JoffaTossa
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Trump just spouted a lot of populist demagoguery to get in power & sure enough the illiterates lapped it up. Trump cares only about one thing, Trump. Since by his actions so far, everything is on the table for backtracking, I wonder if he will suddenly start accepting the science of global warming. Otherwise Tesla/Solar City (now Tesla Energy after the merger) may be taking their 30,000 jobs off shore... Regardless, Trump still remains a sociopath which is why he made his millions.
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sokorny
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+x+xOkay, but she still got smashed outside of the big cities. For those that believed Trump to he unable to bring jobs into the country, what do y'all make of today's commitment to 50 000 jobs being created thanks to a $50 billion investment by Softbank? Blokes not even president yet and he's delivering on promises. Could be a tick against his record. Wonder how much investing $50 billion into tech startups is going to help those outside big cities and in particular people in the states of Washington, California and New York though? You'd imagine a tech company that invests in startups will benefit mainly inner city areas, and particular states such as California, Washington and New York. Maybe a condition may be they have to invest in "rural" tech startups first?? (However considering they want to capitalise on Trump's promise of less regulation I doubt that anything like that would be included). It would be interesting to know what the downside is on the apparent promise of reducing regulations and corporate tax (and if he can get that through congress ... I'd imagine the federal income reserves would take a huge hit). Really depends if America needs to create jobs at the moment more so than maintain a strong national budget. I'd also be a little weary why the regulation is in there in the first place (could it be to protect employees from start ups going belly up ... I think the stat in Australia is something like 75% of new small businesses fail in the first year, and I'd imagine we have much stricter regulations than the States). As with a lot of these promises being made with Trump the devil is in the detail, and as yet there is no detail.
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+xOkay, but she still got smashed outside of the big cities. For those that believed Trump to he unable to bring jobs into the country, what do y'all make of today's commitment to 50 000 jobs being created thanks to a $50 billion investment by Softbank? Blokes not even president yet and he's delivering on promises. Could be a tick against his record. Wonder how much investing $50 billion into tech startups is going to help those outside big cities and in particular people in the states of Washington, California and New York though?
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Glory Recruit
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Trump just said on flag burning "we're gonna look at that"
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TheSelectFew
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Trump could work it into his employment stats for the next election.
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sokorny
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paulbagzFC
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So how's all the recounting going? I haven't been keeping up with it? -PB
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sokorny
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+xThere are 3 401 counties in the USA. Hillary won only 57. The electoral college is a godsend. http://www.snopes.com/trump-won-3084-of-3141-counties-clinton-won-57/
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sokorny
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+x+xSo why are people arrested for burning the Koran but not a national flag? Burning the Koran is not illegal, if anyone ever got arrested for that it'd likely be for a related crime like burning something in a public place. Just to be clear on my own personal stance on these things, I believe there should be limits to people's freedom of expression so I'm not against a discussion on whether flag burning should be illegal. However, I laugh at the hypocrisy of many that want the freedom to offend with their own pet hates but want to arrest or deport people who offend them. Some states in the USA might have similar fire ban periods such as we have in Australia too.
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"The main reason I don't want to burn the flag is because I can" Anon.
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mcjules
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+xSo why are people arrested for burning the Koran but not a national flag? Burning the Koran is not illegal, if anyone ever got arrested for that it'd likely be for a related crime like burning something in a public place. Just to be clear on my own personal stance on these things, I believe there should be limits to people's freedom of expression so I'm not against a discussion on whether flag burning should be illegal. However, I laugh at the hypocrisy of many that want the freedom to offend with their own pet hates but want to arrest or deport people who offend them.
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So why are people arrested for burning the Koran but not a national flag?
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mcjules
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Have to say I've enjoyed the reaction from China about Trump taking a phone call from Taiwan.
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+xThere are 3 401 counties in the USA. Hillary won only 57. The electoral college is a godsend. Gullible. LOL.
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TheSelectFew
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+xI agree with mcjules regarding the EC, the states are represented in the congress and senate, the president should be decided by the majority. Certaintly makes the elections more intersting though, and obviously the result of this election should stand. I dont think you should be locked up for offending people either(flag burning) just held by society as a complete fuckwit. That would give a disproportionate voice to states of higher population.
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I agree with mcjules regarding the EC, the states are represented in the congress and senate, the president should be decided by the majority. Certaintly makes the elections more intersting though, and obviously the result of this election should stand.
I dont think you should be locked up for offending people either(flag burning) just held by society as a complete fuckwit.
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+xIt's literally a piece of cloth lmao The Koran is just paper and ink. In saying that, punishment for burning the flag is ridiculous. The Boy Scouts of America burn thousands of flags every year. What are they suppose to do? Throw the flags in the bin?
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JoffaTossa
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The reason he is no longer going to "lock her up" is because he knows in the tit for tat reposnse he actually would go to prison I wonder if the $34M he has just had to fork out to silence his accusers is just the tip of the iceberg
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Interesting he's announced that he's going to pull back from all operational aspects of his companies. Wonder if he will go the whole hog and do financial as well. I highly doubt it but still, you'd think people would raise those aspects of the constitution that he could fall under if he doesn't. -PB
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JoffaTossa
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It just goes to show even in the Information Age, where there is readily available fact checking, dumb fcuks still willing gobble up shit. Hitler getting in power shouldn't be a surprise
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+x+x+xI think the lesson the Democrats can take from this election is to make up as much shit as you like and the populace will eat it up. No. How about if you have a choice between a lying crook and a deadset person who is advocating real change and not a pusher of the same shit, make the right call. No one to blame but themselves. And Trump lied no more than any other politician. If anything he was far too front about his plans. But keep trying tard. I think the problem wasn't that Trump "lied" it was just his policies were not realistic (they were rhetoric not sound policies). Now elected his tune has had to change (will those that voted for him see this as a betrayal, or simply blame the "left"?) Already we've seen him change his opinion on Obamacare ... would it been that bad for him to say pre-election that the concept is "good" but he didn't agree with the "execution"?? Instead he lambasted it, was going to repeal it etc. (all fed to a populist opinion, but did he always know that it was realistic or best?) Similarly to building a wall ... utterly pointless, and now his tune has changed (going to "improve" the existing measures). Again, could he have said a priority was to reduce illegal immigration from Mexico through law enforcement and social programs (believe he has opened dialogue with the Mexican president on this matter already post election). Trump slated that Obama was allowing criminal aliens (illegals) to stay, yet he has been one of the most proactive Presidents in recent time to address this issue (however there are issues with courts and due process to make this happen ... Trump will encounter similar issues, and local governments have already threatened to resist Trump's policies that aren't fair on the matter, e.g. NY mayor). Climate change was a "hoax" to now they need to consider their position on the matter ... again played to a populist view in America, but now in power all his scientific advisers will be telling, sorry President Trump but the scientific evidence is too strong to ignore and the economic / life risks are too great to brush aside. As President I guess he could dismiss all scientists that would advise him of the truth ... or he takes a more realistic view to things. Again couldn't he have said something along the lines that the US would not be dictated by international bodies on what to do, but that it is still a matter that as Americans we need to work on and use to our advantage to create new markets (e.g. solar panels, engineering solutions, passive house designs, clean energy etc. etc. all that could provide new jobs and open new international markets). Be interesting to see what happens with their trade tariffs and free agreements ... when his economic advisors start to inform him that Mexico is America's fourth largest trade partner, Canada their second and China their third (all in the top four importers of American goods too) will he change his tune. His pre-election talk pretty much will reduce the export dollars America would receive from all these countries. Sound business?? Again populist to believe the Mexican's / Chinese are stealing jobs etc. but another thing to actually make consumers pay more for a product that is home made, and to spend money on walls, court proceedings, infrastructure building whilst you reduce the income for that country (by reducing the export trade and income tax). Was this all part of Trump's plan though?? Pander to the masses with promises and views that were 'popular' but with little intention to actually carry through with them (or at least be more balanced in actual policies to the pre-election rhetoric)?? I will agree he didn't expect to get in. I think he was a bit shocked. I wasn't surprised. He rallied republicans whilst Clinton divided democrats. I think a lot of his policies were unsustainable and unrealistic. Nevertheless his anti war stance changed since in power for the better. I reckon he will withdraw. Let's not act as if this is the first politician to reneg on promises. I mean are we seriously going to act like that isn't a thing. As for trade I reckon he will forge stronger relations with Russia. Its telling how quickly Russia Today has changed its tune. Criticising leftist protests, singing his praises, highlighting trumps strong relationship with Putin. I was a massive fan of him over Clinton.
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People didn't believe me when I told you that Trump's win would be the biggest corporate screwover of working people since the 1920s, but looks like I was right. 70pc of Trump's cabinet picks are former wall street executives and lobbyists.
If you think right wing Nationalism is good because it's "anti-establishment", then you're going to be disappointed.
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JoffaTossa
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Can you imagine a Trump fan at a comedy gig? They would be sitting there stonefaced as the gags continually fly over their head.
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+x+x+xInb4 banned Just trying to prove a point that lefties want to be able to bun flags and live in a perpetual state of anarchy... But don't ever question the politically correct narrative! I personally don't believe you should burn your nation's flag, but should that imposed on all? I thought lefties wanted big governments? I think it should be a pretty commonly held belief that the flag is sacred. There should be nothing to be gained other than outrage over the burning of one's own identity. You can't go round lighting fires in the street, let alone use your flag as fuel. I can't believe people are defending this. Most of Europe, Asia and South America has punishments including jail time for flag desecration. The USA and Australia should join them. Flag burning should only be illegal for the simple fact of it being dangerous to light a fire in a public place. Not that its a flag that is burning. People do it simply for attention and its best to give them none. But it tends to make the news at night.
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+x+xInb4 banned Just trying to prove a point that lefties want to be able to bun flags and live in a perpetual state of anarchy... But don't ever question the politically correct narrative! I personally don't believe you should burn your nation's flag, but should that imposed on all? I thought lefties wanted big governments? The right wants small government for themselves and large government for everyone else.
For the first time, but certainly not the last, I began to believe that Arsenals moods and fortunes somehow reflected my own. - Hornby
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+xInb4 banned Just trying to prove a point that lefties want to be able to bun flags and live in a perpetual state of anarchy... But don't ever question the politically correct narrative! I personally don't believe you should burn your nation's flag, but should that imposed on all? I thought lefties wanted big governments?
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+x+x+x+x+xNothing says draining the swamp more than appointing Steven Mnuchin as Treasury secretary. Nothing says "bastion of anti-PC" and freedom of speech supporter like wanting to strip citizenship from people who burn the flag. That was a suggestion. Hillary sponsored a bill calling for the incarceration and fining of those that desecrate the flag 11 years ago. Tbh the Donald is not far from the mark on a citizenship revocation for this. The flag represents the land and the people. A lack of respect for the flag should attract a harsh penalty. Have your bullshit protests, but flag burning is disgusting. Speech that is offensive is OK as long as it isn't something that you feel is offensive. Gotcha. Burning a flag isn't speech, you pillock. You can talk as much shit as you want about the country, its government etc. but leave the flag out of it. The flag doesn't represent Trump or the government, it represents everyone who belongs to the country, living or dead. Burning the flag, American or otherwise, disrespects everyone. If you want to be technical no it isn't speech, the term "freedom of speech" is often used interchangeably with "freedom of expression" which clearly flag burning is. The rest of what you wrote just shows clear hypocrisy but I'm not in the slightest surprised.
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I disagree with most of those points, but I support your right to express them. Why do you still think I'm a Uni SJW?
For the first time, but certainly not the last, I began to believe that Arsenals moods and fortunes somehow reflected my own. - Hornby
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+x+xIt's literally a piece of cloth lmao Seeing as we are all on the free speech train here then: All Muslims are backwards savages The holocaust didn't happen the way they taught you 9/11 was an inside job Cmon guys, its literally just typed character on a computer screen lmao Ignorance is bliss you forgot
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