

Finally, how many players have Croatia given Australia(dont mention Australians with croatian decendancy)?
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Admitidly some of the best in Cahill and Culina
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deportivo1985 wrote:
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hang on a sec

where in that did i say im not proud to live in australia or be australian? I'm an Australian who is proud of his Croatian heritage...
all i did was give you a reason why sydney united tend to stick with Croatian people.



Do you acknowledge that is correct though? Do you believe that their exclusivity is right or wrong?


In terms of the nationality topic:
Most people who are of ethnic backgrounds are proud to be Australian and proud to live here but are also proud of their background. It would be wrong not to be proud so I think everyone should get over the "get out of our country" business. Everyones favourite Socceroos Viduka, Skoko etc aren't any different and are just as proud as anyone else to have a Croatian background.

On the Sydney United topic:
Obviusly picking a team based on race is illigal and wrong and I understand that. Being of Croatian origins the club is always going to attract players of Croatian heritage. If a player is good enough, is not Croatian and wants to trial for Sydney United why not give them a go?

Back on topic though, Sydney United may try and send some players to Croatia but lets not forget how many they've given to Australia!
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croat23 wrote:
hang on a sec

where in that did i say im not proud to live in australia or be australian? I'm an Australian who is proud of his Croatian heritage...
all i did was give you a reason why sydney united tend to stick with Croatian people.



Do you acknowledge that is correct though? Do you believe that their exclusivity is right or wrong?
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I'd say calling these Australian born players at Sydney United 'Croats' is discrimination.

The club is an important part of the Croatian community and giving opportunities to young people of Croatian heritage is a top priority. Thats why they are generally 'exclusively Croat'.


Oy you.

This is Australia not Croatia.

You don't here Poms going lets make a pom only club.

You are Australian not Croatian and if you don't like that fact get the fuck out.


hang on a sec

where in that did i say im not proud to live in australia or be australian? I'm an Australian who is proud of his Croatian heritage...
all i did was give you a reason why sydney united tend to stick with Croatian people.


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I would help pay but being an apprentice.....

Edited by guest: 22/9/2008 10:44:50 PM
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croat23 wrote:
I'd say calling these Australian born players at Sydney United 'Croats' is discrimination.

The club is an important part of the Croatian community and giving opportunities to young people of Croatian heritage is a top priority. Thats why they are generally 'exclusively Croat'.

Selecting a Croatian in preference to anybody else because he is croatian is against the equal opportunities act of 1988.

The thing with Australia is, we're all australian and we've accepted all comers to our country, we let people bring their traditions and community approaches over here and we let them in, the least those people could to is reciprocate. And if you don't like it or don't think of yourself as Australian, you can leave. In fact, I'll pay for your plane ticket.
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croat23 wrote:
I'd say calling these Australian born players at Sydney United 'Croats' is discrimination.

The club is an important part of the Croatian community and giving opportunities to young people of Croatian heritage is a top priority. Thats why they are generally 'exclusively Croat'.


Oy you.

This is Australia not Croatia.

You don't here Poms going lets make a pom only club.

You are Australian not Croatian and if you don't like that fact get the fuck out.
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I hope all it is a meet and greet thats all but lets hope whats happened in the past with similar players doent happen again because its a total disgrace and desrepectful to this beautiful country.The ffa are on to this already.

Edited by astonvilla1: 22/9/2008 04:15:34 PM
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croat23 wrote:
I'd say calling these Australian born players at Sydney United 'Croats' is discrimination.
The club is an important part of the Croatian community and giving opportunities to young people of Croatian heritage is a top priority. Thats why they are generally 'exclusively Croat'.


Come on, lets not fly of the hinge. What I meant was croat australian.

I dont mean to say that the club throw out their Croatian heritage. Noone has the right to deny ones background, heritage, race, creed, etc. But TBH Sydney Utds player recruitment is far less than open. E.g. if you look at their trialing system, cro heritage is more important than ability(shows on their field; currently paying with their results), whereas a club like Marconi(italian) focuses on talent before race(Senior team didnt do well but their u/20 were great).

Because of this ability to look purely on the ability these players have better chances of excelling and moving on to the next level eg. Elasi, Berger, Carle(via SydOly)
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I'd say calling these Australian born players at Sydney United 'Croats' is discrimination.

The club is an important part of the Croatian community and giving opportunities to young people of Croatian heritage is a top priority. Thats why they are generally 'exclusively Croat'.
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croat23 wrote:
Obviously their going to want to be exclusively Croat..


Whereas then you play the "Aussies hate them" card? By the way, isnt that called discrimination?
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Obviously their going to want to be exclusively Croat..
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croat23 wrote:
pretty bad example with the UK


I cant think of any other country australia can poach players from, except for the Richard Porat case, but that is only one player.

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Sydney United backstabing?..Their founded and run by Croatian immigrants and Aussies hate them...why wouldnt they help send some kids to Croatia?


Well considering the Aust government gave them the grant for the land where there club and ground is at, i consider it pretty bad(same with Hajduk, Marconi, Bonnyrigg White Eagles, etc).

BTW, the reason that Sydney Utd isnt whole embraced by the 'Aussie' football community is because they have a tendency to be exclusively Croat, with the odd exceptions of some very very talented players(even they have it bad; a friend of mine is one at the moment).
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I agree, sounds very innocent to me...maybe we should send aussie reps to scout out any young talents in the uk with any Aussie ties watsoever :roll:


pretty bad example with the UK
Sydney United backstabing?..Their founded and run by Croatian immigrants and Aussies hate them...why wouldnt they help send some kids to Croatia?

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pimpsta wrote:
crack down on what exactly? all they did was give the vice president of hhk a tour of the place, he just happen to see a kid who he liked and invited the kid to croatia, its no diffrent when a scout goes to a game to watch some kids play,

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"He liked him, so they actually flew him over there [to Croatia] and he went over initially to just check it out and to open up his eyes to a different country and the way they do things over there. [Croatia] really likes him. They've chased him very hard."


I agree, sounds very innocent to me...maybe we should send aussie reps to scout out any young talents in the uk with any Aussie ties watsoever :roll:
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FFA need to crack down on this...back stabbing SydUtd


crack down on what exactly? all they did was give the vice president of hhk a tour of the place, he just happen to see a kid who he liked and invited the kid to croatia, its no diffrent when a scout goes to a game to watch some kids play,
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FFA need to crack down on this...back stabbing SydUtd
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You're the one that keeps harping on about the fact Leave them be and implement the same U18's rule that they have in Brazil and see what happens then.
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Bloody United can't get over the fact they are not in the top league.
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