My cousin, who's a bit prone to hysterics, just put on Facebook that she went and spent hundreds of dollars at lindt in remembrance of the victims.

He wasn't an accessory to a murder, he was accused to being an accessory to a murder. As he hadn't been found guilty yet he was to be presumed innocent.

For bail to be denied he would need to either be a risk of flight or being a danger to the community, obviously the latter ended up being true but it's a bit harder to prove beforehand.

So lets just throw out our entire legal system and start all over again because some rapist witch doctor was granted bail based on evidence presented in court that you or anyone else not in the courtroom at the time are privy too.

I love it how some people are overly simplistic in their assessment of a very complexed and convoluted situation by fingering the blame towards one sector of society. If it's not Muslims, it's the Magistrates. If it's not the Magistrates it's the Labor gov't who granted him political asylum. If it's not the Labor gov't, it's the Liberal gov't who didn't deport him after malicious letters sent to deceased soldier's families.

Hmm...so being accessory to murder is not enough in your books to be refused bail?

Do you know the parameters that bail would be denied? Judges work within the confines of the law, not on personal whim and fancy.

The only person with blood on their hands is the fruitloop himself.

Its not Judge Judy either.

Are you practising to be a criminal lawyer by any chance?

Edited by SocaWho: 16/12/2014 10:41:45 AM

Was the same woman in the second demand video.

This isn't the minority report.

Well in that case they still do...should of been refused bail. Don't go through your normal phase of trying to defend the indefensible. Its more tiresome than it already is.



Edited by SocaWho: 16/12/2014 10:28:39 AM

Now being reported that the female hostage died protecting her pregnant friend.

Male hostage killed was apparently the café manager

So most of the media are reporting that the two hostages that died, the 34 year old male Tori Johnson died after being hit by a gunshot in the struggle for the gunman's weapon and the 38 year old female Katrina Dawson died of a cardiac arrest.

A lot of questions yet to be answered. Why was this guy on bail with a long history of violence and on a violent charge? Why did it take so long to clear up the speculation? If things were going to come to a head why did it take so long? Could the deaths been avoided? Just a few questions that come to mind.

well we don't want to Martyr him and make him a hero......

If true, this so much.

sorry pauly i don't agree......terrorism is not exclusively an Islamic phenomenon

If true, This man has died a hero. He gave his own life to save the lives of nearly 20 others. Must receive a bravery award.

Damn :(

-PB

Kill him. I wish for his death.

omg this is so shocking; the thought of innocent muslims being targeted just makes me cry :cry:

the most important thing for everyone to take from this is that all muslims are great people and islam is completely free from any criticism ok???

So apparently it all came to a head when one of the hostages noticed the gunman dozing off and made a grab for the gun which then led to the gunman to start firing in the struggle. That hostage was the 34 year old male who passed.

Thought that also lol.

-PB

Well now that's changing the goalposts on u's theory. Please read next time.

Just when you thought you'd seen it all

And you complain about Newstart being a drain on the government :lol:

Which may be true but "Terrorism" in its modern interpretation (and the interpretation that the western media use) is that of people of Islamic faith carrying out acts of violence and mass hysteria in the name of Islam.

-PB

No they don't,and he was on bail, not acquitted.

According to his former lawyer, he was indeed a cleric in Iran before gaining political asylum in Australia because he spoke out against the Iranian government. A disturbed man yes, but not a complete phoney when it comes to being a Muslim cleric.

That still doesn't add or take away anything from this horrific incident. Every person of race, colour & creed should stand together united in the face of this and refrain from pointing the finger at a single community who have not only denounced this act and the person behind it, but do not promote acts of violence against anyone. period.

100% terrorism

Terrorism

In the international community, terrorism has no legally binding, criminal law definition.[1][2] Common definitions of terrorism refer only to those violent acts that are intended to create fear (terror); are perpetrated for a religious, political, or ideological goal; and deliberately target or disregard the safety of non-combatants (e.g., neutral military personnel or civilians). Some definitions now include acts of unlawful violence and war.

So a man holding a gun to his ex-wife's head wanting to speak to the PM about getting to see his kids again is not just domestic violence now? Bit of a wank.

The words used were appropriate. Politically charged madman, but definitely not terrorist.