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+x+x+xThere's no doubt that there'll be more right-wing violence on Inauguration Day with the FBI reporting of armed protests planned at all state capital buildings as well as Washington DC. I'd be amazed if the day ends without more deaths. We'll see how Trump reacts to that, although I expect his aides would have some arse covering prepared in advance after last time. so its Trumps fault that people protest and there is violence, like you know it was Obamas fault when there were fires and violence at Trumps inauguration? Just to inform you, you know the claim that BLM was mostly peaceful? it comes from some research that claimed 93% of BLM protests were peaceful. even if true, that 7% amounts to Two Hundred and twenty different locations, not incidents, locations where violent protests occurred. Trumps supporters have another 219 locations of violence to go to make it even.... This seems to be where we are at loggerheads. I don't think anyone is saying that the 7% of the violent BLM protests are acceptable - at least not on this forum. When we say the Capitol Riot was violent and unacceptable, Trump supporters simply say, "but BLM protests were violent" Yes, but neither is acceptable. Not to mention that Obama has consistently condemned BLM violence.
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Enzo Bearzot
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThere's no doubt that there'll be more right-wing violence on Inauguration Day with the FBI reporting of armed protests planned at all state capital buildings as well as Washington DC. I'd be amazed if the day ends without more deaths. We'll see how Trump reacts to that, although I expect his aides would have some arse covering prepared in advance after last time. so its Trumps fault that people protest and there is violence, like you know it was Obamas fault when there were fires and violence at Trumps inauguration? Obama immediately invited Trump to the white house following the election, thereby acknowledging Trump as his democratically elected successor long before Trump was inaugurated. Trump has done the exact opposite to this at every single opportunity. But you know all this, you just elect to ignore it. Before and for every day for 4 years after the invitation the Democrats refused to acknowledge Trumps Presidency. Even calling him The Occupant, not the President What goes around comes around. You know two wrongs dont right yeah. Trump and the repubs aren't children . Oh now you wanna act like adults..not for eg when Pelosi was doing things like tearing up the State of the Union speech for the cameras.. Ripping up a copy of a speech, ripping up a democracy, totally equivalent. Last I checked America is still a democracy. The hysteria is ridiculous. The jackasses that broke in to the capitol couldn't overthrow a cricketball. FFS they were taking selfies with the guards and guards were holding the doors open for them. And yes the deaths are tragic but he lady that died was shot unarmed by government police, 3 others died of medical conditions and one cop died of injuries. All tragic, but perspective please. Anyway its going exactly I said it would months ago if the Democrats win-they asked for it and they want to turn the screws more.
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Enzo Bearzot
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+x+x+x+xThere's no doubt that there'll be more right-wing violence on Inauguration Day with the FBI reporting of armed protests planned at all state capital buildings as well as Washington DC. I'd be amazed if the day ends without more deaths. We'll see how Trump reacts to that, although I expect his aides would have some arse covering prepared in advance after last time. so its Trumps fault that people protest and there is violence, like you know it was Obamas fault when there were fires and violence at Trumps inauguration? Just to inform you, you know the claim that BLM was mostly peaceful? it comes from some research that claimed 93% of BLM protests were peaceful. even if true, that 7% amounts to Two Hundred and twenty different locations, not incidents, locations where violent protests occurred. Trumps supporters have another 219 locations of violence to go to make it even.... This seems to be where we are at loggerheads. I don't think anyone is saying that the 7% of the violent BLM protests are acceptable - at least not on this forum. When we say the Capitol Riot was violent and unacceptable, Trump supporters simply say, "but BLM protests were violent" Yes, but neither is acceptable. Not to mention that Obama has consistently condemned BLM violence. he's no longer in the white house and therefore not in any postion to do anything. Its the ones that are that are the problem now- like the VP-elect. See my previous quote. Two hundred and twenty different locations were violent in the BLM protest. How many reports of them can you personally name? None? FFS a CNN reporter on video was calling the protest peaceful and buildings were on fire in the background ...
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Enzo Bearzot
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+x+x+xThere's no doubt that there'll be more right-wing violence on Inauguration Day with the FBI reporting of armed protests planned at all state capital buildings as well as Washington DC. I'd be amazed if the day ends without more deaths. We'll see how Trump reacts to that, although I expect his aides would have some arse covering prepared in advance after last time. so its Trumps fault that people protest and there is violence, like you know it was Obamas fault when there were fires and violence at Trumps inauguration? Just to inform you, you know the claim that BLM was mostly peaceful? it comes from some research that claimed 93% of BLM protests were peaceful. even if true, that 7% amounts to Two Hundred and twenty different locations, not incidents, locations where violent protests occurred. Trumps supporters have another 219 locations of violence to go to make it even.... This seems to be where we are at loggerheads. I don't think anyone is saying that the 7% of the violent BLM protests are acceptable - at least not on this forum. When we say the Capitol Riot was violent and unacceptable, Trump supporters simply say, "but BLM protests were violent" Yes, but neither is acceptable. I don't think anyone on this forum actually knows how much violence there was in the BLM movement for them to have an opinion one way or the other. How can they, when the media silenced reporting it as soon as it affected their man's election campaign. As for Trump supporters, go and have a look online eg Fox News, while you still can before they gets cancelled by Big tech, and you'll find many condemn the capitol events. What they won't stand for is the hysterical hypocrisy.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThere's no doubt that there'll be more right-wing violence on Inauguration Day with the FBI reporting of armed protests planned at all state capital buildings as well as Washington DC. I'd be amazed if the day ends without more deaths. We'll see how Trump reacts to that, although I expect his aides would have some arse covering prepared in advance after last time. so its Trumps fault that people protest and there is violence, like you know it was Obamas fault when there were fires and violence at Trumps inauguration? Obama immediately invited Trump to the white house following the election, thereby acknowledging Trump as his democratically elected successor long before Trump was inaugurated. Trump has done the exact opposite to this at every single opportunity. But you know all this, you just elect to ignore it. Before and for every day for 4 years after the invitation the Democrats refused to acknowledge Trumps Presidency. Even calling him The Occupant, not the President What goes around comes around. You know two wrongs dont right yeah. Trump and the repubs aren't children . Oh now you wanna act like adults..not for eg when Pelosi was doing things like tearing up the State of the Union speech for the cameras.. Ripping up a copy of a speech, ripping up a democracy, totally equivalent. The hysteria is ridiculous. The jackasses that broke in to the capitol couldn't overthrow a cricketball. FFS they were taking selfies with the guards and guards were holding the doors open for them. And yes the deaths are tragic but he lady that died was shot unarmed by government police, 3 others died of medical conditions and one cop died of injuries. All tragic, but perspective please. No doubt 90% or more of the people who entered congress were just MAGA idiots who wanted to chant and wave Trump and Confederate flags and take selfies, but you can't deny that there were also well-organized groups there who came prepared with body armor, helmets, weapons and handcuffs. Pipe bombs were planted, perhaps as diversions. A gallows was assembled, I can't see any reports that it wasn't functional. Congressmen were removing their lapel pins to avoid being identified if captured. If it got more out of hand a lot more people could have died, this cannot be denied. There's no way that Trump can say he didn't know or couldn't anticipate that these people would be there. His comments were inflammatory and incredibly irresponsible to say the least, and his lack of effort to put a stop to it is unforgivable.
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+x+x+x+x+x[quote]There's no doubt that there'll be more right-wing violence on Inauguration Day with the FBI reporting of armed protests planned at all state capital buildings as well as Washington DC. I'd be amazed if the day ends without more deaths. We'll see how Trump reacts to that, although I expect his aides would have some arse covering prepared in advance after last time. so its Trumps fault that people protest and there is violence, like you know it was Obamas fault when there were fires and violence at Trumps inauguration? Just to inform you, you know the claim that BLM was mostly peaceful? it comes from some research that claimed 93% of BLM protests were peaceful. even if true, that 7% amounts to Two Hundred and twenty different locations, not incidents, locations where violent protests occurred. Trumps supporters have another 219 locations of violence to go to make it even.... This seems to be where we are at loggerheads. I don't think anyone is saying that the 7% of the violent BLM protests are acceptable - at least not on this forum. When we say the Capitol Riot was violent and unacceptable, Trump supporters simply say, "but BLM protests were violent" Yes, but neither is acceptable. Not to mention that Obama has consistently condemned BLM violence. he's no longer in the white house and therefore not in any postion to do anything. Its the ones that are that are the problem now- like the VP-elect. See my previous quote. You're the one that brought Obama up. Two hundred and twenty different locations were violent in the BLM protest. How many reports of them can you personally name? None? FFS a CNN reporter on video was calling the protest peaceful and buildings were on fire in the background ... As Burztur said above, nobody here is defending that. The strawmanning and whattaboutism is getting a bit old tbh.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThere's no doubt that there'll be more right-wing violence on Inauguration Day with the FBI reporting of armed protests planned at all state capital buildings as well as Washington DC. I'd be amazed if the day ends without more deaths. We'll see how Trump reacts to that, although I expect his aides would have some arse covering prepared in advance after last time. so its Trumps fault that people protest and there is violence, like you know it was Obamas fault when there were fires and violence at Trumps inauguration? Obama immediately invited Trump to the white house following the election, thereby acknowledging Trump as his democratically elected successor long before Trump was inaugurated. Trump has done the exact opposite to this at every single opportunity. But you know all this, you just elect to ignore it. Before and for every day for 4 years after the invitation the Democrats refused to acknowledge Trumps Presidency. Even calling him The Occupant, not the President What goes around comes around. You know two wrongs dont right yeah. Trump and the repubs aren't children . Oh now you wanna act like adults..not for eg when Pelosi was doing things like tearing up the State of the Union speech for the cameras.. Ripping up a copy of a speech, ripping up a democracy, totally equivalent. they were taking selfies with the guards and guards were holding the doors open for them. ...and dragging people into the crowd and beating them, one to death, and planting bombs... You know, good fun larrikin stuff. They attempted to intimidate senators to stop/delay the certification of a democratically elected leader by violent means. That's not nothing at the end of the day and it's not just "radical liberals" who don't see it as just having a laugh.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThere's no doubt that there'll be more right-wing violence on Inauguration Day with the FBI reporting of armed protests planned at all state capital buildings as well as Washington DC. I'd be amazed if the day ends without more deaths. We'll see how Trump reacts to that, although I expect his aides would have some arse covering prepared in advance after last time. so its Trumps fault that people protest and there is violence, like you know it was Obamas fault when there were fires and violence at Trumps inauguration? Obama immediately invited Trump to the white house following the election, thereby acknowledging Trump as his democratically elected successor long before Trump was inaugurated. Trump has done the exact opposite to this at every single opportunity. But you know all this, you just elect to ignore it. Before and for every day for 4 years after the invitation the Democrats refused to acknowledge Trumps Presidency. Even calling him The Occupant, not the President What goes around comes around. You know two wrongs dont right yeah. Trump and the repubs aren't children . Oh now you wanna act like adults..not for eg when Pelosi was doing things like tearing up the State of the Union speech for the cameras.. Ripping up a copy of a speech, ripping up a democracy, totally equivalent. they were taking selfies with the guards and guards were holding the doors open for them. That's not nothing at the end of the day and it's not just "radical liberals" who don't see it as just having a laugh. You have a former republican president and the current Republican house leader calling what happened an insurrection. To claim its just the "MSM" in over the top hysteria is so dishonest in unbelievable.
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It's also ridiculous for people to defend Trump's speech that day (the exact wording of which can be argued either way) but ignore the premeditated MONTHS of false claims about the election.
That's the cause of this. Not just one speech by a bunch of desperate clowns hiding behind glass pretending to be men of the people.
I doubt even Enzo or Rusty would say they believe that tens of thousands of votes in various states were stolen or faked. That's why rusty wasn't here for 2 months.
All normal headed people know it was a lie and saw it coming, mainly because Trump and his people told us they were going to do it for crying out loud aha
Republicans humoured him, allowing him his "harmless day in court" (60odd times) and this, and what's to come, is the direct result of these blatant lies.
To turn around and say, well some of the mob were just there for a laugh (true) and that other protests in history have had violent elements (true) and ignore the LIES that happened over the last few months that led huge chunks of the country to believe an election was stolen is idiotic.
Being willing to defend that lying and attempts to bring into question the democratic process just because that "side" or "man" is on your side when your feelings are hurt and you're scared that all boys will be girls soon, men can marry men, women can have abortions and that beating a woman is seen as bad even though she belittled you for years is just pathetic.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xThere's no doubt that there'll be more right-wing violence on Inauguration Day with the FBI reporting of armed protests planned at all state capital buildings as well as Washington DC. I'd be amazed if the day ends without more deaths. We'll see how Trump reacts to that, although I expect his aides would have some arse covering prepared in advance after last time. so its Trumps fault that people protest and there is violence, like you know it was Obamas fault when there were fires and violence at Trumps inauguration? Obama immediately invited Trump to the white house following the election, thereby acknowledging Trump as his democratically elected successor long before Trump was inaugurated. Trump has done the exact opposite to this at every single opportunity. But you know all this, you just elect to ignore it. Before and for every day for 4 years after the invitation the Democrats refused to acknowledge Trumps Presidency. Even calling him The Occupant, not the President What goes around comes around. You know two wrongs dont right yeah. Trump and the repubs aren't children . Oh now you wanna act like adults..not for eg when Pelosi was doing things like tearing up the State of the Union speech for the cameras.. "It was you introduced a different irrelevant argument and I responded to that irrelevant argument." -PB
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThere's no doubt that there'll be more right-wing violence on Inauguration Day with the FBI reporting of armed protests planned at all state capital buildings as well as Washington DC. I'd be amazed if the day ends without more deaths. We'll see how Trump reacts to that, although I expect his aides would have some arse covering prepared in advance after last time. so its Trumps fault that people protest and there is violence, like you know it was Obamas fault when there were fires and violence at Trumps inauguration? Obama immediately invited Trump to the white house following the election, thereby acknowledging Trump as his democratically elected successor long before Trump was inaugurated. Trump has done the exact opposite to this at every single opportunity. But you know all this, you just elect to ignore it. Before and for every day for 4 years after the invitation the Democrats refused to acknowledge Trumps Presidency. Even calling him The Occupant, not the President What goes around comes around. You know two wrongs dont right yeah. Trump and the repubs aren't children . Oh now you wanna act like adults..not for eg when Pelosi was doing things like tearing up the State of the Union speech for the cameras.. Ripping up a copy of a speech, ripping up a democracy, totally equivalent. Last I checked America is still a democracy. Only just, because some dumb fucks (thankfully) failed. -PB
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThere's no doubt that there'll be more right-wing violence on Inauguration Day with the FBI reporting of armed protests planned at all state capital buildings as well as Washington DC. I'd be amazed if the day ends without more deaths. We'll see how Trump reacts to that, although I expect his aides would have some arse covering prepared in advance after last time. so its Trumps fault that people protest and there is violence, like you know it was Obamas fault when there were fires and violence at Trumps inauguration? Obama immediately invited Trump to the white house following the election, thereby acknowledging Trump as his democratically elected successor long before Trump was inaugurated. Trump has done the exact opposite to this at every single opportunity. But you know all this, you just elect to ignore it. Before and for every day for 4 years after the invitation the Democrats refused to acknowledge Trumps Presidency. Even calling him The Occupant, not the President What goes around comes around. You know two wrongs dont right yeah. Trump and the repubs aren't children . Oh now you wanna act like adults..not for eg when Pelosi was doing things like tearing up the State of the Union speech for the cameras.. Ripping up a copy of a speech, ripping up a democracy, totally equivalent. The hysteria is ridiculous. The jackasses that broke in to the capitol couldn't overthrow a cricketball. FFS they were taking selfies with the guards and guards were holding the doors open for them. And yes the deaths are tragic but he lady that died was shot unarmed by government police, 3 others died of medical conditions and one cop died of injuries. All tragic, but perspective please. No doubt 90% or more of the people who entered congress were just MAGA idiots who wanted to chant and wave Trump and Confederate flags and take selfies, but you can't deny that there were also well-organized groups there who came prepared with body armor, helmets, weapons and handcuffs. Pipe bombs were planted, perhaps as diversions. A gallows was assembled, I can't see any reports that it wasn't functional. Congressmen were removing their lapel pins to avoid being identified if captured. If it got more out of hand a lot more people could have died, this cannot be denied. There's no way that Trump can say he didn't know or couldn't anticipate that these people would be there. His comments were inflammatory and incredibly irresponsible to say the least, and his lack of effort to put a stop to it is unforgivable. Man if they were "well organized" and were serious about a coup, it would have been a blood bath. Have you seen what real coups look like? Why do you think the police just didn't open fire on the lot of them-this is the most heavily guarded house in the world after all protecting congress? Why? Because it would have been like shooting fish in a barrel and would have set the country alight. But they didn't do that and no it didn't "get of hand (notwithstanding the two that deaths at the hands of others and the three that died of medical conditions)
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+xIt's also ridiculous for people to defend Trump's speech that day (the exact wording of which can be argued either way) but ignore the premeditated MONTHS of false claims about the election. That's the cause of this. Not just one speech by a bunch of desperate clowns hiding behind glass pretending to be men of the people. I doubt even Enzo or Rusty would say they believe that tens of thousands of votes in various states were stolen or faked. That's why rusty wasn't here for 2 months. All normal headed people know it was a lie and saw it coming, mainly because Trump and his people told us they were going to do it for crying out loud aha Republicans humoured him, allowing him his "harmless day in court" (60odd times) and this, and what's to come, is the direct result of these blatant lies. To turn around and say, well some of the mob were just there for a laugh (true) and that other protests in history have had violent elements (true) and ignore the LIES that happened over the last few months that led huge chunks of the country to believe an election was stolen is idiotic. Being willing to defend that lying and attempts to bring into question the democratic process just because that "side" or "man" is on your side when your feelings are hurt and you're scared that all boys will be girls soon, men can marry men, women can have abortions and that beating a woman is seen as bad even though she belittled you for years is just pathetic. This was 4 years in the making, not 4 months, culminating in misinformation, disinformation and withholding of information in the lead up to the election. Why does the world most technologically-advanced nation insist on routine mail in voting and no ID even when there is no pandemic- when 80% of Europe doesn't?
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Enzo Bearzot
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+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]There's no doubt that there'll be more right-wing violence on Inauguration Day with the FBI reporting of armed protests planned at all state capital buildings as well as Washington DC. I'd be amazed if the day ends without more deaths. We'll see how Trump reacts to that, although I expect his aides would have some arse covering prepared in advance after last time. so its Trumps fault that people protest and there is violence, like you know it was Obamas fault when there were fires and violence at Trumps inauguration? Just to inform you, you know the claim that BLM was mostly peaceful? it comes from some research that claimed 93% of BLM protests were peaceful. even if true, that 7% amounts to Two Hundred and twenty different locations, not incidents, locations where violent protests occurred. Trumps supporters have another 219 locations of violence to go to make it even.... This seems to be where we are at loggerheads. I don't think anyone is saying that the 7% of the violent BLM protests are acceptable - at least not on this forum. When we say the Capitol Riot was violent and unacceptable, Trump supporters simply say, "but BLM protests were violent" Yes, but neither is acceptable. Not to mention that Obama has consistently condemned BLM violence. he's no longer in the white house and therefore not in any postion to do anything. Its the ones that are that are the problem now- like the VP-elect. See my previous quote. You're the one that brought Obama up. Two hundred and twenty different locations were violent in the BLM protest. How many reports of them can you personally name? None? FFS a CNN reporter on video was calling the protest peaceful and buildings were on fire in the background ... As Burztur said above, nobody here is defending that. The strawmanning and whattaboutism is getting a bit old tbh. Well s I have said, o-one here can defend or condone it because no-one knows what actually happened because it wasn't reported because it didn't fit the false narrative. Its this key suppression of facts and truth in reporting that is one of the driving factors that lead to the mistrust and anger that has followed Stuff that you don't like is not "strawmanning" and "whataboutism".
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThere's no doubt that there'll be more right-wing violence on Inauguration Day with the FBI reporting of armed protests planned at all state capital buildings as well as Washington DC. I'd be amazed if the day ends without more deaths. We'll see how Trump reacts to that, although I expect his aides would have some arse covering prepared in advance after last time. so its Trumps fault that people protest and there is violence, like you know it was Obamas fault when there were fires and violence at Trumps inauguration? Obama immediately invited Trump to the white house following the election, thereby acknowledging Trump as his democratically elected successor long before Trump was inaugurated. Trump has done the exact opposite to this at every single opportunity. But you know all this, you just elect to ignore it. Before and for every day for 4 years after the invitation the Democrats refused to acknowledge Trumps Presidency. Even calling him The Occupant, not the President What goes around comes around. You know two wrongs dont right yeah. Trump and the repubs aren't children . Oh now you wanna act like adults..not for eg when Pelosi was doing things like tearing up the State of the Union speech for the cameras.. Ripping up a copy of a speech, ripping up a democracy, totally equivalent. Last I checked America is still a democracy. Only just, because some dumb fucks (thankfully) failed. -PB eye roll
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+x+xIt's also ridiculous for people to defend Trump's speech that day (the exact wording of which can be argued either way) but ignore the premeditated MONTHS of false claims about the election. That's the cause of this. Not just one speech by a bunch of desperate clowns hiding behind glass pretending to be men of the people. I doubt even Enzo or Rusty would say they believe that tens of thousands of votes in various states were stolen or faked. That's why rusty wasn't here for 2 months. All normal headed people know it was a lie and saw it coming, mainly because Trump and his people told us they were going to do it for crying out loud aha Republicans humoured him, allowing him his "harmless day in court" (60odd times) and this, and what's to come, is the direct result of these blatant lies. To turn around and say, well some of the mob were just there for a laugh (true) and that other protests in history have had violent elements (true) and ignore the LIES that happened over the last few months that led huge chunks of the country to believe an election was stolen is idiotic. Being willing to defend that lying and attempts to bring into question the democratic process just because that "side" or "man" is on your side when your feelings are hurt and you're scared that all boys will be girls soon, men can marry men, women can have abortions and that beating a woman is seen as bad even though she belittled you for years is just pathetic. This was 4 years in the making, not 4 months, culminating in misinformation, disinformation and withholding of information in the lead up to the election. Why does the world most technologically-advanced nation insist on routine mail in voting and no ID even when there is no pandemic- when 80% of Europe doesn't? No doubt the "left" has a lot of blame to share re the division in America. But let's make this simple. Do you believe the election was stolen/rigged and if not do you believe that telling everyone that it was is responsible or defendable?I'm not asking if evidence was found that 2 people did this or 3 people did that because that happens every election anywhere.
I'm also not asking about whether voter suppression occurs because it does too.
I'm not asking whether MSM should cover more of the topics you care about and can be condescending coz it can be.Do you believe the election was stolen/rigged and if not do you believe that telling everyone that it was is responsible or defendable?
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+x+x+xThere's no doubt that there'll be more right-wing violence on Inauguration Day with the FBI reporting of armed protests planned at all state capital buildings as well as Washington DC. I'd be amazed if the day ends without more deaths. We'll see how Trump reacts to that, although I expect his aides would have some arse covering prepared in advance after last time. so its Trumps fault that people protest and there is violence, like you know it was Obamas fault when there were fires and violence at Trumps inauguration? Obama immediately invited Trump to the white house following the election, thereby acknowledging Trump as his democratically elected successor long before Trump was inaugurated. Trump has done the exact opposite to this at every single opportunity. But you know all this, you just elect to ignore it. Of course Trump didn’t invite Biden to the Whitehouse when there are serious irregularities with the vote and he’s alleging fraud and contesting the result.
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There is no evidence that enough votes were fraudulent to affect the overall outcome.
Was it "rigged/stolen"? That can mean so many different things. When there is active media suppression of facts and events that can sway enough people's votes towards one candidate from the other o affect an outcome, I would say that is rigging/stealing the election.
Was Trump irresponsible- again it comes down to what you are asking-irresponsible to claim mass scale voter fraud. Yes Rigged/stolen? That;s down to perspective abd opinion.
Note too- and no this isn't whataboutism because its exposes contradiction, double standards and hypocrisy on the left- Clinton urged the Democrats to not conceded the election under any circumstances if the Democrats lost.
American Federal elections are the joke of the world and will be until they get an independent commission to oversee them, and they abolish routine postal votes without ID. The Dems will never allow that, even if the civilized world has.
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+x+x+xIt's also ridiculous for people to defend Trump's speech that day (the exact wording of which can be argued either way) but ignore the premeditated MONTHS of false claims about the election. That's the cause of this. Not just one speech by a bunch of desperate clowns hiding behind glass pretending to be men of the people. I doubt even Enzo or Rusty would say they believe that tens of thousands of votes in various states were stolen or faked. That's why rusty wasn't here for 2 months. All normal headed people know it was a lie and saw it coming, mainly because Trump and his people told us they were going to do it for crying out loud aha Republicans humoured him, allowing him his "harmless day in court" (60odd times) and this, and what's to come, is the direct result of these blatant lies. To turn around and say, well some of the mob were just there for a laugh (true) and that other protests in history have had violent elements (true) and ignore the LIES that happened over the last few months that led huge chunks of the country to believe an election was stolen is idiotic. Being willing to defend that lying and attempts to bring into question the democratic process just because that "side" or "man" is on your side when your feelings are hurt and you're scared that all boys will be girls soon, men can marry men, women can have abortions and that beating a woman is seen as bad even though she belittled you for years is just pathetic. This was 4 years in the making, not 4 months, culminating in misinformation, disinformation and withholding of information in the lead up to the election. Why does the world most technologically-advanced nation insist on routine mail in voting and no ID even when there is no pandemic- when 80% of Europe doesn't? No doubt the "left" has a lot of blame to share re the division in America. But let's make this simple. Do you believe the election was stolen/rigged and if not do you believe that telling everyone that it was is responsible or defendable?I'm not asking if evidence was found that 2 people did this or 3 people did that because that happens every election anywhere.
I'm also not asking about whether voter suppression occurs because it does too.
I'm not asking whether MSM should cover more of the topics you care about and can be condescending coz it can be.Do you believe the election was stolen/rigged and if not do you believe that telling everyone that it was is responsible or defendable? Yes. After reviewing the evidence and checking the facts and following the media coverage, I do actually believe the election was compromised by large scale systematic fraud
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+xThere is no evidence that enough votes were fraudulent to affect the overall outcome. Was it "rigged/stolen"? That can mean so many different things. When there is active media suppression of facts and events that can sway enough people's votes towards one candidate from the other o affect an outcome, I would say that is rigging/stealing the election. Was Trump irresponsible- again it comes down to what you are asking-irresponsible to claim mass scale voter fraud. Yes Rigged/stolen? That;s down to perspective abd opinion. Note too- and no this isn't whataboutism because its exposes contradiction, double standards and hypocrisy on the left- Clinton urged the Democrats to not conceded the election under any circumstances if the Democrats lost. American Federal elections are the joke of the world and will be until they get an independent commission to oversee them, and they abolish routine postal votes without ID. The Dems will never allow that, even if the civilized world has. I mean, I'm happy with whatabboutetcisms because if you want to talk about voter suppression there is one side of politics famous for it in America throughout their history. Clinton is an idiot but Trump wasn't exactly shy about the measures he was putting in place to try and make things go his way last election. In the end his plans failed because most of the states that mattered just weren't that close in the end. Anyway,thank you for answering because you knew what I meant re mass voter fraud and I agree the US system is ridiculous. Frankly the whole US is ridiculous in so many ways. They are still just a massive rhodesian ridgeback puppy knocking furniture over coz it still can't run properly. I have no love for that country or their style of politics or idol worship.
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+xThere is no evidence that enough votes were fraudulent to affect the overall outcome.
Was it "rigged/stolen"? That can mean so many different things. When there is active media suppression of facts and events that can sway enough people's votes towards one candidate from the other
Do you honestly believe that anyone who would consider voting Trump would be watching CNN?
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+x+xIt's also ridiculous for people to defend Trump's speech that day (the exact wording of which can be argued either way) but ignore the premeditated MONTHS of false claims about the election. That's the cause of this. Not just one speech by a bunch of desperate clowns hiding behind glass pretending to be men of the people. I doubt even Enzo or Rusty would say they believe that tens of thousands of votes in various states were stolen or faked. That's why rusty wasn't here for 2 months. All normal headed people know it was a lie and saw it coming, mainly because Trump and his people told us they were going to do it for crying out loud aha Republicans humoured him, allowing him his "harmless day in court" (60odd times) and this, and what's to come, is the direct result of these blatant lies. To turn around and say, well some of the mob were just there for a laugh (true) and that other protests in history have had violent elements (true) and ignore the LIES that happened over the last few months that led huge chunks of the country to believe an election was stolen is idiotic. Being willing to defend that lying and attempts to bring into question the democratic process just because that "side" or "man" is on your side when your feelings are hurt and you're scared that all boys will be girls soon, men can marry men, women can have abortions and that beating a woman is seen as bad even though she belittled you for years is just pathetic. This was 4 years in the making, not 4 months, culminating in misinformation, disinformation and withholding of information in the lead up to the election. Why does the world most technologically-advanced nation insist on routine mail in voting and no ID even when there is no pandemic- when 80% of Europe doesn't? Idiot. Every single audit showed vote counts on the electronic machines matched the paper copies that were printed off when you voted and handed them over. Barr said there was nothing wrong with the election. Multiple Republican governors said there was nothing wrong with the election. Every independent organisation said there was nothing wrong with the election. Postal votes were signature matched. Where signatures didn't match a Republican, a Democrat and an independent would scrutinise the envelopes and accept it or not. There were actually more steps than this but it varies across states. Trump spouted over 20 000 lies during his 4 year term and you talk about misinformation. Meanwhile nearly 400 000 people are dead and still the orange fucking clown refuses to believe it's serious. There is something seriously wrong with you. You need to get off whatever you're on.
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+xIt's also ridiculous for people to defend Trump's speech that day (the exact wording of which can be argued either way) but ignore the premeditated MONTHS of false claims about the election. That's the cause of this. Not just one speech by a bunch of desperate clowns hiding behind glass pretending to be men of the people. I doubt even Enzo or Rusty would say they believe that tens of thousands of votes in various states were stolen or faked. That's why rusty wasn't here for 2 months. All normal headed people know it was a lie and saw it coming, mainly because Trump and his people told us they were going to do it for crying out loud aha Republicans humoured him, allowing him his "harmless day in court" (60odd times) and this, and what's to come, is the direct result of these blatant lies. To turn around and say, well some of the mob were just there for a laugh (true) and that other protests in history have had violent elements (true) and ignore the LIES that happened over the last few months that led huge chunks of the country to believe an election was stolen is idiotic. Being willing to defend that lying and attempts to bring into question the democratic process just because that "side" or "man" is on your side when your feelings are hurt and you're scared that all boys will be girls soon, men can marry men, women can have abortions and that beating a woman is seen as bad even though she belittled you for years is just pathetic. Well said. (The last paragraph particularly accurate.)
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+x+x+x+xIt's also ridiculous for people to defend Trump's speech that day (the exact wording of which can be argued either way) but ignore the premeditated MONTHS of false claims about the election. That's the cause of this. Not just one speech by a bunch of desperate clowns hiding behind glass pretending to be men of the people. I doubt even Enzo or Rusty would say they believe that tens of thousands of votes in various states were stolen or faked. That's why rusty wasn't here for 2 months. All normal headed people know it was a lie and saw it coming, mainly because Trump and his people told us they were going to do it for crying out loud aha Republicans humoured him, allowing him his "harmless day in court" (60odd times) and this, and what's to come, is the direct result of these blatant lies. To turn around and say, well some of the mob were just there for a laugh (true) and that other protests in history have had violent elements (true) and ignore the LIES that happened over the last few months that led huge chunks of the country to believe an election was stolen is idiotic. Being willing to defend that lying and attempts to bring into question the democratic process just because that "side" or "man" is on your side when your feelings are hurt and you're scared that all boys will be girls soon, men can marry men, women can have abortions and that beating a woman is seen as bad even though she belittled you for years is just pathetic. This was 4 years in the making, not 4 months, culminating in misinformation, disinformation and withholding of information in the lead up to the election. Why does the world most technologically-advanced nation insist on routine mail in voting and no ID even when there is no pandemic- when 80% of Europe doesn't? No doubt the "left" has a lot of blame to share re the division in America. But let's make this simple. Do you believe the election was stolen/rigged and if not do you believe that telling everyone that it was is responsible or defendable?I'm not asking if evidence was found that 2 people did this or 3 people did that because that happens every election anywhere.
I'm also not asking about whether voter suppression occurs because it does too.
I'm not asking whether MSM should cover more of the topics you care about and can be condescending coz it can be.Do you believe the election was stolen/rigged and if not do you believe that telling everyone that it was is responsible or defendable? Yes. After reviewing the evidence and checking the facts and following the media coverage, I do actually believe the election was compromised by large scale systematic fraud Hahahaha. You couldn't have possibly reviewed the evidence if you still think it was rigged.
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+x+x+xIt's also ridiculous for people to defend Trump's speech that day (the exact wording of which can be argued either way) but ignore the premeditated MONTHS of false claims about the election. That's the cause of this. Not just one speech by a bunch of desperate clowns hiding behind glass pretending to be men of the people. I doubt even Enzo or Rusty would say they believe that tens of thousands of votes in various states were stolen or faked. That's why rusty wasn't here for 2 months. All normal headed people know it was a lie and saw it coming, mainly because Trump and his people told us they were going to do it for crying out loud aha Republicans humoured him, allowing him his "harmless day in court" (60odd times) and this, and what's to come, is the direct result of these blatant lies. To turn around and say, well some of the mob were just there for a laugh (true) and that other protests in history have had violent elements (true) and ignore the LIES that happened over the last few months that led huge chunks of the country to believe an election was stolen is idiotic. Being willing to defend that lying and attempts to bring into question the democratic process just because that "side" or "man" is on your side when your feelings are hurt and you're scared that all boys will be girls soon, men can marry men, women can have abortions and that beating a woman is seen as bad even though she belittled you for years is just pathetic. This was 4 years in the making, not 4 months, culminating in misinformation, disinformation and withholding of information in the lead up to the election. Why does the world most technologically-advanced nation insist on routine mail in voting and no ID even when there is no pandemic- when 80% of Europe doesn't? Idiot. Every single audit showed vote counts on the electronic machines matched the paper copies that were printed off when you voted and handed them over. Barr said there was nothing wrong with the election. Multiple Republican governors said there was nothing wrong with the election. Every independent organisation said there was nothing wrong with the election. Postal votes were signature matched. Where signatures didn't match a Republican, a Democrat and an independent would scrutinise the envelopes and accept it or not. There were actually more steps than this but it varies across states. Trump spouted over 20 000 lies during his 4 year term and you talk about misinformation. Meanwhile nearly 400 000 people are dead and still the orange fucking clown refuses to believe it's serious. There is something seriously wrong with you. You need to get off whatever you're on. I suggest if you want to know the facts, you should look at the source documents themselves and not what is reported by Trumps team or Biden’s team or the mainstream media. The facts from source documents show massive voter irregularities. As an example check Wayne County Michigan, which encompasses Detroit. If you search the US Census, the Wayne County, Michigan State and other websites you can see that there were more votes cast in Wayne County than there are eligible citizens over the age of 18. That is a fact, and it in itself is a massive problem. At first when I started researching some of the census data and other government websites and documents and saw how many major irregularities there were, I just thought the election was just the worst run election in modern history, full of mistakes and errors, but these incidents all seem to go against Trump and I’ve formed the view that there was fraud involved. In reality, I think it was on a massive scale and that’s actually what’s allowed it to work because the USA as a nation state could not survive if the truth was told. There would be a civil war. I think moderate republican representatives realise this and are willing to foregoing 4 years of power, and get rid of Trump and so are willingly accepting the fraud for what they perceive as the greater good.
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+x+x+x+xIt's also ridiculous for people to defend Trump's speech that day (the exact wording of which can be argued either way) but ignore the premeditated MONTHS of false claims about the election. That's the cause of this. Not just one speech by a bunch of desperate clowns hiding behind glass pretending to be men of the people. I doubt even Enzo or Rusty would say they believe that tens of thousands of votes in various states were stolen or faked. That's why rusty wasn't here for 2 months. All normal headed people know it was a lie and saw it coming, mainly because Trump and his people told us they were going to do it for crying out loud aha Republicans humoured him, allowing him his "harmless day in court" (60odd times) and this, and what's to come, is the direct result of these blatant lies. To turn around and say, well some of the mob were just there for a laugh (true) and that other protests in history have had violent elements (true) and ignore the LIES that happened over the last few months that led huge chunks of the country to believe an election was stolen is idiotic. Being willing to defend that lying and attempts to bring into question the democratic process just because that "side" or "man" is on your side when your feelings are hurt and you're scared that all boys will be girls soon, men can marry men, women can have abortions and that beating a woman is seen as bad even though she belittled you for years is just pathetic. This was 4 years in the making, not 4 months, culminating in misinformation, disinformation and withholding of information in the lead up to the election. Why does the world most technologically-advanced nation insist on routine mail in voting and no ID even when there is no pandemic- when 80% of Europe doesn't? Idiot. Every single audit showed vote counts on the electronic machines matched the paper copies that were printed off when you voted and handed them over. Barr said there was nothing wrong with the election. Multiple Republican governors said there was nothing wrong with the election. Every independent organisation said there was nothing wrong with the election. Postal votes were signature matched. Where signatures didn't match a Republican, a Democrat and an independent would scrutinise the envelopes and accept it or not. There were actually more steps than this but it varies across states. Trump spouted over 20 000 lies during his 4 year term and you talk about misinformation. Meanwhile nearly 400 000 people are dead and still the orange fucking clown refuses to believe it's serious. There is something seriously wrong with you. You need to get off whatever you're on. I suggest if you want to know the facts, you should look at the source documents themselves and not what is reported by Trumps team or Biden’s team or the mainstream media. The facts from source documents show massive voter irregularities. As an example check Wayne County Michigan, which encompasses Detroit. If you search the US Census, the Wayne County, Michigan State and other websites you can see that there were more votes cast in Wayne County than there are eligible citizens over the age of 18. That is a fact, and it in itself is a massive problem. At first when I started researching some of the census data and other government websites and documents and saw how many major irregularities there were, I just thought the election was just the worst run election in modern history, full of mistakes and errors, but these incidents all seem to go against Trump and I’ve formed the view that there was fraud involved. In reality, I think it was on a massive scale and that’s actually what’s allowed it to work because the USA as a nation state could not survive if the truth was told. There would be a civil war. I think moderate republican representatives realise this and are willing to foregoing 4 years of power, and get rid of Trump and so are willingly accepting the fraud for what they perceive as the greater good. I assumed in Detroit they settled all debates via crowd applause? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJOJO_EoqfE
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+x+x+x+xIt's also ridiculous for people to defend Trump's speech that day (the exact wording of which can be argued either way) but ignore the premeditated MONTHS of false claims about the election. That's the cause of this. Not just one speech by a bunch of desperate clowns hiding behind glass pretending to be men of the people. I doubt even Enzo or Rusty would say they believe that tens of thousands of votes in various states were stolen or faked. That's why rusty wasn't here for 2 months. All normal headed people know it was a lie and saw it coming, mainly because Trump and his people told us they were going to do it for crying out loud aha Republicans humoured him, allowing him his "harmless day in court" (60odd times) and this, and what's to come, is the direct result of these blatant lies. To turn around and say, well some of the mob were just there for a laugh (true) and that other protests in history have had violent elements (true) and ignore the LIES that happened over the last few months that led huge chunks of the country to believe an election was stolen is idiotic. Being willing to defend that lying and attempts to bring into question the democratic process just because that "side" or "man" is on your side when your feelings are hurt and you're scared that all boys will be girls soon, men can marry men, women can have abortions and that beating a woman is seen as bad even though she belittled you for years is just pathetic. This was 4 years in the making, not 4 months, culminating in misinformation, disinformation and withholding of information in the lead up to the election. Why does the world most technologically-advanced nation insist on routine mail in voting and no ID even when there is no pandemic- when 80% of Europe doesn't? Idiot. Every single audit showed vote counts on the electronic machines matched the paper copies that were printed off when you voted and handed them over. Barr said there was nothing wrong with the election. Multiple Republican governors said there was nothing wrong with the election. Every independent organisation said there was nothing wrong with the election. Postal votes were signature matched. Where signatures didn't match a Republican, a Democrat and an independent would scrutinise the envelopes and accept it or not. There were actually more steps than this but it varies across states. Trump spouted over 20 000 lies during his 4 year term and you talk about misinformation. Meanwhile nearly 400 000 people are dead and still the orange fucking clown refuses to believe it's serious. There is something seriously wrong with you. You need to get off whatever you're on. I suggest if you want to know the facts, you should look at the source documents themselves and not what is reported by Trumps team or Biden’s team or the mainstream media. The facts from source documents show massive voter irregularities. As an example check Wayne County Michigan, which encompasses Detroit. If you search the US Census, the Wayne County, Michigan State and other websites you can see that there were more votes cast in Wayne County than there are eligible citizens over the age of 18. That is a fact, and it in itself is a massive problem. At first when I started researching some of the census data and other government websites and documents and saw how many major irregularities there were, I just thought the election was just the worst run election in modern history, full of mistakes and errors, but these incidents all seem to go against Trump and I’ve formed the view that there was fraud involved. In reality, I think it was on a massive scale and that’s actually what’s allowed it to work because the USA as a nation state could not survive if the truth was told. There would be a civil war. I think moderate republican representatives realise this and are willing to foregoing 4 years of power, and get rid of Trump and so are willingly accepting the fraud for what they perceive as the greater good. Can you post your links? These are the two that I have: https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/waynecountymichiganhttps://www.waynecounty.com/elected/clerk/election-results.aspx
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+x+xIt's also ridiculous for people to defend Trump's speech that day (the exact wording of which can be argued either way) but ignore the premeditated MONTHS of false claims about the election. That's the cause of this. Not just one speech by a bunch of desperate clowns hiding behind glass pretending to be men of the people. I doubt even Enzo or Rusty would say they believe that tens of thousands of votes in various states were stolen or faked. That's why rusty wasn't here for 2 months. All normal headed people know it was a lie and saw it coming, mainly because Trump and his people told us they were going to do it for crying out loud aha Republicans humoured him, allowing him his "harmless day in court" (60odd times) and this, and what's to come, is the direct result of these blatant lies. To turn around and say, well some of the mob were just there for a laugh (true) and that other protests in history have had violent elements (true) and ignore the LIES that happened over the last few months that led huge chunks of the country to believe an election was stolen is idiotic. Being willing to defend that lying and attempts to bring into question the democratic process just because that "side" or "man" is on your side when your feelings are hurt and you're scared that all boys will be girls soon, men can marry men, women can have abortions and that beating a woman is seen as bad even though she belittled you for years is just pathetic. Well said. (The last paragraph particularly accurate.) lol. you are such fuckwit and you dont even know it. your focus on the last päragraph reveals everything about you. just because being a homo, aborting babies and making ii ok to being domestically abused by your wife is important to you, you actually think it is for everyone else as well. its not. its pieces of shit like you that have destroyed the western world with your divisiveness, racism, gender and identity politics. that's why you are in opposition for 20 out of 26 years here in Australia and with a massive shift from the working class already happening add another 4.
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+x+x+x+xIt's also ridiculous for people to defend Trump's speech that day (the exact wording of which can be argued either way) but ignore the premeditated MONTHS of false claims about the election. That's the cause of this. Not just one speech by a bunch of desperate clowns hiding behind glass pretending to be men of the people. I doubt even Enzo or Rusty would say they believe that tens of thousands of votes in various states were stolen or faked. That's why rusty wasn't here for 2 months. All normal headed people know it was a lie and saw it coming, mainly because Trump and his people told us they were going to do it for crying out loud aha Republicans humoured him, allowing him his "harmless day in court" (60odd times) and this, and what's to come, is the direct result of these blatant lies. To turn around and say, well some of the mob were just there for a laugh (true) and that other protests in history have had violent elements (true) and ignore the LIES that happened over the last few months that led huge chunks of the country to believe an election was stolen is idiotic. Being willing to defend that lying and attempts to bring into question the democratic process just because that "side" or "man" is on your side when your feelings are hurt and you're scared that all boys will be girls soon, men can marry men, women can have abortions and that beating a woman is seen as bad even though she belittled you for years is just pathetic. This was 4 years in the making, not 4 months, culminating in misinformation, disinformation and withholding of information in the lead up to the election. Why does the world most technologically-advanced nation insist on routine mail in voting and no ID even when there is no pandemic- when 80% of Europe doesn't? Idiot. Every single audit showed vote counts on the electronic machines matched the paper copies that were printed off when you voted and handed them over. Barr said there was nothing wrong with the election. Multiple Republican governors said there was nothing wrong with the election. Every independent organisation said there was nothing wrong with the election. Postal votes were signature matched. Where signatures didn't match a Republican, a Democrat and an independent would scrutinise the envelopes and accept it or not. There were actually more steps than this but it varies across states. Trump spouted over 20 000 lies during his 4 year term and you talk about misinformation. Meanwhile nearly 400 000 people are dead and still the orange fucking clown refuses to believe it's serious. There is something seriously wrong with you. You need to get off whatever you're on. I suggest if you want to know the facts, you should look at the source documents themselves and not what is reported by Trumps team or Biden’s team or the mainstream media. The facts from source documents show massive voter irregularities. As an example check Wayne County Michigan, which encompasses Detroit. If you search the US Census, the Wayne County, Michigan State and other websites you can see that there were more votes cast in Wayne County than there are eligible citizens over the age of 18. That is a fact, and it in itself is a massive problem. At first when I started researching some of the census data and other government websites and documents and saw how many major irregularities there were, I just thought the election was just the worst run election in modern history, full of mistakes and errors, but these incidents all seem to go against Trump and I’ve formed the view that there was fraud involved. In reality, I think it was on a massive scale and that’s actually what’s allowed it to work because the USA as a nation state could not survive if the truth was told. There would be a civil war. I think moderate republican representatives realise this and are willing to foregoing 4 years of power, and get rid of Trump and so are willingly accepting the fraud for what they perceive as the greater good. So why did the courts throw out all the cases (bar like one based on watcher distances)? -PB
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