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This thread is a good demonstration of the best and the worst that FFT has to offer. Azza's posts are always an interesting and balanced read while Ricey's couldn't be more different.
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AzzaMarch wrote:mcjules wrote:Azza, I like what you're doing because I don't have a huge interest in US domestic politics outside of elections (I guess I'm a bit of a hobby psephologist) but your posts are pretty insightful.
I think you may already know this but the joker you're dealing with was pretending to be a Sanders supporting SJW only a few weeks ago. He has no interest in doing anything but make hysterical comments and draw people into long winded thread battles. Thanks for the tip McJules! :) :) :) I just worked that out from his response to my last post hahaha At least he's posting a few more sentences than he used to. Even if it's the same thing over and over. It's not bad as a bit of practice for the thrust and parry of real debates but as I said 3 of his personas ago, it's like practising hitting a tennis ball against the wall. It's a good start but will only get you so far :) :) :)
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Obama's and Clinton's legacy Democrat supporters obviously want more of this... [youtube]1CJCyO-CJAA[/youtube] [youtube]FmIRYvJQeHM[/youtube]   http://www.energyfuse.org/isis-in-libya/Gaddafi was tortured, sodomized and murdered in the street by these Islamist animals that the Obama administration enabled by its bombing campaign and arms support and training. Similar thing happened to the embassy officials in the Benghazi raid. This is why Hillary Clinton should be in jail. The entire foreign policy and military strategy here was authorised by the Obama administration. There is no getting away from that. He is the commander in chief. Edited by TheFactOfTheMatter: 23/2/2016 05:39:06 PM
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If Trump does as well in super tuesday as the polls suggest, he's all-but-assured the nomination. http://www.businessinsider.com.au/donald-trump-polls-states-super-tuesday-2016-2?r=US&IR=T
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JP
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:lol: The general election is going to be so much fun.
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TheFactOfTheMatter
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JP wrote::lol: The general election is going to be so much fun. Looking forward to the coronation of Lady McDeath are you?
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JP wrote::lol: The general election is going to be so much fun. If you actually read my post, you'd know I was referring to the republican nomination :) And yes, it will be fun watching Trump tear Shillary to shreds on her ties to Wall St., her silencing of Bill's sexual abuse victims, her email scandal and her destabilisation of the Middle East and Libya. Edited by 433: 23/2/2016 06:52:22 PM
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433 wrote:JP wrote::lol: The general election is going to be so much fun. If you actually read my post, you'd know I was referring to the republican nomination :) Yep. My point is the general election is going to be highly entertaining if Trump does win the nomination.
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Will be entertaining seeing Trump hold Hillary to account for her crimes by bringing them to the attention of mainstream audiences.
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I have Trump winning 8 of the 11 super Tuesday states, Cruz 2 and Rubio 1. But the delegates are more or less proportional to vote percentage so I'm guessing based on the states on hand, by the end of the day Trump will be on 350, Cruz on 240 and Rubio on 130. You need 1237 to get the nomination or its a brokered convention. Now that would be interesting
We'll see how close I get :)
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Trump will be very hard to stop from here unless it becomes a two person race.
I'm actually coming around to the idea that he could do okay in a general election. His brash and uncompromising delivery will appeal to some white working class voters, especially in places that the recovery has not reached.
If Hillary is on the democratic ticket there's also a big opening for him to play the anti-establishment card.
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Lastbroadcast wrote:Trump will be very hard to stop from here unless it becomes a two person race.
I'm actually coming around to the idea that he could do okay in a general election. His brash and uncompromising delivery will appeal to some white working class voters, especially in places that the recovery has not reached.
If Hillary is on the democratic ticket there's also a big opening for him to play the anti-establishment card. Only a small percentage of the American electorate actually votes in the primaries. Trump's biggest obstacle is plausibility (or lack thereof). Unless he gets a personality transplant and somehow starts acting vaguely Presidential, middle America will look at his behaviour and his lack of experience and will flock to Hillary as the election nears. Latino turnout would also surge, to the Democrats' obvious benefit. It could very possibly be a landslide of FDR/LBJ proportions.
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Eastern Glory
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If you don't accept Trump's brutal truths, then you're kidding yourself about life in the 21st century.
As long as he has people around him to advise him, he's the man the world needs.
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JP wrote:Lastbroadcast wrote:Trump will be very hard to stop from here unless it becomes a two person race.
I'm actually coming around to the idea that he could do okay in a general election. His brash and uncompromising delivery will appeal to some white working class voters, especially in places that the recovery has not reached.
If Hillary is on the democratic ticket there's also a big opening for him to play the anti-establishment card. Only a small percentage of the American electorate actually votes in the primaries. Trump's biggest obstacle is plausibility (or lack thereof). Unless he gets a personality transplant and somehow starts acting vaguely Presidential, middle America will look at his behaviour and his lack of experience and will flock to Hillary as the election nears. Latino turnout would also surge, to the Democrats' obvious benefit. It could very possibly be a landslide of FDR/LBJ proportions. Wow you're such a parrot of media bullshit. "acting Presidential" what kind of crap is this? Lack of experience? What experience has Hillary Clinton had other than her disastrous time as secretary of state where she didnt broker anything and was hated by diplomats the world over. Illegals cant vote remember. You assume all latinos are against Trump. Quite a number of them are for him because they entered the country legally. Here's your woman acting presidential... [youtube]WovYnLL9Yow[/youtube]
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Eastern Glory wrote:If you don't accept Trump's brutal truths, then you're kidding yourself about life in the 21st century.
As long as he has people around him to advise him, he's the man the world needs. Prioritising 'brutal truths' over policy is exactly why politics is going to shit. Leadership is not about personality, it's about substance. Trump has nothing. He's all bluster and bravado, riding on the insecurities of what used to be 'middle America' for one massive ego trip. He's not offering solutions - he's just insisting that we ignore the details and blindly trust that he's going to get it right once he gets to the White House. This is a bloke who last year insisted that he had a genius plan to defeat ISIS but refused to reveal it. It's amazing that so many people are gullible enough to buy his bullshit, but that's America for you.
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JP wrote:Eastern Glory wrote:If you don't accept Trump's brutal truths, then you're kidding yourself about life in the 21st century.
As long as he has people around him to advise him, he's the man the world needs. Prioritising 'brutal truths' over policy is exactly why politics is going to shit. Leadership is not about personality, it's about substance. Trump has nothing. He's all bluster and bravado, riding on the insecurities of what used to be 'middle America' for one massive ego trip. He's not offering solutions - he's just insisting that we ignore the details and blindly trust that he's going to get it right once he gets to the White House. This is a bloke who last year insisted that he had a genius plan to defeat ISIS but refused to reveal it. It's amazing that so many people are gullible enough to buy his bullshit, but that's America for you. He's a populist. Populism appeals to simpletons. Maybe he could use 'Stop. The. Boats.' type slogans. Actually, I bet he will......
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JP wrote:Eastern Glory wrote:If you don't accept Trump's brutal truths, then you're kidding yourself about life in the 21st century.
As long as he has people around him to advise him, he's the man the world needs. Prioritising 'brutal truths' over policy is exactly why politics is going to shit. Leadership is not about personality, it's about substance. Trump has nothing. He's all bluster and bravado, riding on the insecurities of what used to be 'middle America' for one massive ego trip. He's not offering solutions - he's just insisting that we ignore the details and blindly trust that he's going to get it right once he gets to the White House. This is a bloke who last year insisted that he had a genius plan to defeat ISIS but refused to reveal it. It's amazing that so many people are gullible enough to buy his bullshit, but that's America for you. But he is offering solutions. You're just not listening. Or maybe you cant hear from your vantage point inside your anal cavity?
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Trump has touted his own strength is deal making and fiscal conservatism. He has the runs on the board to prove this. Even his campaign, he's spending all his own money, not other people's and he's spent a fraction of his opponents. Meanwhile Jeb Bush burns $150 million of other people's money on his campaign and drops out a complete failure. How can he be trusted to be fiscally conservative???
From a moral standpoint I think Trump is leaps and bounds ahead of any other candidate barring Rand Paul on foreign policy.
Who and why would anyone support the continuing the corruption that is campaign financing servicing Wall Street interests ahead of the population?
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11.mvfc.11 wrote:The way US politics is structured neccesatates a powerful, charismatic leader more than a policy maker. If policy was Trump's game he would become a senator or congressman. ... or a Governor, just like virtually every President in history was only elected to office after serving as one of those three things. Trump treats policy as irrelevant, and if you think policy is irrelevant when it comes to the Presidency then you've totally misunderstood the structure of US politics.
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TheFactOfTheMatter wrote:Trump has touted his own strength is deal making and fiscal conservatism. He has the runs on the board to prove this. :lol: Now I know you're taking the piss Ricey. A page ago you were hailing him for his protectionist stance. He's basically in favour of universal healthcare. He's about as fiscally conservative as Hillary.
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11.mvfc.11 wrote:JP wrote:11.mvfc.11 wrote:The way US politics is structured neccesatates a powerful, charismatic leader more than a policy maker. If policy was Trump's game he would become a senator or congressman. ... or a Governor, just like virtually every President in history was only elected to office after serving as one of those three things. Trump treats policy as irrelevant, and if you think policy is irrelevant when it comes to the Presidency then you've totally misunderstood the structure of US politics. I don't think it's irrelevant, I just don't discount his politics as irrevelant and continue to blindly hate the guy. At first I had my reservations about his motives and potential, now there is no question he is the best candidate for the job. I don't blindly hate him, he's amusing to me more than anything. Even if you agree with his populist message it should still be abundantly clear that he has neither the temperament nor the experience to be President.
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JP wrote:TheFactOfTheMatter wrote:Trump has touted his own strength is deal making and fiscal conservatism. He has the runs on the board to prove this. :lol: Now I know you're taking the piss Ricey. A page ago you were hailing him for his protectionist stance. He's basically in favour of universal healthcare. He's about as fiscally conservative as Hillary. You really are clueless on his health insurance policy. He want to open up competition and provide flexible insurance. It wont be monopolized by one or a cabal of insurance companies that happened to support the campaign of the Obama administration.
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JP wrote:11.mvfc.11 wrote:JP wrote:11.mvfc.11 wrote:The way US politics is structured neccesatates a powerful, charismatic leader more than a policy maker. If policy was Trump's game he would become a senator or congressman. ... or a Governor, just like virtually every President in history was only elected to office after serving as one of those three things. Trump treats policy as irrelevant, and if you think policy is irrelevant when it comes to the Presidency then you've totally misunderstood the structure of US politics. I don't think it's irrelevant, I just don't discount his politics as irrevelant and continue to blindly hate the guy. At first I had my reservations about his motives and potential, now there is no question he is the best candidate for the job. I don't blindly hate him, he's amusing to me more than anything. Even if you agree with his populist message it should still be abundantly clear that he has neither the temperament nor the experience to be President. Who has the experience to be President other than the president? :roll: Obama was a fucken lawyer and a short term senator. He'd never governed anything. Senators dont govern. Trump has at least run a company employing 10,000 people. Edited by TheFactOfTheMatter: 24/2/2016 12:37:44 AM
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Establishment will back Kasich and Rubio but they've both got problems. We're going to find out in the next 6 months how much protection Hillary Clinton really has.
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JP wrote:Eastern Glory wrote:If you don't accept Trump's brutal truths, then you're kidding yourself about life in the 21st century.
As long as he has people around him to advise him, he's the man the world needs. Prioritising 'brutal truths' over policy is exactly why politics is going to shit. Leadership is not about personality, it's about substance. Trump has nothing. He's all bluster and bravado, riding on the insecurities of what used to be 'middle America' for one massive ego trip. He's not offering solutions - he's just insisting that we ignore the details and blindly trust that he's going to get it right once he gets to the White House. This is a bloke who last year insisted that he had a genius plan to defeat ISIS but refused to reveal it. It's amazing that so many people are gullible enough to buy his bullshit, but that's America for you. :lol: :lol: :lol: I'm totally kidding dude
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The funniest thing I find about right wingers is their simplistic thinking that running a country is effectively the same as running a business.
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Eastern Glory wrote:JP wrote:Eastern Glory wrote:If you don't accept Trump's brutal truths, then you're kidding yourself about life in the 21st century.
As long as he has people around him to advise him, he's the man the world needs. Prioritising 'brutal truths' over policy is exactly why politics is going to shit. Leadership is not about personality, it's about substance. Trump has nothing. He's all bluster and bravado, riding on the insecurities of what used to be 'middle America' for one massive ego trip. He's not offering solutions - he's just insisting that we ignore the details and blindly trust that he's going to get it right once he gets to the White House. This is a bloke who last year insisted that he had a genius plan to defeat ISIS but refused to reveal it. It's amazing that so many people are gullible enough to buy his bullshit, but that's America for you. :lol: :lol: :lol: I'm totally kidding dude :lol: Fair play. When I saw you post it my initial reaction was 'this doesn't seem like the kind of view EG would have' but I went for it anyway.
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Nevada caucus today. Stand by for more burn from the dopes on fourfourtwo.
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TheFactOfTheMatter wrote:Nevada caucus today. Stand by for more burn from the dopes on fourfourtwo. k -PB
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TheFactOfTheMatter wrote:Nevada caucus today. Stand by for more burn from the dopes on fourfourtwo.
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