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JP wrote:433 wrote:If you think Trump is running on the back of the Tea Party and the "extreme right" then you have no clue. If anything, Cruz represents the extreme right - look at his reprehensible views on gay marriage, abortion and his flat tax proposal.
No, Trump is instead forging a new GOP. It is not Tea Party/Evangelical ultra-conservatism and it is not Bush-republicanism. Rather, this Trump GOP is a nationalist party with a populist message to the working class. There is massive crossover between the Tea Party and Trump supporters. If anything this election has proven that the Tea Party movement was widely misunderstood - its focus wasn't necessarily on the religious values and "constitutionalism" that Ted Cruz focusses on, it was about nationalism and "reclaiming" what they perceived to be old America. Completely wrong. The tea party movement was about limiting the size of government, which a Trump government is the opposite too. While Trump's idea is to cut taxes, he definitely has an authoritarian streak to him which is NOT what the Tea Party was about. Trump's popularity is due to a revolt of the Republican rank-and-file who rightly feel they've been betrayed by the globalists inside the party - those who support shitty free trade deals (TPP, NAFTA), mass migration, amnesty, h1b visas and the diminishing of European culture in America. These serve to both drive down wages and displace Americans out of work.
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imonfourfourtwo wrote:433 wrote:Good wins for Trump today in Michigan and Mississippi, and a surprising upset in Hawaii.
Rubio is completely fucked, the "establishment coalescing" that people were assuring us would happen has not transpired.
Yeah no hope for Rubio now. This time next week, Trump will be the Republican nominee. Suddenly all those who have been speaking out against him within the party will have a choice to either back him in or see Hillary win. The country will go into meltdown. it not possible that Trump will be Republican nominee by this time next week...he has to win 3 times as many delegates as he has now ...Trump has 461 delegates now, he needs 1237
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433 wrote:If you think Trump is running on the back of the Tea Party and the "extreme right" then you have no clue. If anything, Cruz represents the extreme right - look at his reprehensible views on gay marriage, abortion and his flat tax proposal.
No, Trump is instead forging a new GOP. It is not Tea Party/Evangelical ultra-conservatism and it is not Bush-republicanism. Rather, this Trump GOP is a nationalist party with a populist message to the working class. I have read some interesting articles on this very issue. Is this "new republican voter alliance" specific to Trump? Will it dissipate once he leaves the scene? Or is this truly a restructuring event - similar to the Republican sweep of the south in the civil rights era? I think it is still an open question.
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433 wrote:JP wrote:433 wrote:If you think Trump is running on the back of the Tea Party and the "extreme right" then you have no clue. If anything, Cruz represents the extreme right - look at his reprehensible views on gay marriage, abortion and his flat tax proposal.
No, Trump is instead forging a new GOP. It is not Tea Party/Evangelical ultra-conservatism and it is not Bush-republicanism. Rather, this Trump GOP is a nationalist party with a populist message to the working class. There is massive crossover between the Tea Party and Trump supporters. If anything this election has proven that the Tea Party movement was widely misunderstood - its focus wasn't necessarily on the religious values and "constitutionalism" that Ted Cruz focusses on, it was about nationalism and "reclaiming" what they perceived to be old America. Completely wrong. The tea party movement was about limiting the size of government, which a Trump government is the opposite too. While Trump's idea is to cut taxes, he definitely has an authoritarian streak to him which is NOT what the Tea Party was about. Trump's popularity is due to a revolt of the Republican rank-and-file who rightly feel they've been betrayed by the globalists inside the party - those who support shitty free trade deals (TPP, NAFTA), mass migration, amnesty, h1b visas and the diminishing of European culture in America. These serve to both drive down wages and displace Americans out of work. I think you are right as to the reasons for Trump's success. But I disagree that the free trade deals are "shitty". The problem is that the gains of globalisation are diffused throughout the whole population. Whereas the losses due to globalisation are industry and often geographically specific. The net effect of globalisation has been great for the USA. However, the govt has been criminally negligent for decades regarding assistance to those who have lost out.
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adrtho wrote:imonfourfourtwo wrote:433 wrote:Good wins for Trump today in Michigan and Mississippi, and a surprising upset in Hawaii.
Rubio is completely fucked, the "establishment coalescing" that people were assuring us would happen has not transpired.
Yeah no hope for Rubio now. This time next week, Trump will be the Republican nominee. Suddenly all those who have been speaking out against him within the party will have a choice to either back him in or see Hillary win. The country will go into meltdown. it not possible that Trump will be Republican nominee by this time next week...he has to win 3 times as many delegates as he has now ...Trump has 461 delegates now, he needs 1237 Trump could be 300 delegates ahead by next week thanks to the winner take all system, with big states in the North-East that favour Trump (New York, Pensylvania etc) still to come.
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AzzaMarch wrote:433 wrote:JP wrote:433 wrote:If you think Trump is running on the back of the Tea Party and the "extreme right" then you have no clue. If anything, Cruz represents the extreme right - look at his reprehensible views on gay marriage, abortion and his flat tax proposal.
No, Trump is instead forging a new GOP. It is not Tea Party/Evangelical ultra-conservatism and it is not Bush-republicanism. Rather, this Trump GOP is a nationalist party with a populist message to the working class. There is massive crossover between the Tea Party and Trump supporters. If anything this election has proven that the Tea Party movement was widely misunderstood - its focus wasn't necessarily on the religious values and "constitutionalism" that Ted Cruz focusses on, it was about nationalism and "reclaiming" what they perceived to be old America. Completely wrong. The tea party movement was about limiting the size of government, which a Trump government is the opposite too. While Trump's idea is to cut taxes, he definitely has an authoritarian streak to him which is NOT what the Tea Party was about. Trump's popularity is due to a revolt of the Republican rank-and-file who rightly feel they've been betrayed by the globalists inside the party - those who support shitty free trade deals (TPP, NAFTA), mass migration, amnesty, h1b visas and the diminishing of European culture in America. These serve to both drive down wages and displace Americans out of work. I think you are right as to the reasons for Trump's success. But I disagree that the free trade deals are "shitty". The problem is that the gains of globalisation are diffused throughout the whole population. Whereas the losses due to globalisation are industry and often geographically specific. The net effect of globalisation has been great for the USA. However, the govt has been criminally negligent for decades regarding assistance to those who have lost out. Sure we get cheap goods, but when jobs are being shipped overseas and replaced in Amerixa by illegals/h1bs/h2bs, who is benefiting besides those at the top? Globalisation is a race to the bottom of wages and benefits, mainly due to the equalisation of living standards between us and the third world.
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433 wrote:AzzaMarch wrote:433 wrote:JP wrote:433 wrote:If you think Trump is running on the back of the Tea Party and the "extreme right" then you have no clue. If anything, Cruz represents the extreme right - look at his reprehensible views on gay marriage, abortion and his flat tax proposal.
No, Trump is instead forging a new GOP. It is not Tea Party/Evangelical ultra-conservatism and it is not Bush-republicanism. Rather, this Trump GOP is a nationalist party with a populist message to the working class. There is massive crossover between the Tea Party and Trump supporters. If anything this election has proven that the Tea Party movement was widely misunderstood - its focus wasn't necessarily on the religious values and "constitutionalism" that Ted Cruz focusses on, it was about nationalism and "reclaiming" what they perceived to be old America. Completely wrong. The tea party movement was about limiting the size of government, which a Trump government is the opposite too. While Trump's idea is to cut taxes, he definitely has an authoritarian streak to him which is NOT what the Tea Party was about. Trump's popularity is due to a revolt of the Republican rank-and-file who rightly feel they've been betrayed by the globalists inside the party - those who support shitty free trade deals (TPP, NAFTA), mass migration, amnesty, h1b visas and the diminishing of European culture in America. These serve to both drive down wages and displace Americans out of work. I think you are right as to the reasons for Trump's success. But I disagree that the free trade deals are "shitty". The problem is that the gains of globalisation are diffused throughout the whole population. Whereas the losses due to globalisation are industry and often geographically specific. The net effect of globalisation has been great for the USA. However, the govt has been criminally negligent for decades regarding assistance to those who have lost out. Sure we get cheap goods, but when jobs are being shipped overseas and replaced in Amerixa by illegals/h1bs/h2bs, who is benefiting besides those at the top? Globalisation is a race to the bottom of wages and benefits, mainly due to the equalisation of living standards between us and the third world. That perspective ignores the fact that economic growth is not a zero sum game. It is a "plus-plus" game. Increasing wealth in poor countries does not require declining wealth in rich countries. The USA is richer than it has ever been. The issue is distribution of that wealth. An expensive education system, and lack of govt assistance in rustbelt states is the problem. The US is the worlds most advanced large economy. Manufacturing is a legacy industry that was in inevitable decline. Globalisation hurried that process along. Growth in economies like Australia & the USA comes from technology, information and services (health, finance, banking etc). Some high end manufacturing can be part of that (see Germany) but it is not going to be generic car manufacturing for example.
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Madness at a Trump rally, fuck Bernie supporters.
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433 wrote:Madness at a Trump rally, fuck Bernie supporters. Yep, white Trump fanboy physically assaulting a black man. Par for the course.
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433 wrote:Madness at a Trump rally, fuck Bernie supporters. They were Hillary supporters :lol:
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Prosecutor wrote:433 wrote:Madness at a Trump rally, fuck Bernie supporters. They were Hillary supporters :lol: You mean the people chanting Bernie? Those Hillary supporters? https://twitter.com/TinaSfon/status/708481862801317890https://archive.is/bNWuIEdited by 433: 12/3/2016 02:14:49 PM
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Yep, confirmed by /r/hillaryclinton. Dirty games being played by the DNC Ill tell you that. Edited by prosecutor: 12/3/2016 06:22:32 PM
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While I sympathise completely with the protestors, I actually think protesting Trump's rallies will backfire. If there's one thing that will help an authoritarian strongman, it's chaos and violence.
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Prosecutor wrote:Yep, confirmed by /r/hillaryclinton. Dirty games being played by the DNC Ill tell you that. Edited by prosecutor: 12/3/2016 06:22:32 PM So you're suggesting that Hillary paid thousands of people to go protest and instigate violence :lol: :lol: :lol:
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:lol: So many dumbcunts in this thread.
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433 wrote:Prosecutor wrote:Yep, confirmed by /r/hillaryclinton. Dirty games being played by the DNC Ill tell you that. Edited by prosecutor: 12/3/2016 06:22:32 PM So you're suggesting that Hillary paid thousands of people to go protest and instigate violence :lol: :lol: :lol: No; rather it was a mixture of both.
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Anyone who genuinely supports any Republican candidate really needs to re-evaluate where they are in life.
It takes an incredible leap of stupidity.
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Quote:DONALD Trump’s rally in Dayton, Ohio, took a dramatic turn overnight when a crowd member tried to rush the stage, throwing an object, causing Secret Service agents to form a wall around the Republican frontrunner. http://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/donald-trump-fan-john-mcgraw-we-might-have-to-kill-protester/news-story/ccaa48ebc553c7bbbb2d8cb496faab66Things are getting nasty now, time to roll out Monty Brewster as a candidate, well at least the philosophy he had :lol: [youtube]MOwesWn3vU4[/youtube]
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So you incite racism and anti social behaviour and then play the victim when the then incited people react
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JP wrote:Anyone who genuinely supports any Republican candidate really needs to re-evaluate where they are in life.
It takes an incredible leap of stupidity. [youtube]IFqVNPwsLNo[/youtube] [youtube]3Qrlnn35gBo[/youtube]
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Trump rally attendee wrote:I was very excited to go and headed up to Chicago and arrived at the event around 2:00 pm. Parking in the garage next to the event, I walked over and was directed by police a different way due to the crowds of protesters that were right outside. I had to walk to the other side of the large parking garage to get onto the street to join the other attendees.
As I got into the line, I started talking with other people in line near me and really enjoyed hearing their reasons for supporting Donald Trump and why they wanted to be here at his rally. The line wrapped around the building and continued growing while we stood there. Doors were to open at 3pm. People that I spoke to were very friendly, some were small business owners, college students and other occupations.
I noticed three young men in white t-shirts that they had written on with a black marker. Their shirts said that they were Muslim and were suddenly being interviewed by a TV station.
Going through security, I noticed quite a mix in the population in line at each Secret Service checkpoint. People were laughing and happy to be at the event and were eager to get inside.
When I walked in, I was surprised that I was able to go to the from area near Trump’s podium was on stage. I was about 12 people from the front of the stage initially when I got in there. During the next few hours, a group of younger people dressed in black outfits and acting very determined, kept being very pushy to get farther up to the stage area.
I even had joked that they were so tall that I could not see the stage well anymore. I was holding a Trump sign and stood there talking with other people who were sharing their stories.
When I smiled at several of those people now right next to me who were acting “odd”. I heard the one girl say, “Wow! Now the world is going to know me! I’m gonna be famous!” Since we were so close to the cameras from the new stations, I thought she meant because of that. She ended up being part of a group of about 20 young people who joined arms and pulled out rolled up clothes that they had hidden in their stuff and started yelling at the crowd around me. This happened right after they announced that the event was being canceled. They held on to each other and were yelling at the other people there very rudely.
I was able to get to the very front of the rally area once people were told no rally was going to happen. The crowd cried out in disbelief.
After waiting till around 6:25 to cancel the event, people at first thought it was a joke…or that they would get the unruly protesters out of the building …and then continue the rally. When I turned around while at the very front line by the stage now, I saw the guy rush for the stage and get stopped..while he kept trying to wrestle out of the grip of the Secret Service agents. The crowd around me looked on in disbelief as this guy kept trying to get out of their grip again and again! I thanked the Agents for keeping all of us safe tonight and told him what I recognized him from the Florida Trump rally last week as one of the guys who removed the idiots who were doing the gang signs, feeding each other, flipping the camera off and saying cuss words and more!
Another announcement was made telling people they needed to leave the event. I wanted to see what would continue to happen and I watched as more protesters said loud and angry things to the rally attendees.
As the police continued to direct the flow up the stairs and outside the building, I saw the enormous crowds outside and saw the lights and heard the screams and name calling!
The police tried to provide a barrier for us to walk away from the protesters but some chose to call us names..even one in a plastic Obama mask! I could not believe the cuss words they used towards us..for having come to a political rally for our candidate.
Once I got into the parking garage, I was stuck in there with all the other drivers for over an hour as the protesters were successful in blocking us in! We were “hostages” of those idiots.
I took video from the 3rd floor at my car looking down at the protesters. A police man told me to get away from the edge since they had people throwing bottles at the cars already.
The protesters still screamed and called us names as each car finally was able to leave the parking garage!. The police lines were very thick and also included police on horses. As I drove through that gauntlet, I was scared not knowing if my car would be a target and they tried to intimidate everyone!
I had several protesters run up to my car and threaten me at the stop light right past where the police line ended. That was scary and I pumped the gas and drove away.
I ended up going about 25 minutes out of my usual way out of that area in Chicago..so I wouldn’t continue to be a target of those obnoxious protesters.
This chaos will not deter me. I will go to the next Trump rally when he reschedules it.
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Riceys latest multi? Srsly? -PB
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paulbagzFC wrote:Riceys latest multi?
Srsly?
-PB please respond to the points made in the videos
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paulbagzFC wrote:Riceys latest multi?
Srsly?
-PB Feel sorry for the kid. I don't think he realises how pathetic it is.
Insert Gertjan Verbeek gifs here
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LibCon wrote:paulbagzFC wrote:Riceys latest multi?
Srsly?
-PB please respond to the points made in the videos Fucking lol you one dimensional knob. Also laff at Trump getting 2spookied on stage. Nobody deserves that shit though, radicalism on both sides. -PB
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Joffa wrote:So you incite racism and anti social behaviour and then play the victim when the then incited people react Exactly right. I mean, if you go out and wear those short skirts then you're just asking to be raped. :roll:
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433 wrote:Joffa wrote:So you incite racism and anti social behaviour and then play the victim when the then incited people react Exactly right. I mean, if you go out and wear those short skirts then you're just asking to be raped. :roll: Classic strawman :oops:
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Prosecutor wrote:433 wrote:Joffa wrote:So you incite racism and anti social behaviour and then play the victim when the then incited people react Exactly right. I mean, if you go out and wear those short skirts then you're just asking to be raped. :roll: Classic strawman :oops: Victim blaming is victim blaming, regardless of the form it takes.
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