Change.org is deeply painful.

not to smart are you Matt....Abbott didn't get it wrong, the advice from the AFP was wrong......hardly a major issue.....
and for someone who craps on about hyperbole and sensationalism you take the hypocrite cake.....

and i remember you backing Craig thompson and now he has been convicted on the theft charges and fined $25,000 the ALP/UNIONS will probably pay that fine, the only reason he wasn't jailed was that the prosecution fucked up and he wasn't convicted of ALL the fraud charges.....but you silent on that front funnily enough.....and rather hilarious how you jump to the defense of the greens and labor at every opportunity....strange delirious sort of balance you strike there......the holier than thou stance is even harder to swallow from a butt clenching atheist......

beg to differ.....

And you have elaborated well!

-PB

I don't ever remember backing Craig Thompson, it's really not something I would do. Would be happy to go back and look at my comments if you were able to substantiate your claim.

At a stretch I probably would have commented that it was too early to judge and that even if he were guilty as charged that the amount he was accused of taking is on par with what other politicians have had swept under the carpet under rules that allowed for them to pay it back.

I read somewhere recently that the total value was around $3,500. But that's really more of an issue for the politics thread, isn't it.

couldn't be fucked to be honest......

all one way traffic in here

the theft element was $5,000

the fraud element was quite substantial

Edited by batfink: 19/12/2014 08:21:09 AM

Maybe, I haven't thought about or looked at it for a very long time.

You'll forgive me if I don't blindly take your word on it.

Still, the assertion that you made was that I was "backing" him. I don't think I was. Prove yourself right.

=d>

The problem is that given what normal people are bailed for doing, this blokes crimes weren't overly heinous. There was no precedence to refuse bail to my understanding.

With the benefit of hindsight everyone is now a legal expert.

You guys have given me hope. =d>

x2, good boy.

You'd want to be sourcing your reference/media link, if you're going to post that online.

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-PB

Deflect alert.

-PB

The inclination after events like this, is to introduce new laws that take away our rights and freedoms, so he’s got a point, in that sense.

The consequences will never be the same.

The proposed MetaData Laws stink, they have a stench of anti-freedom about them, and the quicker people wake up to this, the better.

Its ok...you've established your repertoire as a criminal apologist, I think theres no need for you to justify your position anymore than you have to. And please do not disguise your sympathies for criminal behaviour as freedom for civil liberties....its incredibly nauseating.

Edited by SocaWho: 19/12/2014 11:33:09 AM

SocaLol

Are you suggesting that the Liberal election campaign wasn't based around the Stop The Boats mantra? Or are you honestly suggesting that the standard Liberal voters was keen to stop the boats on the grounds of safety for those on the boats, rather than because they didn't want more Muslims coming into the country?

More like SocaLooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool

-PB

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no i am suggesting it is a very general statement, that is not relating to facts.... and of course is intended to get a reaction

:-"

Wasn't intended to get a reaction - but it did.

So...

Question 1 - did the Liberals base a major portion of their campaign around stopping the boats?

Question 2 - was the average voter more concerned with the safety of those on the boats, or with cutting down immigration?

If you don't consider Stop The Boats to be a major part of the Liberal campaign, then nothing else really needs to be said.

It's not like he stood in front of a billboard with it as the leading 3 word slogan or anything.

I haven't really been following this thread, but something has quite of bugged me. I didn't know where else to put it, so figured why not here.

The Sydney Siege proved how powerful most Australians are. It proved that most are able to rise above stereotypes, above media propaganda, and political agenda to show compassion, humanity, kindness and solidarity. This was evident in the #illridewithyou campaign. It was also evident when people stood side by side together as one, without wishing to point the finger.

As was going to be the case, people were going to point fingers. Many of these fingers have been pointed towards ISIS, Islamists, Multiculturalism, and Islam as a whole. Quite frankly I am not here to defend any of that. The calls for Muslims to denounce the attacks and denounce these dumb organisations has gotten a bit too much. Almost as if, the action of one man were instructed by the other 1.6 billion people. Its gotten a rather stale. No one can defend ISIS, or any radicalised nut job.

Since the incident, all attention has turned to things such as #illridewithyou. People have been sending flowers and cards to mosques in a show of support. The whole incident has turned in to some sort of movement to comfort Muslims.

Whilst I am always grateful for that support, I know that the majority of people are not bigoted. I know majority of the population are level headed. I know majority of the population are kind, compassionate, and caring. The minority who are not, are much like the minority of those who support ISIS and co. We as a nation are bigger than our government. We are bigger than our media. We know not to pander to their agendas and propaganda.

No one has been talking about remembering Tori Johnson and Katrina Dawson. Their families are the ones who the compassion cards and flowers should be sent to. Their families are the one who needs the most support right now. Australians have always been kind and caring people. We should be stronger than the minority. We should be able to not let political agenda and media propaganda dictate our lives.

We must remember those who lost their lives. Tori did so trying to fight the gunman. He knew very well the risks of his actions. But he put his life on the line for the sake of the others in the cafe. Katrina was an innocent person with much to live for. Their deaths should not be remembered by us bickering and pandering to agenda and propaganda. They should be remembered by us uniting for a greater good.

Their deaths should not be forgotten. The Muslims are not the ones who need to be comforted, their families are.

Have you not seen pictures of Martin Place recently.

I agree. I read about the Greens member who came up with the #illridewithyou campaign and how she concocted the idea. So as it seems, she was sitting on the train and she saw a women with hijab and pitied her for the potential backlash she might face after the events. So she felt compelled to do something about it and came up with this idea since she felt incredibly sorry for the moderate muslims that would be unfairly targeted in public. If it was her family member or friend that was killed, I'd be very interested to see if she feels the same way.
Whilst I don't mind the sentiment and intentions of what the campaign does, I find it a very odd thought process to neglect the true victims out of this and that were the hostages including the 2 who were killed. And secondly the timing is questionable and somewhat disrespectful since it takes away the attention on the true victims but to somewhere else.
Thirdly the hashtag has also being made to make people feel guilty that if you don't support it then you are a racist and a bigot. Im not saying there aren't bigots out there and those who discriminate are bad apples, but its really disrespectful to the families who lost their love ones to all of a sudden try to get people to jump on a fictitious bandwagon / kumbaya theme when people have lost lives.

Edited by SocaWho: 20/12/2014 07:39:08 AM