UK General Election 2015


UK General Election 2015

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IMO opinion this is one of the most interesting elections in a long time, particularly under a Westminster system. It's really got everything happening and is going to be extremely interesting to see where things head.


What we've seen:


- Labour and Conservatives are neck to neck

- Cameron's refusal to debate head to head with Ed Miliband

- Lib Dems likely to cop it for their role in the coalition

-The mobilisation of the Scottish Nationalists under Nicola Sturgeon following the #IndyRef and Scottish Labours certain annihilation north of Hadrian's wall after being branded as "Red Tories". Labour's gains from the Conservatives in England are almost cancelled out by their losses to the SNP in Scotland.

- Milibands refusal to enter even an informal coalition with the SNP #becauseunion

- The rising voice of minor parties, despite their limitations by the First Past the Post system. Despite being unlikely to win many seats, the growing voice of Plaid Cymru, the English and Welsh Greens and everyones favourite racists UKIP are showing that people are becoming increasingly dissatisfied in what the major parties are offering.

- The fact that Russell Brand has managed to become one of the major voices and talking points of this election.

- The certainty that we are heading towards a hung parliament.

What I think we can expect: Even with the Lib Dems, DUP and UKIP, the Tories won't be able to form Government and are unlikely to want to work with UKIP anyway. Labour to initially form a minority government without the SNP, which will backfire eventually when the SNP start pressing on the removal of Trident from West Scotland, more powers for the Scottish Parliament and an end to Austerity.


Viennese Vuck

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LOL @ "neck and neck"

its all theatre to suck you into the vortex of bullshit and make more money for media

Tories to be returned easily, you can count on it
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ricecrackers wrote:
LOL @ "neck and neck"

its all theatre to suck you into the vortex of bullshit and make more money for media

Tories to be returned easily, you can count on it


Ok then, what do you base that on then? Are you anticipating that the Conservatives will enough seats outright to form Government (despite polls suggesting otherwise)?

I doubt the Lib Dems can afford to go into Coalition with the Tories again, with many of their voting base feeling betrayed after 2010. Clegg is also determined to block any EU Exit Referendum which Cameron has promised so I can't see them being too chummy anymore.

Even with continuation of the Coalition, I can't see the Tories being able to pass much in the Commons with less than 300 projected seats.

It seems the only thing the other parties are united by is the fact that most of their manifesto's have something to the effect of "Fuck the Tories" in the first line.

Viennese Vuck

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Fuck the Tories.
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melbourne_terrace wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
LOL @ "neck and neck"

its all theatre to suck you into the vortex of bullshit and make more money for media

Tories to be returned easily, you can count on it


Ok then, what do you base that on then? Are you anticipating that the Conservatives will enough seats outright to form Government (despite polls suggesting otherwise)?

I doubt the Lib Dems can afford to go into Coalition with the Tories again, with many of their voting base feeling betrayed after 2010. Clegg is also determined to block any EU Exit Referendum which Cameron has promised so I can't see them being too chummy anymore.

Even with continuation of the Coalition, I can't see the Tories being able to pass much in the Commons with less than 300 projected seats.

It seems the only thing the other parties are united by is the fact that most of their manifesto's have something to the effect of "Fuck the Tories" in the first line.


based on Miliband is a joke and not a serious candidate for Prime Ministership
Labour already know this

the Lib Dems wont back them

and polls schmolls

its all media BS

same as the last US election they pretended was going to be close
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Mr Cameron said only his Conservatives could deliver strong, stable government: "All other options will end in chaos."

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melbourne_terrace wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
LOL @ "neck and neck"

its all theatre to suck you into the vortex of bullshit and make more money for media

Tories to be returned easily, you can count on it


Ok then, what do you base that on then? Are you anticipating that the Conservatives will enough seats outright to form Government (despite polls suggesting otherwise)?

I doubt the Lib Dems can afford to go into Coalition with the Tories again, with many of their voting base feeling betrayed after 2010. Clegg is also determined to block any EU Exit Referendum which Cameron has promised so I can't see them being too chummy anymore.

Even with continuation of the Coalition, I can't see the Tories being able to pass much in the Commons with less than 300 projected seats.

It seems the only thing the other parties are united by is the fact that most of their manifesto's have something to the effect of "Fuck the Tories" in the first line.


You must not have noticed who you were responding to. The FourFourTwo equivalent of the Monster Raving Loony Party.

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biscuitman1871 wrote:
melbourne_terrace wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
LOL @ "neck and neck"

its all theatre to suck you into the vortex of bullshit and make more money for media

Tories to be returned easily, you can count on it


Ok then, what do you base that on then? Are you anticipating that the Conservatives will enough seats outright to form Government (despite polls suggesting otherwise)?

I doubt the Lib Dems can afford to go into Coalition with the Tories again, with many of their voting base feeling betrayed after 2010. Clegg is also determined to block any EU Exit Referendum which Cameron has promised so I can't see them being too chummy anymore.

Even with continuation of the Coalition, I can't see the Tories being able to pass much in the Commons with less than 300 projected seats.

It seems the only thing the other parties are united by is the fact that most of their manifesto's have something to the effect of "Fuck the Tories" in the first line.


You must not have noticed who you were responding to. The FourFourTwo equivalent of the Monster Raving Loony Party.


we can revisit this thread when Cameron is returned

you up for that dribble mouth?
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ricecrackers wrote:
biscuitman1871 wrote:
melbourne_terrace wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
LOL @ "neck and neck"

its all theatre to suck you into the vortex of bullshit and make more money for media

Tories to be returned easily, you can count on it


Ok then, what do you base that on then? Are you anticipating that the Conservatives will enough seats outright to form Government (despite polls suggesting otherwise)?

I doubt the Lib Dems can afford to go into Coalition with the Tories again, with many of their voting base feeling betrayed after 2010. Clegg is also determined to block any EU Exit Referendum which Cameron has promised so I can't see them being too chummy anymore.

Even with continuation of the Coalition, I can't see the Tories being able to pass much in the Commons with less than 300 projected seats.

It seems the only thing the other parties are united by is the fact that most of their manifesto's have something to the effect of "Fuck the Tories" in the first line.


You must not have noticed who you were responding to. The FourFourTwo equivalent of the Monster Raving Loony Party.


we can revisit this thread when Cameron is returned

you up for that dribble mouth?


You are a very brave keyboard warrior.

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biscuitman1871 wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
biscuitman1871 wrote:
melbourne_terrace wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
LOL @ "neck and neck"

its all theatre to suck you into the vortex of bullshit and make more money for media

Tories to be returned easily, you can count on it


Ok then, what do you base that on then? Are you anticipating that the Conservatives will enough seats outright to form Government (despite polls suggesting otherwise)?

I doubt the Lib Dems can afford to go into Coalition with the Tories again, with many of their voting base feeling betrayed after 2010. Clegg is also determined to block any EU Exit Referendum which Cameron has promised so I can't see them being too chummy anymore.

Even with continuation of the Coalition, I can't see the Tories being able to pass much in the Commons with less than 300 projected seats.

It seems the only thing the other parties are united by is the fact that most of their manifesto's have something to the effect of "Fuck the Tories" in the first line.


You must not have noticed who you were responding to. The FourFourTwo equivalent of the Monster Raving Loony Party.


we can revisit this thread when Cameron is returned

you up for that dribble mouth?


You are a very brave keyboard warrior.


afraid I might be right already? you can chicken out now if you wish
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ricecrackers wrote:
biscuitman1871 wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
biscuitman1871 wrote:
melbourne_terrace wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
LOL @ "neck and neck"

its all theatre to suck you into the vortex of bullshit and make more money for media

Tories to be returned easily, you can count on it


Ok then, what do you base that on then? Are you anticipating that the Conservatives will enough seats outright to form Government (despite polls suggesting otherwise)?

I doubt the Lib Dems can afford to go into Coalition with the Tories again, with many of their voting base feeling betrayed after 2010. Clegg is also determined to block any EU Exit Referendum which Cameron has promised so I can't see them being too chummy anymore.

Even with continuation of the Coalition, I can't see the Tories being able to pass much in the Commons with less than 300 projected seats.

It seems the only thing the other parties are united by is the fact that most of their manifesto's have something to the effect of "Fuck the Tories" in the first line.


You must not have noticed who you were responding to. The FourFourTwo equivalent of the Monster Raving Loony Party.


we can revisit this thread when Cameron is returned

you up for that dribble mouth?


You are a very brave keyboard warrior.


afraid I might be right already? you can chicken out now if you wish


Nothing to do with whether you are right or wrong. IMO melbourne_terrace's assessment is much more likely than your "Tories to be returned easily" prediction.

I am just commenting on how brave you are throwing out insults on a forum that you wouldn't have the guts to say to someone's face.

Edited by biscuitman1871: 7/5/2015 01:36:17 PM

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biscuitman1871 wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
biscuitman1871 wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
biscuitman1871 wrote:
melbourne_terrace wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
LOL @ "neck and neck"

its all theatre to suck you into the vortex of bullshit and make more money for media

Tories to be returned easily, you can count on it


Ok then, what do you base that on then? Are you anticipating that the Conservatives will enough seats outright to form Government (despite polls suggesting otherwise)?

I doubt the Lib Dems can afford to go into Coalition with the Tories again, with many of their voting base feeling betrayed after 2010. Clegg is also determined to block any EU Exit Referendum which Cameron has promised so I can't see them being too chummy anymore.

Even with continuation of the Coalition, I can't see the Tories being able to pass much in the Commons with less than 300 projected seats.

It seems the only thing the other parties are united by is the fact that most of their manifesto's have something to the effect of "Fuck the Tories" in the first line.


You must not have noticed who you were responding to. The FourFourTwo equivalent of the Monster Raving Loony Party.


we can revisit this thread when Cameron is returned

you up for that dribble mouth?


You are a very brave keyboard warrior.


afraid I might be right already? you can chicken out now if you wish


Nothing to do with whether you are right or wrong. IMO melbourne_terrace's assessment is much more likely than your "Tories to be returned easily" prediction.

I am just commenting on how brave you are throwing out insults on a forum that you wouldn't have the guts to say to someone's face.

Edited by biscuitman1871: 7/5/2015 01:36:17 PM


so you're backpedaling now I see

pathetic and I believe it was you that started with the insults

did my responses hurt your feelings dribble mouth?
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ricecrackers wrote:
biscuitman1871 wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
biscuitman1871 wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
biscuitman1871 wrote:
melbourne_terrace wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
LOL @ "neck and neck"

its all theatre to suck you into the vortex of bullshit and make more money for media

Tories to be returned easily, you can count on it


Ok then, what do you base that on then? Are you anticipating that the Conservatives will enough seats outright to form Government (despite polls suggesting otherwise)?

I doubt the Lib Dems can afford to go into Coalition with the Tories again, with many of their voting base feeling betrayed after 2010. Clegg is also determined to block any EU Exit Referendum which Cameron has promised so I can't see them being too chummy anymore.

Even with continuation of the Coalition, I can't see the Tories being able to pass much in the Commons with less than 300 projected seats.

It seems the only thing the other parties are united by is the fact that most of their manifesto's have something to the effect of "Fuck the Tories" in the first line.


You must not have noticed who you were responding to. The FourFourTwo equivalent of the Monster Raving Loony Party.


we can revisit this thread when Cameron is returned

you up for that dribble mouth?


You are a very brave keyboard warrior.


afraid I might be right already? you can chicken out now if you wish


Nothing to do with whether you are right or wrong. IMO melbourne_terrace's assessment is much more likely than your "Tories to be returned easily" prediction.

I am just commenting on how brave you are throwing out insults on a forum that you wouldn't have the guts to say to someone's face.

Edited by biscuitman1871: 7/5/2015 01:36:17 PM


so you're backpedaling now I see

pathetic and I believe it was you that started with the insults

did my responses hurt your feelings dribble mouth?


How is "IMO melbourne_terrace's assessment is much more likely than your "Tories to be returned easily" prediction" backpedaling?

I think he is right and surprise, surprise, you are wrong.

The fact that you think your childish insults could hurt someone's feelings says more about you that anything else.




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biscuitman1871 wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
biscuitman1871 wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
biscuitman1871 wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
biscuitman1871 wrote:
melbourne_terrace wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
LOL @ "neck and neck"

its all theatre to suck you into the vortex of bullshit and make more money for media

Tories to be returned easily, you can count on it


Ok then, what do you base that on then? Are you anticipating that the Conservatives will enough seats outright to form Government (despite polls suggesting otherwise)?

I doubt the Lib Dems can afford to go into Coalition with the Tories again, with many of their voting base feeling betrayed after 2010. Clegg is also determined to block any EU Exit Referendum which Cameron has promised so I can't see them being too chummy anymore.

Even with continuation of the Coalition, I can't see the Tories being able to pass much in the Commons with less than 300 projected seats.

It seems the only thing the other parties are united by is the fact that most of their manifesto's have something to the effect of "Fuck the Tories" in the first line.


You must not have noticed who you were responding to. The FourFourTwo equivalent of the Monster Raving Loony Party.


we can revisit this thread when Cameron is returned

you up for that dribble mouth?


You are a very brave keyboard warrior.


afraid I might be right already? you can chicken out now if you wish


Nothing to do with whether you are right or wrong. IMO melbourne_terrace's assessment is much more likely than your "Tories to be returned easily" prediction.

I am just commenting on how brave you are throwing out insults on a forum that you wouldn't have the guts to say to someone's face.

Edited by biscuitman1871: 7/5/2015 01:36:17 PM


so you're backpedaling now I see

pathetic and I believe it was you that started with the insults

did my responses hurt your feelings dribble mouth?


How is "IMO melbourne_terrace's assessment is much more likely than your "Tories to be returned easily" prediction" backpedaling?

I think he is right and surprise, surprise, you are wrong.

The fact that you think your childish insults could hurt someone's feelings says more about you that anything else.




you're the one complaining about being insulted (after you instigated personal insults)

that you cant see the hypocrisy of your position speaks volumes of your lack of aptitude in the mental area

Tories will be returned

if they're not I'll leave the forum permanently if you agree to leave the forum permanently if they are

deal?
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ricecrackers wrote:
biscuitman1871 wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
biscuitman1871 wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
biscuitman1871 wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
biscuitman1871 wrote:
melbourne_terrace wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
LOL @ "neck and neck"

its all theatre to suck you into the vortex of bullshit and make more money for media

Tories to be returned easily, you can count on it


Ok then, what do you base that on then? Are you anticipating that the Conservatives will enough seats outright to form Government (despite polls suggesting otherwise)?

I doubt the Lib Dems can afford to go into Coalition with the Tories again, with many of their voting base feeling betrayed after 2010. Clegg is also determined to block any EU Exit Referendum which Cameron has promised so I can't see them being too chummy anymore.

Even with continuation of the Coalition, I can't see the Tories being able to pass much in the Commons with less than 300 projected seats.

It seems the only thing the other parties are united by is the fact that most of their manifesto's have something to the effect of "Fuck the Tories" in the first line.


You must not have noticed who you were responding to. The FourFourTwo equivalent of the Monster Raving Loony Party.


we can revisit this thread when Cameron is returned

you up for that dribble mouth?


You are a very brave keyboard warrior.


afraid I might be right already? you can chicken out now if you wish


Nothing to do with whether you are right or wrong. IMO melbourne_terrace's assessment is much more likely than your "Tories to be returned easily" prediction.

I am just commenting on how brave you are throwing out insults on a forum that you wouldn't have the guts to say to someone's face.

Edited by biscuitman1871: 7/5/2015 01:36:17 PM


so you're backpedaling now I see

pathetic and I believe it was you that started with the insults

did my responses hurt your feelings dribble mouth?


How is "IMO melbourne_terrace's assessment is much more likely than your "Tories to be returned easily" prediction" backpedaling?

I think he is right and surprise, surprise, you are wrong.

The fact that you think your childish insults could hurt someone's feelings says more about you that anything else.




you're the one complaining about being insulted (after you instigated personal insults)

that you cant see the hypocrisy of your position speaks volumes of your lack of aptitude in the mental area

Tories will be returned

if they're not I'll leave the forum permanently if you agree to leave the forum permanently if they are

deal?


It is a tempting offer but no thanks.

I am sure there will be many disappointed forum members who would have liked the chance to see the back of you and your trolling.

The Tories may well be returned but I don't think it will be easily as you believe.

Referring to you as the 442 equivalent of the Monster Raving Loony Party was a mild and topical insult for this thread.

Just constantly calling someone "dribble mouth" is what 12 year olds do.


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biscuitman1871 wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
biscuitman1871 wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
biscuitman1871 wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
biscuitman1871 wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
biscuitman1871 wrote:
melbourne_terrace wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
LOL @ "neck and neck"

its all theatre to suck you into the vortex of bullshit and make more money for media

Tories to be returned easily, you can count on it


Ok then, what do you base that on then? Are you anticipating that the Conservatives will enough seats outright to form Government (despite polls suggesting otherwise)?

I doubt the Lib Dems can afford to go into Coalition with the Tories again, with many of their voting base feeling betrayed after 2010. Clegg is also determined to block any EU Exit Referendum which Cameron has promised so I can't see them being too chummy anymore.

Even with continuation of the Coalition, I can't see the Tories being able to pass much in the Commons with less than 300 projected seats.

It seems the only thing the other parties are united by is the fact that most of their manifesto's have something to the effect of "Fuck the Tories" in the first line.


You must not have noticed who you were responding to. The FourFourTwo equivalent of the Monster Raving Loony Party.


we can revisit this thread when Cameron is returned

you up for that dribble mouth?


You are a very brave keyboard warrior.


afraid I might be right already? you can chicken out now if you wish


Nothing to do with whether you are right or wrong. IMO melbourne_terrace's assessment is much more likely than your "Tories to be returned easily" prediction.

I am just commenting on how brave you are throwing out insults on a forum that you wouldn't have the guts to say to someone's face.

Edited by biscuitman1871: 7/5/2015 01:36:17 PM


so you're backpedaling now I see

pathetic and I believe it was you that started with the insults

did my responses hurt your feelings dribble mouth?


How is "IMO melbourne_terrace's assessment is much more likely than your "Tories to be returned easily" prediction" backpedaling?

I think he is right and surprise, surprise, you are wrong.

The fact that you think your childish insults could hurt someone's feelings says more about you that anything else.




you're the one complaining about being insulted (after you instigated personal insults)

that you cant see the hypocrisy of your position speaks volumes of your lack of aptitude in the mental area

Tories will be returned

if they're not I'll leave the forum permanently if you agree to leave the forum permanently if they are

deal?


It is a tempting offer but no thanks.

I am sure there will be many disappointed forum members who would have liked the chance to see the back of you and your trolling.

The Tories may well be returned but I don't think it will be easily as you believe.

Referring to you as the 442 equivalent of the Monster Raving Loony Party was a mild and topical insult for this thread.

Just constantly calling someone "dribble mouth" is what 12 year olds do.


backpedal backpedal backpedal

you instigate personal insults to a lot of people here I've noticed and you cry when its returned

who do you think you are that gives you the authority that you dont afford others?

you seem to exhibit the characteristics of a bully

#issues

Edited by ricecrackers: 7/5/2015 02:16:06 PM
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ricecrackers wrote:
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biscuitman1871 wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
biscuitman1871 wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
biscuitman1871 wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
biscuitman1871 wrote:
melbourne_terrace wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
LOL @ "neck and neck"

its all theatre to suck you into the vortex of bullshit and make more money for media

Tories to be returned easily, you can count on it


Ok then, what do you base that on then? Are you anticipating that the Conservatives will enough seats outright to form Government (despite polls suggesting otherwise)?

I doubt the Lib Dems can afford to go into Coalition with the Tories again, with many of their voting base feeling betrayed after 2010. Clegg is also determined to block any EU Exit Referendum which Cameron has promised so I can't see them being too chummy anymore.

Even with continuation of the Coalition, I can't see the Tories being able to pass much in the Commons with less than 300 projected seats.

It seems the only thing the other parties are united by is the fact that most of their manifesto's have something to the effect of "Fuck the Tories" in the first line.


You must not have noticed who you were responding to. The FourFourTwo equivalent of the Monster Raving Loony Party.


we can revisit this thread when Cameron is returned

you up for that dribble mouth?


You are a very brave keyboard warrior.


afraid I might be right already? you can chicken out now if you wish


Nothing to do with whether you are right or wrong. IMO melbourne_terrace's assessment is much more likely than your "Tories to be returned easily" prediction.

I am just commenting on how brave you are throwing out insults on a forum that you wouldn't have the guts to say to someone's face.

Edited by biscuitman1871: 7/5/2015 01:36:17 PM


so you're backpedaling now I see

pathetic and I believe it was you that started with the insults

did my responses hurt your feelings dribble mouth?


How is "IMO melbourne_terrace's assessment is much more likely than your "Tories to be returned easily" prediction" backpedaling?

I think he is right and surprise, surprise, you are wrong.

The fact that you think your childish insults could hurt someone's feelings says more about you that anything else.




you're the one complaining about being insulted (after you instigated personal insults)

that you cant see the hypocrisy of your position speaks volumes of your lack of aptitude in the mental area

Tories will be returned

if they're not I'll leave the forum permanently if you agree to leave the forum permanently if they are

deal?


It is a tempting offer but no thanks.

I am sure there will be many disappointed forum members who would have liked the chance to see the back of you and your trolling.

The Tories may well be returned but I don't think it will be easily as you believe.

Referring to you as the 442 equivalent of the Monster Raving Loony Party was a mild and topical insult for this thread.

Just constantly calling someone "dribble mouth" is what 12 year olds do.


backpedal backpedal backpedal

you instigate personal insults to a lot of people here I've noticed and you cry when its returned

who do you think you are that gives you the authority that you dont afford others?

you seem to exhibit the characteristics of a bully

#issues

Edited by ricecrackers: 7/5/2015 02:16:06 PM


Who is crying now?

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biscuitman1871 wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
biscuitman1871 wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
biscuitman1871 wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
biscuitman1871 wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
biscuitman1871 wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
biscuitman1871 wrote:
melbourne_terrace wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
LOL @ "neck and neck"

its all theatre to suck you into the vortex of bullshit and make more money for media

Tories to be returned easily, you can count on it


Ok then, what do you base that on then? Are you anticipating that the Conservatives will enough seats outright to form Government (despite polls suggesting otherwise)?

I doubt the Lib Dems can afford to go into Coalition with the Tories again, with many of their voting base feeling betrayed after 2010. Clegg is also determined to block any EU Exit Referendum which Cameron has promised so I can't see them being too chummy anymore.

Even with continuation of the Coalition, I can't see the Tories being able to pass much in the Commons with less than 300 projected seats.

It seems the only thing the other parties are united by is the fact that most of their manifesto's have something to the effect of "Fuck the Tories" in the first line.


You must not have noticed who you were responding to. The FourFourTwo equivalent of the Monster Raving Loony Party.


we can revisit this thread when Cameron is returned

you up for that dribble mouth?


You are a very brave keyboard warrior.


afraid I might be right already? you can chicken out now if you wish


Nothing to do with whether you are right or wrong. IMO melbourne_terrace's assessment is much more likely than your "Tories to be returned easily" prediction.

I am just commenting on how brave you are throwing out insults on a forum that you wouldn't have the guts to say to someone's face.

Edited by biscuitman1871: 7/5/2015 01:36:17 PM


so you're backpedaling now I see

pathetic and I believe it was you that started with the insults

did my responses hurt your feelings dribble mouth?


How is "IMO melbourne_terrace's assessment is much more likely than your "Tories to be returned easily" prediction" backpedaling?

I think he is right and surprise, surprise, you are wrong.

The fact that you think your childish insults could hurt someone's feelings says more about you that anything else.




you're the one complaining about being insulted (after you instigated personal insults)

that you cant see the hypocrisy of your position speaks volumes of your lack of aptitude in the mental area

Tories will be returned

if they're not I'll leave the forum permanently if you agree to leave the forum permanently if they are

deal?


It is a tempting offer but no thanks.

I am sure there will be many disappointed forum members who would have liked the chance to see the back of you and your trolling.

The Tories may well be returned but I don't think it will be easily as you believe.

Referring to you as the 442 equivalent of the Monster Raving Loony Party was a mild and topical insult for this thread.

Just constantly calling someone "dribble mouth" is what 12 year olds do.


backpedal backpedal backpedal

you instigate personal insults to a lot of people here I've noticed and you cry when its returned

who do you think you are that gives you the authority that you dont afford others?

you seem to exhibit the characteristics of a bully

#issues



Who is crying now?


who do you think you are that gives you the authority that you dont afford others?

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ricecrackers wrote:
biscuitman1871 wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
biscuitman1871 wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
biscuitman1871 wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
biscuitman1871 wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
biscuitman1871 wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
biscuitman1871 wrote:
melbourne_terrace wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
LOL @ "neck and neck"

its all theatre to suck you into the vortex of bullshit and make more money for media

Tories to be returned easily, you can count on it


Ok then, what do you base that on then? Are you anticipating that the Conservatives will enough seats outright to form Government (despite polls suggesting otherwise)?

I doubt the Lib Dems can afford to go into Coalition with the Tories again, with many of their voting base feeling betrayed after 2010. Clegg is also determined to block any EU Exit Referendum which Cameron has promised so I can't see them being too chummy anymore.

Even with continuation of the Coalition, I can't see the Tories being able to pass much in the Commons with less than 300 projected seats.

It seems the only thing the other parties are united by is the fact that most of their manifesto's have something to the effect of "Fuck the Tories" in the first line.


You must not have noticed who you were responding to. The FourFourTwo equivalent of the Monster Raving Loony Party.


we can revisit this thread when Cameron is returned

you up for that dribble mouth?


You are a very brave keyboard warrior.


afraid I might be right already? you can chicken out now if you wish


Nothing to do with whether you are right or wrong. IMO melbourne_terrace's assessment is much more likely than your "Tories to be returned easily" prediction.

I am just commenting on how brave you are throwing out insults on a forum that you wouldn't have the guts to say to someone's face.

Edited by biscuitman1871: 7/5/2015 01:36:17 PM


so you're backpedaling now I see

pathetic and I believe it was you that started with the insults

did my responses hurt your feelings dribble mouth?


How is "IMO melbourne_terrace's assessment is much more likely than your "Tories to be returned easily" prediction" backpedaling?

I think he is right and surprise, surprise, you are wrong.

The fact that you think your childish insults could hurt someone's feelings says more about you that anything else.




you're the one complaining about being insulted (after you instigated personal insults)

that you cant see the hypocrisy of your position speaks volumes of your lack of aptitude in the mental area

Tories will be returned

if they're not I'll leave the forum permanently if you agree to leave the forum permanently if they are

deal?


It is a tempting offer but no thanks.

I am sure there will be many disappointed forum members who would have liked the chance to see the back of you and your trolling.

The Tories may well be returned but I don't think it will be easily as you believe.

Referring to you as the 442 equivalent of the Monster Raving Loony Party was a mild and topical insult for this thread.

Just constantly calling someone "dribble mouth" is what 12 year olds do.


backpedal backpedal backpedal

you instigate personal insults to a lot of people here I've noticed and you cry when its returned

who do you think you are that gives you the authority that you dont afford others?

you seem to exhibit the characteristics of a bully

#issues



Who is crying now?


who do you think you are that gives you the authority that you dont afford others?


What authority are you talking about? I have a low tolerance for fucking morons. If I was unfortunate enough to meet you in person, I can assure you that I would have no problem calling you a fucking moron to your face. I doubt however, that you would be brave enough to spout the crap that you do on this forum to anyone's face.

Apart from distance, that is highly unlikely though as it would require you to come out from behind your keyboard and negotiate the intricacies of the public transport system.

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biscuitman1871 wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
biscuitman1871 wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
biscuitman1871 wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
biscuitman1871 wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
biscuitman1871 wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
biscuitman1871 wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
biscuitman1871 wrote:
melbourne_terrace wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
LOL @ "neck and neck"

its all theatre to suck you into the vortex of bullshit and make more money for media

Tories to be returned easily, you can count on it


Ok then, what do you base that on then? Are you anticipating that the Conservatives will enough seats outright to form Government (despite polls suggesting otherwise)?

I doubt the Lib Dems can afford to go into Coalition with the Tories again, with many of their voting base feeling betrayed after 2010. Clegg is also determined to block any EU Exit Referendum which Cameron has promised so I can't see them being too chummy anymore.

Even with continuation of the Coalition, I can't see the Tories being able to pass much in the Commons with less than 300 projected seats.

It seems the only thing the other parties are united by is the fact that most of their manifesto's have something to the effect of "Fuck the Tories" in the first line.


You must not have noticed who you were responding to. The FourFourTwo equivalent of the Monster Raving Loony Party.


we can revisit this thread when Cameron is returned

you up for that dribble mouth?


You are a very brave keyboard warrior.


afraid I might be right already? you can chicken out now if you wish


Nothing to do with whether you are right or wrong. IMO melbourne_terrace's assessment is much more likely than your "Tories to be returned easily" prediction.

I am just commenting on how brave you are throwing out insults on a forum that you wouldn't have the guts to say to someone's face.

Edited by biscuitman1871: 7/5/2015 01:36:17 PM


so you're backpedaling now I see

pathetic and I believe it was you that started with the insults

did my responses hurt your feelings dribble mouth?


How is "IMO melbourne_terrace's assessment is much more likely than your "Tories to be returned easily" prediction" backpedaling?

I think he is right and surprise, surprise, you are wrong.

The fact that you think your childish insults could hurt someone's feelings says more about you that anything else.




you're the one complaining about being insulted (after you instigated personal insults)

that you cant see the hypocrisy of your position speaks volumes of your lack of aptitude in the mental area

Tories will be returned

if they're not I'll leave the forum permanently if you agree to leave the forum permanently if they are

deal?


It is a tempting offer but no thanks.

I am sure there will be many disappointed forum members who would have liked the chance to see the back of you and your trolling.

The Tories may well be returned but I don't think it will be easily as you believe.

Referring to you as the 442 equivalent of the Monster Raving Loony Party was a mild and topical insult for this thread.

Just constantly calling someone "dribble mouth" is what 12 year olds do.


backpedal backpedal backpedal

you instigate personal insults to a lot of people here I've noticed and you cry when its returned

who do you think you are that gives you the authority that you dont afford others?

you seem to exhibit the characteristics of a bully

#issues



Who is crying now?


who do you think you are that gives you the authority that you dont afford others?


What authority are you talking about? I have a low tolerance for fucking morons. If I was unfortunate enough to meet you in person, I can assure you that I would have no problem calling you a fucking moron to your face. I doubt however, that you would be brave enough to spout the crap that you do on this forum to anyone's face.

Apart from distance, that is highly unlikely though as it would require you to come out from behind your keyboard and negotiate the intricacies of the public transport system.


are you threatening me now?
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ricecrackers wrote:
biscuitman1871 wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
biscuitman1871 wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
biscuitman1871 wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
biscuitman1871 wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
biscuitman1871 wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
biscuitman1871 wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
biscuitman1871 wrote:
melbourne_terrace wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
LOL @ "neck and neck"

its all theatre to suck you into the vortex of bullshit and make more money for media

Tories to be returned easily, you can count on it


Ok then, what do you base that on then? Are you anticipating that the Conservatives will enough seats outright to form Government (despite polls suggesting otherwise)?

I doubt the Lib Dems can afford to go into Coalition with the Tories again, with many of their voting base feeling betrayed after 2010. Clegg is also determined to block any EU Exit Referendum which Cameron has promised so I can't see them being too chummy anymore.

Even with continuation of the Coalition, I can't see the Tories being able to pass much in the Commons with less than 300 projected seats.

It seems the only thing the other parties are united by is the fact that most of their manifesto's have something to the effect of "Fuck the Tories" in the first line.


You must not have noticed who you were responding to. The FourFourTwo equivalent of the Monster Raving Loony Party.


we can revisit this thread when Cameron is returned

you up for that dribble mouth?


You are a very brave keyboard warrior.


afraid I might be right already? you can chicken out now if you wish


Nothing to do with whether you are right or wrong. IMO melbourne_terrace's assessment is much more likely than your "Tories to be returned easily" prediction.

I am just commenting on how brave you are throwing out insults on a forum that you wouldn't have the guts to say to someone's face.

Edited by biscuitman1871: 7/5/2015 01:36:17 PM


so you're backpedaling now I see

pathetic and I believe it was you that started with the insults

did my responses hurt your feelings dribble mouth?


How is "IMO melbourne_terrace's assessment is much more likely than your "Tories to be returned easily" prediction" backpedaling?

I think he is right and surprise, surprise, you are wrong.

The fact that you think your childish insults could hurt someone's feelings says more about you that anything else.




you're the one complaining about being insulted (after you instigated personal insults)

that you cant see the hypocrisy of your position speaks volumes of your lack of aptitude in the mental area

Tories will be returned

if they're not I'll leave the forum permanently if you agree to leave the forum permanently if they are

deal?


It is a tempting offer but no thanks.

I am sure there will be many disappointed forum members who would have liked the chance to see the back of you and your trolling.

The Tories may well be returned but I don't think it will be easily as you believe.

Referring to you as the 442 equivalent of the Monster Raving Loony Party was a mild and topical insult for this thread.

Just constantly calling someone "dribble mouth" is what 12 year olds do.


backpedal backpedal backpedal

you instigate personal insults to a lot of people here I've noticed and you cry when its returned

who do you think you are that gives you the authority that you dont afford others?

you seem to exhibit the characteristics of a bully

#issues



Who is crying now?


who do you think you are that gives you the authority that you dont afford others?


What authority are you talking about? I have a low tolerance for fucking morons. If I was unfortunate enough to meet you in person, I can assure you that I would have no problem calling you a fucking moron to your face. I doubt however, that you would be brave enough to spout the crap that you do on this forum to anyone's face.

Apart from distance, that is highly unlikely though as it would require you to come out from behind your keyboard and negotiate the intricacies of the public transport system.


are you threatening me now?


It takes a special person who, when called a fucking moron, responds in a way which categorically confirms it.

Thanks for that - despite your short comings you really are special and have brightened up an otherwise boring day.

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biscuitman1871 wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
biscuitman1871 wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
biscuitman1871 wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
biscuitman1871 wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
biscuitman1871 wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
biscuitman1871 wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
biscuitman1871 wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
biscuitman1871 wrote:
melbourne_terrace wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
LOL @ "neck and neck"

its all theatre to suck you into the vortex of bullshit and make more money for media

Tories to be returned easily, you can count on it


Ok then, what do you base that on then? Are you anticipating that the Conservatives will enough seats outright to form Government (despite polls suggesting otherwise)?

I doubt the Lib Dems can afford to go into Coalition with the Tories again, with many of their voting base feeling betrayed after 2010. Clegg is also determined to block any EU Exit Referendum which Cameron has promised so I can't see them being too chummy anymore.

Even with continuation of the Coalition, I can't see the Tories being able to pass much in the Commons with less than 300 projected seats.

It seems the only thing the other parties are united by is the fact that most of their manifesto's have something to the effect of "Fuck the Tories" in the first line.


You must not have noticed who you were responding to. The FourFourTwo equivalent of the Monster Raving Loony Party.


we can revisit this thread when Cameron is returned

you up for that dribble mouth?


You are a very brave keyboard warrior.


afraid I might be right already? you can chicken out now if you wish


Nothing to do with whether you are right or wrong. IMO melbourne_terrace's assessment is much more likely than your "Tories to be returned easily" prediction.

I am just commenting on how brave you are throwing out insults on a forum that you wouldn't have the guts to say to someone's face.

Edited by biscuitman1871: 7/5/2015 01:36:17 PM


so you're backpedaling now I see

pathetic and I believe it was you that started with the insults

did my responses hurt your feelings dribble mouth?


How is "IMO melbourne_terrace's assessment is much more likely than your "Tories to be returned easily" prediction" backpedaling?

I think he is right and surprise, surprise, you are wrong.

The fact that you think your childish insults could hurt someone's feelings says more about you that anything else.




you're the one complaining about being insulted (after you instigated personal insults)

that you cant see the hypocrisy of your position speaks volumes of your lack of aptitude in the mental area

Tories will be returned

if they're not I'll leave the forum permanently if you agree to leave the forum permanently if they are

deal?


It is a tempting offer but no thanks.

I am sure there will be many disappointed forum members who would have liked the chance to see the back of you and your trolling.

The Tories may well be returned but I don't think it will be easily as you believe.

Referring to you as the 442 equivalent of the Monster Raving Loony Party was a mild and topical insult for this thread.

Just constantly calling someone "dribble mouth" is what 12 year olds do.


backpedal backpedal backpedal

you instigate personal insults to a lot of people here I've noticed and you cry when its returned

who do you think you are that gives you the authority that you dont afford others?

you seem to exhibit the characteristics of a bully

#issues



Who is crying now?


who do you think you are that gives you the authority that you dont afford others?


What authority are you talking about? I have a low tolerance for fucking morons. If I was unfortunate enough to meet you in person, I can assure you that I would have no problem calling you a fucking moron to your face. I doubt however, that you would be brave enough to spout the crap that you do on this forum to anyone's face.

Apart from distance, that is highly unlikely though as it would require you to come out from behind your keyboard and negotiate the intricacies of the public transport system.


are you threatening me now?


It takes a special person who, when called a fucking moron, responds in a way which categorically confirms it.

Thanks for that - despite your short comings you really are special and have brightened up an otherwise boring day.


that was a yes or no question
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ricecrackers wrote:
biscuitman1871 wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
biscuitman1871 wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
biscuitman1871 wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
biscuitman1871 wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
biscuitman1871 wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
biscuitman1871 wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
biscuitman1871 wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
biscuitman1871 wrote:
melbourne_terrace wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
LOL @ "neck and neck"

its all theatre to suck you into the vortex of bullshit and make more money for media

Tories to be returned easily, you can count on it


Ok then, what do you base that on then? Are you anticipating that the Conservatives will enough seats outright to form Government (despite polls suggesting otherwise)?

I doubt the Lib Dems can afford to go into Coalition with the Tories again, with many of their voting base feeling betrayed after 2010. Clegg is also determined to block any EU Exit Referendum which Cameron has promised so I can't see them being too chummy anymore.

Even with continuation of the Coalition, I can't see the Tories being able to pass much in the Commons with less than 300 projected seats.

It seems the only thing the other parties are united by is the fact that most of their manifesto's have something to the effect of "Fuck the Tories" in the first line.


You must not have noticed who you were responding to. The FourFourTwo equivalent of the Monster Raving Loony Party.


we can revisit this thread when Cameron is returned

you up for that dribble mouth?


You are a very brave keyboard warrior.


afraid I might be right already? you can chicken out now if you wish


Nothing to do with whether you are right or wrong. IMO melbourne_terrace's assessment is much more likely than your "Tories to be returned easily" prediction.

I am just commenting on how brave you are throwing out insults on a forum that you wouldn't have the guts to say to someone's face.

Edited by biscuitman1871: 7/5/2015 01:36:17 PM


so you're backpedaling now I see

pathetic and I believe it was you that started with the insults

did my responses hurt your feelings dribble mouth?


How is "IMO melbourne_terrace's assessment is much more likely than your "Tories to be returned easily" prediction" backpedaling?

I think he is right and surprise, surprise, you are wrong.

The fact that you think your childish insults could hurt someone's feelings says more about you that anything else.




you're the one complaining about being insulted (after you instigated personal insults)

that you cant see the hypocrisy of your position speaks volumes of your lack of aptitude in the mental area

Tories will be returned

if they're not I'll leave the forum permanently if you agree to leave the forum permanently if they are

deal?


It is a tempting offer but no thanks.

I am sure there will be many disappointed forum members who would have liked the chance to see the back of you and your trolling.

The Tories may well be returned but I don't think it will be easily as you believe.

Referring to you as the 442 equivalent of the Monster Raving Loony Party was a mild and topical insult for this thread.

Just constantly calling someone "dribble mouth" is what 12 year olds do.


backpedal backpedal backpedal

you instigate personal insults to a lot of people here I've noticed and you cry when its returned

who do you think you are that gives you the authority that you dont afford others?

you seem to exhibit the characteristics of a bully

#issues



Who is crying now?


who do you think you are that gives you the authority that you dont afford others?


What authority are you talking about? I have a low tolerance for fucking morons. If I was unfortunate enough to meet you in person, I can assure you that I would have no problem calling you a fucking moron to your face. I doubt however, that you would be brave enough to spout the crap that you do on this forum to anyone's face.

Apart from distance, that is highly unlikely though as it would require you to come out from behind your keyboard and negotiate the intricacies of the public transport system.


are you threatening me now?


It takes a special person who, when called a fucking moron, responds in a way which categorically confirms it.

Thanks for that - despite your short comings you really are special and have brightened up an otherwise boring day.


that was a yes or no question


oh ok - no

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Crackers and biscuit have made this thing much more interesting :lol:
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http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/may/07/britain-at-a-crossroads-why-you-should-pay-attention-to-the-uk-general-election

Great article from the Guardian to catch up on what's happened this election if you haven't been following.

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Too much popcorn today.

Too much.
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Hopefully there's a surge towards UKIP. They'll get 15-20% of the vote yet only yield .5% of seats at the most. Enough ammunition to launch for a representative democracy system.

Beyond that, hopefully Conservatives get up. Labour and Milibot would ruin the country.




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433 wrote:
Hopefully there's a surge towards UKIP. They'll get 15-20% of the vote yet only yield .5% of seats at the most. Enough ammunition to launch for a representative democracy system.

Beyond that, hopefully Conservatives get up. Labour and Milibot would ruin the country.





Yeah nah, unless you're loaded and are massively pro business, UKIP is a disaster. Only good for splitting the right wing vote

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433 wrote:
Hopefully there's a surge towards UKIP. They'll get 15-20% of the vote yet only yield .5% of seats at the most. Enough ammunition to launch for a representative democracy system.

Beyond that, hopefully Conservatives get up. Labour and Milibot would ruin the country.




That's the same UKIP who had one of its candidates say he would shoot his Asian Tory rival if he ever became prime minister.

Maybe come back after you have grown up and voted in a couple of elections.



Edited by biscuitman1871: 8/5/2015 01:00:12 AM

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:lol: at the shitfight.

On topic, Labour minority government with SNP support seems extremely likely. Will be interesting either way.
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Lol wtf bicky?! Who would possibly engage in a shit fight with Ricecrackerss for that long?! Especially when your first post was rebuking someone for engaging him :lol:
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433 wrote:
Hopefully there's a surge towards UKIP. They'll get 15-20% of the vote yet only yield .5% of seats at the most. Enough ammunition to launch for a representative democracy system.

Beyond that, hopefully Conservatives get up. Labour and Milibot would ruin the country.







Edited by fourfiveone: 8/5/2015 02:44:02 AM
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The communist SNP will decide who form government...
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SNP will win 50 seats

UKIPbe lucky to win 2 seats
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adrtho wrote:
The communist SNP will decide who form government...


I don't think you know either what "Communism" is or where the SNP stand on the political scale.

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melbourne_terrace wrote:
adrtho wrote:
The communist SNP will decide who form government...


I don't think you know either what "Communism" is or where the SNP stand on the political scale.


you don't think, and you don't know what I know

SNP is anti-American communist twats


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adrtho wrote:
melbourne_terrace wrote:
adrtho wrote:
The communist SNP will decide who form government...


I don't think you know either what "Communism" is or where the SNP stand on the political scale.


you don't think, and you don't know what I know

SNP is anti-American communist twats



No you're just a knob and don't have fucking clue.

To be left of Centre ≠ Communism (or even Socialism) in the same way that right wing parties like the Tories or UKIP ≠ Fascism.



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melbourne_terrace wrote:
adrtho wrote:
melbourne_terrace wrote:
adrtho wrote:
The communist SNP will decide who form government...


I don't think you know either what "Communism" is or where the SNP stand on the political scale.


you don't think, and you don't know what I know

SNP is anti-American communist twats



No you're just a knob and don't have fucking clue.

To be left of Centre ≠ Communism (or even Socialism) in the same way that right wing parties like the Tories or UKIP ≠ Fascism.



left of center :lol:

you're a grade A muppets..you are so consistently wrong, that they should put your opinions in any model as a variable

UKIP will win one seat. maybe 2 seats ...they are just a organized Pauline Hanson, who get the right muppet votes

SNP is a threat to Australia's national security

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adrtho wrote:
melbourne_terrace wrote:
adrtho wrote:
melbourne_terrace wrote:
adrtho wrote:
The communist SNP will decide who form government...


I don't think you know either what "Communism" is or where the SNP stand on the political scale.


you don't think, and you don't know what I know

SNP is anti-American communist twats



No you're just a knob and don't have fucking clue.

To be left of Centre ≠ Communism (or even Socialism) in the same way that right wing parties like the Tories or UKIP ≠ Fascism.



left of center :lol:

you're a grade A muppets..you are so consistently wrong, that they should put your opinions in any model as a variable

UKIP will win one seat. maybe 2 seats ...they are just a organized Pauline Hanson, who get the right muppet votes

SNP is a threat to Australia's national security


:roll:

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adrtho wrote:
melbourne_terrace wrote:
adrtho wrote:
melbourne_terrace wrote:
adrtho wrote:
The communist SNP will decide who form government...


I don't think you know either what "Communism" is or where the SNP stand on the political scale.


you don't think, and you don't know what I know

SNP is anti-American communist twats



No you're just a knob and don't have fucking clue.

To be left of Centre ≠ Communism (or even Socialism) in the same way that right wing parties like the Tories or UKIP ≠ Fascism.



left of center :lol:

you're a grade A muppets..you are so consistently wrong, that they should put your opinions in any model as a variable

UKIP will win one seat. maybe 2 seats ...they are just a organized Pauline Hanson, who get the right muppet votes

SNP is a threat to Australia's national security


Care to explain that last statement in detail?
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Fourfiveone wrote:
adrtho wrote:
melbourne_terrace wrote:
adrtho wrote:
melbourne_terrace wrote:
adrtho wrote:
The communist SNP will decide who form government...


I don't think you know either what "Communism" is or where the SNP stand on the political scale.


you don't think, and you don't know what I know

SNP is anti-American communist twats



No you're just a knob and don't have fucking clue.

To be left of Centre ≠ Communism (or even Socialism) in the same way that right wing parties like the Tories or UKIP ≠ Fascism.



left of center :lol:

you're a grade A muppets..you are so consistently wrong, that they should put your opinions in any model as a variable

UKIP will win one seat. maybe 2 seats ...they are just a organized Pauline Hanson, who get the right muppet votes

SNP is a threat to Australia's national security


Care to explain that last statement in detail?


what, about melbourne_terrace being a muppet ? :lol:
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adrtho wrote:
Fourfiveone wrote:
adrtho wrote:
melbourne_terrace wrote:
adrtho wrote:
melbourne_terrace wrote:
adrtho wrote:
The communist SNP will decide who form government...


I don't think you know either what "Communism" is or where the SNP stand on the political scale.


you don't think, and you don't know what I know

SNP is anti-American communist twats



No you're just a knob and don't have fucking clue.

To be left of Centre ≠ Communism (or even Socialism) in the same way that right wing parties like the Tories or UKIP ≠ Fascism.



left of center :lol:

you're a grade A muppets..you are so consistently wrong, that they should put your opinions in any model as a variable

UKIP will win one seat. maybe 2 seats ...they are just a organized Pauline Hanson, who get the right muppet votes

SNP is a threat to Australia's national security


Care to explain that last statement in detail?


what, about melbourne_terrace being a muppet ? :lol:


I actual tend to agree with him on a lot of things, but I was asking you to clarify a seemingly outrageous statement.

Edited by fourfiveone: 8/5/2015 04:23:52 AM
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Fourfiveone wrote:
adrtho wrote:
Fourfiveone wrote:
adrtho wrote:
melbourne_terrace wrote:
adrtho wrote:
melbourne_terrace wrote:
adrtho wrote:
The communist SNP will decide who form government...


I don't think you know either what "Communism" is or where the SNP stand on the political scale.


you don't think, and you don't know what I know

SNP is anti-American communist twats



No you're just a knob and don't have fucking clue.

To be left of Centre ≠ Communism (or even Socialism) in the same way that right wing parties like the Tories or UKIP ≠ Fascism.



left of center :lol:

you're a grade A muppets..you are so consistently wrong, that they should put your opinions in any model as a variable

UKIP will win one seat. maybe 2 seats ...they are just a organized Pauline Hanson, who get the right muppet votes

SNP is a threat to Australia's national security


Care to explain that last statement in detail?


what, about melbourne_terrace being a muppet ? :lol:


I actual tend to agree with him on a lot of things, but I was asking to to clarify a seemingly outrageous statement.


"It's all a conspiracy by the Russian Government and Scottish Communists to destroy Australia. Trust me, i've consulted a bunch of Gambling addicts and some Elo Stats"

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Fourfiveone wrote:
adrtho wrote:
Fourfiveone wrote:
adrtho wrote:
melbourne_terrace wrote:
adrtho wrote:
melbourne_terrace wrote:
adrtho wrote:
The communist SNP will decide who form government...


I don't think you know either what "Communism" is or where the SNP stand on the political scale.


you don't think, and you don't know what I know

SNP is anti-American communist twats



No you're just a knob and don't have fucking clue.

To be left of Centre ≠ Communism (or even Socialism) in the same way that right wing parties like the Tories or UKIP ≠ Fascism.



left of center :lol:

you're a grade A muppets..you are so consistently wrong, that they should put your opinions in any model as a variable

UKIP will win one seat. maybe 2 seats ...they are just a organized Pauline Hanson, who get the right muppet votes

SNP is a threat to Australia's national security


Care to explain that last statement in detail?


what, about melbourne_terrace being a muppet ? :lol:


I actual tend to agree with him on a lot of things, but I was asking you to clarify a seemingly outrageous statement.

Edited by fourfiveone: 8/5/2015 04:23:52 AM


there so many reason why, Australian government, Australian SIS is concerned by SNP, and how they will act from being a State-regional government to the national level...the fact the SNP want to get ride of Trident is a automatic security risk to Australia


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Worst election ever. No frikkin sausage sizzle. And you only find out the results the next day in the afternoon.

Edited by zimbos_05: 8/5/2015 05:29:36 AM
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zimbos_05 wrote:
Worst election ever. No frikkin sausage sizzle. And you only find out the results the next day in the afternoon.

Edited by zimbos_05: 8/5/2015 05:29:36 AM


:) the results will be next week....to hard to tell. who and how a government will be formed
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adrtho wrote:
Fourfiveone wrote:
adrtho wrote:
Fourfiveone wrote:
adrtho wrote:
melbourne_terrace wrote:
adrtho wrote:
melbourne_terrace wrote:
adrtho wrote:
The communist SNP will decide who form government...


I don't think you know either what "Communism" is or where the SNP stand on the political scale.


you don't think, and you don't know what I know

SNP is anti-American communist twats



No you're just a knob and don't have fucking clue.

To be left of Centre ≠ Communism (or even Socialism) in the same way that right wing parties like the Tories or UKIP ≠ Fascism.



left of center :lol:

you're a grade A muppets..you are so consistently wrong, that they should put your opinions in any model as a variable

UKIP will win one seat. maybe 2 seats ...they are just a organized Pauline Hanson, who get the right muppet votes

SNP is a threat to Australia's national security


Care to explain that last statement in detail?


what, about melbourne_terrace being a muppet ? :lol:


I actual tend to agree with him on a lot of things, but I was asking you to clarify a seemingly outrageous statement.

Edited by fourfiveone: 8/5/2015 04:23:52 AM


there so many reason why, Australian government, Australian SIS is concerned by SNP, and how they will act from being a State-regional government to the national level...the fact the SNP want to get ride of Trident is a automatic security risk to Australia



How?

-PB

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paulbagzFC wrote:
adrtho wrote:
Fourfiveone wrote:
adrtho wrote:
Fourfiveone wrote:
adrtho wrote:
melbourne_terrace wrote:
adrtho wrote:
melbourne_terrace wrote:
adrtho wrote:
The communist SNP will decide who form government...


I don't think you know either what "Communism" is or where the SNP stand on the political scale.


you don't think, and you don't know what I know

SNP is anti-American communist twats



No you're just a knob and don't have fucking clue.

To be left of Centre ≠ Communism (or even Socialism) in the same way that right wing parties like the Tories or UKIP ≠ Fascism.



left of center :lol:

you're a grade A muppets..you are so consistently wrong, that they should put your opinions in any model as a variable

UKIP will win one seat. maybe 2 seats ...they are just a organized Pauline Hanson, who get the right muppet votes

SNP is a threat to Australia's national security


Care to explain that last statement in detail?


what, about melbourne_terrace being a muppet ? :lol:


I actual tend to agree with him on a lot of things, but I was asking you to clarify a seemingly outrageous statement.

Edited by fourfiveone: 8/5/2015 04:23:52 AM


there so many reason why, Australian government, Australian SIS is concerned by SNP, and how they will act from being a State-regional government to the national level...the fact the SNP want to get ride of Trident is a automatic security risk to Australia



How?

-PB


anything, that dilutes British military power, is a automatic security risk to Australia , and has been for 200 years. this major diluting (British having no nuclear capability) would have to be made up somewhere else, By the USA or Australia

British being a nuclear capable military, has be a virtual guarantee of security for Australia, New Zealand and Canada . It also gave Australia some bargaining power in dealing with USA, and how Australian-USA relationship developed

Australia having both USA and British with nuclear capability, make for a far more secure Australia, then having USA alone




Edited by adrtho: 8/5/2015 08:15:32 AM
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I certainly didn't expect this thread to turn out like it has :lol: Having no ties to the UK apart from the ones that our government continues to hold, I couldn't care less about the result. I'm a hobby psephologist though so I like to see how other countries do it whenever an election is run. Think I prefer our system though you do get some interesting outcomes.

Insert Gertjan Verbeek gifs here

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mcjules wrote:
I certainly didn't expect this thread to turn out like it has :lol: Having no ties to the UK apart from the ones that our government continues to hold, I couldn't care less about the result. I'm a hobby psephologist though so I like to see how other countries do it whenever an election is run. Think I prefer our system though you do get some interesting outcomes.


i bet on Conservatives getting the most seat, so my money cares :lol:
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exit polls saying Conservatives with 316, might be able to win with a very weaker LIB Dem

SNP winning 57 out 59 seats in Scotland

all the per election polls had Conservatives winning less seats, but exit polls saying they win 14 more....I think the raise of SNP will see England become more Conservatives



Edited by adrtho: 8/5/2015 07:46:25 AM
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i will call the the election early...Conservatives and Lib Dem should win enough seats to form government
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Lol wtf bicky?! Who would possibly engage in a shit fight with Ricecrackerss for that long?! Especially when your first post was rebuking someone for engaging him :lol:

All I can offer is that it seemed like a good idea at the time:oops:

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biscuitman1871 wrote:
Eastern Glory wrote:
Lol wtf bicky?! Who would possibly engage in a shit fight with Ricecrackerss for that long?! Especially when your first post was rebuking someone for engaging him :lol:

All I can offer is that it seemed like a good idea at the time:oops:

Boredom gets the best of us all mate :lol:
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Surprised no bombs or beheadings have taken place

Stay classy Queenslander ;)
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dribble mouth (aka "biscuitman1871" ) is nowhere to be seen

:-$

Edited by ricecrackers: 8/5/2015 01:06:11 PM
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ah there you are

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Lol wtf bicky?! Who would possibly engage in a shit fight with Ricecrackerss for that long?! Especially when your first post was rebuking someone for engaging him :lol:

All I can offer is that it seemed like a good idea at the time:oops:


you should've taken me up on my deal
at least you could exit the forum with some dignity
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ricecrackers wrote:
dayum

dribble mouth (aka "biscuitman1871" ) is nowhere to be seen

:-$

Edited by ricecrackers: 8/5/2015 01:06:11 PM


congratulations - your uninformed prediction appears to be have been more accurate than my uninformed prediction.

You really are a fucking tool

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How come the conservatives fail to make much impact in most of Scotland?
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biscuitman1871 wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
dayum

dribble mouth (aka "biscuitman1871" ) is nowhere to be seen

:-$

Edited by ricecrackers: 8/5/2015 01:06:11 PM


congratulations - your uninformed prediction appears to be have been more accurate than my uninformed prediction.

You really are a fucking tool


what makes you think my prediction was uninformed?

I see you have no dignity whatsoever. You blew your big chance.

Edited by ricecrackers: 8/5/2015 01:40:46 PM
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ricecrackers wrote:
biscuitman1871 wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
dayum

dribble mouth (aka "biscuitman1871" ) is nowhere to be seen

:-$

Edited by ricecrackers: 8/5/2015 01:06:11 PM


congratulations - your uninformed prediction appears to be have been more accurate than my uninformed prediction.

You really are a fucking tool


what makes you think my prediction was uninformed?

I see you have no dignity whatsoever. You blew your big chance.

Edited by ricecrackers: 8/5/2015 01:40:46 PM


Yes, you must have known more than YouGov and all of the independent pollsters. I bow to your knowledge.

Enjoy talking to yourself cockspank.

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biscuitman1871 wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
biscuitman1871 wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
dayum

dribble mouth (aka "biscuitman1871" ) is nowhere to be seen

:-$

Edited by ricecrackers: 8/5/2015 01:06:11 PM


congratulations - your uninformed prediction appears to be have been more accurate than my uninformed prediction.

You really are a fucking tool


what makes you think my prediction was uninformed?

I see you have no dignity whatsoever. You blew your big chance.

Edited by ricecrackers: 8/5/2015 01:40:46 PM


Yes, you must have known more than YouGov and all of the independent pollsters. I bow to your knowledge.

Enjoy talking to yourself cockspank.


lol @ independent pollsters, nobody is independent

sucking in campaign donations is a business model

you're really not too bright.

I'm enjoying your complete meltdown as its well deserved
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How come the conservatives fail to make much impact in most of Scotland?


Because they fucking hate them after Thatcher's reign of terror. She closed down the mines and shipyards so thousands of people lost their jobs and then cut welfare so these people couldn't even feed their families. She then implemented the poll tax there first which went down a fucking treat with those communities.

Scotland saw Toryism at it's worst and see Cameron as an extension of that legacy.

Viennese Vuck

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Eastern Glory wrote:
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Surprised no bombs or beheadings have taken place

Stay classy Queenslander ;)


You can never rule out terrorism during a big event, I'm not an islamaphobe ;)

Having been the England a few times I'm an expert ;)
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SlyGoat36 wrote:
Eastern Glory wrote:
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Surprised no bombs or beheadings have taken place

Stay classy Queenslander ;)


You can never rule out terrorism during a big event, I'm not an islamaphobe ;)

Having been the England a few times I'm an expert ;)


Who said anything about Islam? ;)

I'll chalk that up as a win :lol:
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You muppets clearly have no idea about UKIP :lol:

But yeah keep reading the Guardian and telling yourself that UKIP is "racist" and Labour has Britains best interests at heart :lol:


Iridium1010 wrote:
How come the conservatives fail to make much impact in most of Scotland?


Because of Scottish people.
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433 wrote:
You muppets clearly have no idea about UKIP :lol:

But yeah keep reading the Guardian and telling yourself that UKIP is "racist" and Labour has Britains best interests at heart :lol:


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How come the conservatives fail to make much impact in most of Scotland?


Because of Scottish people.


Nothing about the outcome of this election surprises me.
Majority just swallow the media propaganda whole. No ability to critically think, its not really their fault.

You see what happens when you put one of the simpletons on the spot... their head explodes.
Not that I have anything against simps, but if they decide to take a shot at me they'll get their just desserts.


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biscuitman1871 wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
biscuitman1871 wrote:
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LOL @ "neck and neck"

its all theatre to suck you into the vortex of bullshit and make more money for media

[size=8]Tories to be returned easily, you can count on it[/size]


Ok then, what do you base that on then? Are you anticipating that the Conservatives will enough seats outright to form Government (despite polls suggesting otherwise)?

I doubt the Lib Dems can afford to go into Coalition with the Tories again, with many of their voting base feeling betrayed after 2010. Clegg is also determined to block any EU Exit Referendum which Cameron has promised so I can't see them being too chummy anymore.

Even with continuation of the Coalition, I can't see the Tories being able to pass much in the Commons with less than 300 projected seats.

It seems the only thing the other parties are united by is the fact that most of their manifesto's have something to the effect of "Fuck the Tories" in the first line.


You must not have noticed who you were responding to. The FourFourTwo equivalent of the Monster Raving Loony Party.


we can revisit this thread when Cameron is returned

you up for that dribble mouth?


You are a very brave keyboard warrior.


afraid I might be right already? you can chicken out now if you wish


Nothing to do with whether you are right or wrong. [size=8] IMO melbourne_terrace's assessment is much more likely than your "Tories to be returned easily" prediction.[/size]

I am just commenting on how brave you are throwing out insults on a forum that you wouldn't have the guts to say to someone's face.

Edited by biscuitman1871: 7/5/2015 01:36:17 PM




...but not ricecrackers

so much win :cool:
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Examples of someone's head exploding:

ricecrackers wrote:
mcjules wrote:
The last few posts have provided yet more compelling evidence that...
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Edited by mcjules: 18/11/2014 01:14:20 PM


what kind of sicko looks for pictures of boys on the internet :oops:

are you trying to groom me? i'm far too old in any case

I should report you

Edited by ricecrackers: 18/11/2014 01:20:06 PM



ricecrackers wrote:
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I said


you :oops: stalking boys on the internet and looking up pictures

you're very sick

Incredibly lame. This is why I don't waste my time with you.


you started it you sicko
leave me alone you creepy man


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you follow me all over the forum and now you're spamming lies all over the place
why? are you hurt so badly?


You do realise that you tell everyone that they follow you around, right? Is it that you're actually that infatuated with PB, me and yourself that you actually think you're that important, or do you actually suffer from some form of dementia and/or schizophrenia that would honestly help explain a lot of what is said.


you're another one
you pop in when you're not invited and you make personal snipes

here's the deal:
1. you are stupid
2. you cannot defeat me in any argument (instigated by you as you are unable to communicate in a civil manner)
3. you are frustrated at your apparent stupidity and this has brought great pain to your butt
4. you attempt to gain e-revenge by sniping, lying and unionising with other forum members who also satisfy points 1, 2 and 3 because you're unable to fight battles on your own

in addition to that, you've also admitted to stalking by searching for other instances of my existence on the internet
(yes I have evidence so dont bother trying to lie your way out of that one)

diagnosis: you're also sick in addition to being stupid

Edited by ricecrackers: 18/11/2014 02:10:40 PM


Then disappear from the forums for months.

But please continue to give me my just desserts.


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Eastern Glory wrote:
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Surprised no bombs or beheadings have taken place

Stay classy Queenslander ;)


You can never rule out terrorism during a big event, I'm not an islamaphobe ;)

Having been the England a few times I'm an expert ;)


Who said anything about Islam? ;)

I'll chalk that up as a win :lol:


Everyone in ET are leftie bigots :p
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ricecrackers wrote:
biscuitman1871 wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
biscuitman1871 wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
biscuitman1871 wrote:
melbourne_terrace wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
LOL @ "neck and neck"

its all theatre to suck you into the vortex of bullshit and make more money for media

[size=8]Tories to be returned easily, you can count on it[/size]


Ok then, what do you base that on then? Are you anticipating that the Conservatives will enough seats outright to form Government (despite polls suggesting otherwise)?

I doubt the Lib Dems can afford to go into Coalition with the Tories again, with many of their voting base feeling betrayed after 2010. Clegg is also determined to block any EU Exit Referendum which Cameron has promised so I can't see them being too chummy anymore.

Even with continuation of the Coalition, I can't see the Tories being able to pass much in the Commons with less than 300 projected seats.

It seems the only thing the other parties are united by is the fact that most of their manifesto's have something to the effect of "Fuck the Tories" in the first line.


You must not have noticed who you were responding to. The FourFourTwo equivalent of the Monster Raving Loony Party.


we can revisit this thread when Cameron is returned

you up for that dribble mouth?


You are a very brave keyboard warrior.


afraid I might be right already? you can chicken out now if you wish


Nothing to do with whether you are right or wrong. [size=8] IMO melbourne_terrace's assessment is much more likely than your "Tories to be returned easily" prediction.[/size]

I am just commenting on how brave you are throwing out insults on a forum that you wouldn't have the guts to say to someone's face.

Edited by biscuitman1871: 7/5/2015 01:36:17 PM




...but not ricecrackers

so much win :cool:


I see biscuitman1871 (dribble mouth) getting very desperate digging up old threads with no relevance to the topic at hand :d

the guy has lost it totally

not even man enough to admit he was wrong

quality human :-({|=
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you must have missed where I said

biscuitman1871 wrote:


congratulations - your uninformed prediction appears to be have been more accurate than my uninformed prediction.


If it was such a sure thing, you must have cleaned up from the bets you laid on the outcome.



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biscuitman1871 wrote:
you must have missed where I said

biscuitman1871 wrote:


congratulations - your uninformed prediction appears to be have been more accurate than my uninformed prediction.


If it was such a sure thing, you must have cleaned up from the bets you laid on the outcome.



I was willing to stake my forum account on it

you werent

so I put my 'money' where my 'mouth' is so to speak

you wimped out and now you're trying to rewrite history

as I said, quality individual you are :-$
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ricecrackers wrote:
biscuitman1871 wrote:
you must have missed where I said

biscuitman1871 wrote:


congratulations - your uninformed prediction appears to be have been more accurate than my uninformed prediction.


If it was such a sure thing, you must have cleaned up from the bets you laid on the outcome.



I was willing to stake my forum account on it

you werent

so I put my 'money' where my 'mouth' is so to speak

you wimped out and now you're trying to rewrite history

as I said, quality individual you are :-$


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poor dribble mouth

unfortunately he cant bully his way out of this one
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poor dribble mouth

unfortunately he cant bully his way out of this one



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adrtho wrote:
paulbagzFC wrote:
adrtho wrote:
Fourfiveone wrote:
adrtho wrote:
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adrtho wrote:
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The communist SNP will decide who form government...


I don't think you know either what "Communism" is or where the SNP stand on the political scale.


you don't think, and you don't know what I know

SNP is anti-American communist twats



No you're just a knob and don't have fucking clue.

To be left of Centre ≠ Communism (or even Socialism) in the same way that right wing parties like the Tories or UKIP ≠ Fascism.



left of center :lol:

you're a grade A muppets..you are so consistently wrong, that they should put your opinions in any model as a variable

UKIP will win one seat. maybe 2 seats ...they are just a organized Pauline Hanson, who get the right muppet votes

SNP is a threat to Australia's national security


Care to explain that last statement in detail?


what, about melbourne_terrace being a muppet ? :lol:


I actual tend to agree with him on a lot of things, but I was asking you to clarify a seemingly outrageous statement.

Edited by fourfiveone: 8/5/2015 04:23:52 AM


there so many reason why, Australian government, Australian SIS is concerned by SNP, and how they will act from being a State-regional government to the national level...the fact the SNP want to get ride of Trident is a automatic security risk to Australia



How?

-PB


anything, that dilutes British military power, is a automatic security risk to Australia , and has been for 200 years. this major diluting (British having no nuclear capability) would have to be made up somewhere else, By the USA or Australia

British being a nuclear capable military, has be a virtual guarantee of security for Australia, New Zealand and Canada . It also gave Australia some bargaining power in dealing with USA, and how Australian-USA relationship developed

Australia having both USA and British with nuclear capability, make for a far more secure Australia, then having USA alone




Edited by adrtho: 8/5/2015 08:15:32 AM


wot.

-PB

https://i.imgur.com/batge7K.jpg

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now he's editing posts and attributing them to me

this is aka flaming, which is what draupkick engaged in when he was owned numerous times. he went into spam mode his brain melted down so badly.

he knows better now

I'd advise against going down this path. its not good for your health and remember dribbles, you're ultimately doing this to yourself.

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So what have we learned these past couple of days Dribbler?

Everybody has a opinion, many of us have different insights outside your limited experiences, and you don't actually know everything even though you think you do.

That's why we discuss topics on forums; to learn, to share, to debate, however you seem more at ease by attempting to bully your views upon others rather than demonstrating a learning ability.

So if you're going to make things personal rather than debate the topic at hand, then be prepared to suffer the consequences of you being an authoritarian dick.
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ricecrackers wrote:
now he's editing posts and attributing them to me

this is aka flaming, which is what draupkick engaged in when he was owned numerous times. he went into spam mode his brain melted down so badly.

he knows better now

I'd advise against going down this path. its not good for your health and remember dribbles, you're ultimately doing this to yourself.




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ricecrackers wrote:
So what have we learned these past couple of days Dribbler?

Everybody has a opinion, many of us have different insights outside your limited experiences, and you don't actually know everything even though you think you do.

That's why we discuss topics on forums; to learn, to share, to debate, however you seem more at ease by attempting to bully your views upon others rather than demonstrating a learning ability.

So if you're going to make things personal rather than debate the topic at hand, then be prepared to suffer the consequences of you being an authoritarian dick.




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LOL no learning ability

Edited by ricecrackers: 8/5/2015 06:49:08 PM
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LOL no learning ability

Edited by ricecrackers: 8/5/2015 06:49:08 PM




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:d total meltdown





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you can say what you want about ricecrackers......but he did call the election right, when everyone else said it be to close to call (including me)

the amount of seats the Conservatives won. is a totally shock
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UKIP has one seat...but they finished 2nd in 86 seats....the success of radical parties like UKIP, and SNP is just more of the trend we seeing Europe, Europe is becoming more radical on the left and right

Edited by adrtho: 8/5/2015 09:19:11 PM
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Ricecrackers deserves much more credit than what you guys give him.
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personally, i think the raise of SNP (winning almost every seat in Scotland) will see England massively move towards the Conservatives,
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Will the success of the SNP lead to another Scottish referendum?

I saw this and thought 'oh you silly guys, you should have waited and then pushed for your referendum' but then again, is their anything to stop them from having another referendum in the next few years?

Labour shouldn't have campaigned against Scottish independence last year. I'm guessing they must have alienated a lot of Scottish voters. They could have used that issue to to really separate themselves from the Conservatives in a way which would have garnered a lot of support in Scottish quarters. So many of the Scots loathe the Tories. It surely would have been very expedient for them to appeal to those sentiments (by not alienating Scottish voters as a result of support the campaign against Scottish independence).

Truth be told, I thought it was in poor taste for any non-Scottish politician to campaign against Scottish independence. Let them decide for themselves. I say that as somebody who doesn't know whether or not it was in Scotland's best interests to stay in the UK. And I heard tell that the BBC manipulated footage to portray the ant-Independence campaign in a better light. Not sure if that's true or not.
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What impact will the Tory victory have on the prospect of an EU referendum?

I'm given to understand such a thing would be fool-hardy because the UK stands to lose far more than it would gain if they left the EU. It would be a different story if they had never joined the EU in the first place (like say Norway). But leaving now that they've joined would have negative economic consequences.
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You gotta hand it to Lynton Crosby.

The guy's a genius. However much one may or may not hate John Howard, Crosby masterminded his election campaigns. Now he has used his wedge-politics to return David Cameron with ease.
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Will the success of the SNP lead to another Scottish referendum?

I saw this and thought 'oh you silly guys, you should have waited and then pushed for your referendum' but then again, is their anything to stop them from having another referendum in the next few years?

Labour shouldn't have campaigned against Scottish independence last year. I'm guessing they must have alienated a lot of Scottish voters. They could have used that issue to to really separate themselves from the Conservatives in a way which would have garnered a lot of support in Scottish quarters. So many of the Scots loathe the Tories. It surely would have been very expedient for them to appeal to those sentiments (by not alienating Scottish voters as a result of support the campaign against Scottish independence).

Truth be told, I thought it was in poor taste for any non-Scottish politician to campaign against Scottish independence. Let them decide for themselves. I say that as somebody who doesn't know whether or not it was in Scotland's best interests to stay in the UK. And I heard tell that the BBC manipulated footage to portray the ant-Independence campaign in a better light. Not sure if that's true or not.


If Labour had campaigned for Scottish independence, then there be a independent Scotland, and Labour would now be even more dead in England

If WA wanted to become independent from Australia, you believe the Australia PM or other Australian's shouldn't campaign? ...
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What impact will the Tory victory have on the prospect of an EU referendum?

I'm given to understand such a thing would be fool-hardy because the UK stands to lose far more than it would gain if they left the EU. It would be a different story if they had never joined the EU in the first place (like say Norway). But leaving now that they've joined would have negative economic consequences.


their will be EU referendum in UK...Cameron will use this EU referendum in UK, to try and move EU on many laws, and them Cameron will go back to UK people before EU referendum, and say we (UK) have got what we want, and the UK should stay in EU

EU referendum in UK will be very close call...The Scot will vote to stay in EU, but there only 5 million of them..UKIP got a lot of votes in Labour zones , i think UK could vote out of EU

EU is really fuck, they have no growth for 8 years , they missed (fucked up) what should have been a great advantages 10 years ago, when 200 million cheap educated workers from Eastern Europe came on line...


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4 million votes and 1 seat, yay democracy.
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4 million votes and 1 seat, yay democracy.


Thank f*ck for that - proportional representation is a nightmare that gives voice to the lunatic minority.
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adrtho wrote:
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What impact will the Tory victory have on the prospect of an EU referendum?

I'm given to understand such a thing would be fool-hardy because the UK stands to lose far more than it would gain if they left the EU. It would be a different story if they had never joined the EU in the first place (like say Norway). But leaving now that they've joined would have negative economic consequences.


their will be EU referendum in UK...Cameron will use this EU referendum in UK, to try and move EU on many laws, and them Cameron will go back to UK people before EU referendum, and say we (UK) have got what we want, and the UK should stay in EU

EU referendum in UK will be very close call...The Scot will vote to stay in EU, but there only 5 million of them..UKIP got a lot of votes in Labour zones , i think UK could vote out of EU

EU is really fuck, they have no growth for 8 years , they missed (fucked up) what should have been a great advantages 10 years ago, when 200 million cheap educated workers from Eastern Europe came on line...


Scotland, Wales and (maybe) NI want to stay and are calling for a required majority in each nation for the UK to leave.

If England tries to force the UK out of the EU then Scotland will immediately demand another independence referendum and likely win. The Tories might have the overall majority but they have no mandate in Scotland and the electorate are pissed off at Westminster at the lack of action following the "No" vote.

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quickflick wrote:
Will the success of the SNP lead to another Scottish referendum?

I saw this and thought 'oh you silly guys, you should have waited and then pushed for your referendum' but then again, is their anything to stop them from having another referendum in the next few years?

Labour shouldn't have campaigned against Scottish independence last year. I'm guessing they must have alienated a lot of Scottish voters. They could have used that issue to to really separate themselves from the Conservatives in a way which would have garnered a lot of support in Scottish quarters. So many of the Scots loathe the Tories. It surely would have been very expedient for them to appeal to those sentiments (by not alienating Scottish voters as a result of support the campaign against Scottish independence).

Truth be told, I thought it was in poor taste for any non-Scottish politician to campaign against Scottish independence. Let them decide for themselves. I say that as somebody who doesn't know whether or not it was in Scotland's best interests to stay in the UK. And I heard tell that the BBC manipulated footage to portray the ant-Independence campaign in a better light. Not sure if that's true or not.


It depends. Sturgeon has said that as things stand, there is no short term prospect for another referendum as it would likely be the same result. If a EU exit looks likely or a refusal to grant devo-max as promised happens then there certainly will be.

Scottish Voters were already disillusioned following Blair, Gordon and their New Labour shitefest, as the party shifted further to the right but they continued to vote for them as their was no real alternative and anything was better than the tories. But Labour campaigning alongside the Tories for the no campaign has backfired spectacularly.

They've been labelled as "Red Tories" for this perceived betrayal along with their continued backing of Austerity and the Trident program and are now perceived as simply an extension of an unpopular westminster (and English) establishment.

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4 million votes and 1 seat, yay democracy.


Thank f*ck for that - proportional representation is a nightmare that gives voice to the lunatic minority.


or the intelligentsia minority

but you seem to be one who believes the great unwashed is always right

its not a very progressive view

in the current format you get to be manipulated by those more intelligent than you, rather than give those other intelligent members of the public with good intentions a voice

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4 million votes and 1 seat, yay democracy.


Thank f*ck for that - proportional representation is a nightmare that gives voice to the lunatic minority.


God forbid that the voting patterns of the public are reflected in parliament eh?

But hey, if your happy with the labor/Tory - democrat/republican - labor/Liberal dichotomy that has worked so well the last few years good for you.
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433 wrote:
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4 million votes and 1 seat, yay democracy.


Thank f*ck for that - proportional representation is a nightmare that gives voice to the lunatic minority.


God forbid that the voting patterns of the public are reflected in parliament eh?

But hey, if your happy with the labor/Tory - democrat/republican - labor/Liberal dichotomy that has worked so well the last few years good for you.


I don't support UKIP in anyway but it is a major flaw in the Westminster system. The makeup of Parliament should reflect what people vote for and give parties like the Greens and UKIP more of a say if that's what the electorate want.

The SNP are actually campaigning for a system like this even though it would certainly lessen their effect in westminster. Personally I don't mind as long as Scotland gets full fiscal autonomy as promised by the three major parties.

Edited by melbourne_terrace: 9/5/2015 11:03:14 PM

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What impact will the Tory victory have on the prospect of an EU referendum?

I'm given to understand such a thing would be fool-hardy because the UK stands to lose far more than it would gain if they left the EU. It would be a different story if they had never joined the EU in the first place (like say Norway). But leaving now that they've joined would have negative economic consequences.


their will be EU referendum in UK...Cameron will use this EU referendum in UK, to try and move EU on many laws, and them Cameron will go back to UK people before EU referendum, and say we (UK) have got what we want, and the UK should stay in EU

EU referendum in UK will be very close call...The Scot will vote to stay in EU, but there only 5 million of them..UKIP got a lot of votes in Labour zones , i think UK could vote out of EU

EU is really fuck, they have no growth for 8 years , they missed (fucked up) what should have been a great advantages 10 years ago, when 200 million cheap educated workers from Eastern Europe came on line...


Scotland, Wales and (maybe) NI want to stay and are calling for a required majority in each nation for the UK to leave.

If England tries to force the UK out of the EU then Scotland will immediately demand another independence referendum and likely win. The Tories might have the overall majority but they have no mandate in Scotland and the electorate are pissed off at Westminster at the lack of action following the "No" vote.


the problem for Scotland. is they have this general belief (push by SNP) Scotland will gain automatic acceptance into the EU, the fact is a independent Scotland (after last referendum) would have seen there application to join EU veto by number of countries. Spain 100%...Scotland independent would just open a can of worms for every big country in the EU, all the unique regional zones with in the Big EU countries , would believe they have a chance of independent country with in the big framework of the EU

Now, if Scotland has some how manged to get over this giant veto hurdle, The Scotland would had zero negotiation power with the EU, Scotland would have to accept virtually everything EU wants, Fast track Schengen zone acceptance, and economic policies that lead to Euro doller...Schengen zone acceptance, would mean a Scottish English passport border , EU would not let Scotland do the same as Ireland

Now, if Uk votes out of EU, then it might be easier for Scotland to join the EU, but you will still end up with a passport boarder

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if countries like Australia and USA sign free trade agreements with the EU, and all the other free trade agreements Australia and USA sign with other countries , then one of UK major benefits of being part of a EU ( trade block) disappears

The UK has seen Australia, and Canada consistently grown their economies at very fast rate, and sign free trade agreements all around the world

The UK wants to take back control from EU on many things
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Meanwhile riots have just broken out in London and the BBC arent even covering it.
That's what happens when you set false expectations.
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look at the masked hooded ones, you know they're up to no good

more coverage on social media than actual accredited media



Edited by ricecrackers: 10/5/2015 12:00:06 PM
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Meanwhile riots have just broken out in London and the BBC arent even covering it.

Currently 2nd story on the UK page after post election Ministerial position reshuffles.
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Meanwhile riots have just broken out in London and the BBC arent even covering it.

Currently 2nd story on the UK page after post election Ministerial position reshuffles.


nothing on the television

eventually they'll be forced to cover it, but why so late to the game
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more coverage on social media than actual accredited media

You're welcome to join us in the 21st century any time.
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adrtho wrote:
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What impact will the Tory victory have on the prospect of an EU referendum?

I'm given to understand such a thing would be fool-hardy because the UK stands to lose far more than it would gain if they left the EU. It would be a different story if they had never joined the EU in the first place (like say Norway). But leaving now that they've joined would have negative economic consequences.


their will be EU referendum in UK...Cameron will use this EU referendum in UK, to try and move EU on many laws, and them Cameron will go back to UK people before EU referendum, and say we (UK) have got what we want, and the UK should stay in EU

EU referendum in UK will be very close call...The Scot will vote to stay in EU, but there only 5 million of them..UKIP got a lot of votes in Labour zones , i think UK could vote out of EU

EU is really fuck, they have no growth for 8 years , they missed (fucked up) what should have been a great advantages 10 years ago, when 200 million cheap educated workers from Eastern Europe came on line...


Scotland, Wales and (maybe) NI want to stay and are calling for a required majority in each nation for the UK to leave.

If England tries to force the UK out of the EU then Scotland will immediately demand another independence referendum and likely win. The Tories might have the overall majority but they have no mandate in Scotland and the electorate are pissed off at Westminster at the lack of action following the "No" vote.


the problem for Scotland. is they have this general belief (push by SNP) Scotland will gain automatic acceptance into the EU, the fact is a independent Scotland (after last referendum) would have seen there application to join EU veto by number of countries. Spain 100%...Scotland independent would just open a can of worms for every big country in the EU, all the unique regional zones with in the Big EU countries , would believe they have a chance of independent country with in the big framework of the EU

Now, if Scotland has some how manged to get over this giant veto hurdle, The Scotland would had zero negotiation power with the EU, Scotland would have to accept virtually everything EU wants, Fast track Schengen zone acceptance, and economic policies that lead to Euro doller...Schengen zone acceptance, would mean a Scottish English passport border , EU would not let Scotland do the same as Ireland

Now, if Uk votes out of EU, then it might be easier for Scotland to join the EU, but you will still end up with a passport boarder


These are fair points, in fact they are all criticisms I had of the "Yes" Campaigns White paper. I'd rather see Scotland adopt the Euro, despite its flaws, as keeping the pound whilst England sets monetary policy is ridiculous and the EU won't take no for an answer. As for the schengen zone vs common travel area, it was never made clear but it would be a tough sell either way. I think that in order to keep a somewhat good relationship with the UK, there would be an avenue to keep the status quote. Isolating communities benefits no one.

And yes, the Spanish government are losing their mind trying to shut down independence campaigns from the Basque and Catelonians. Maybe they could come to an agreement where Scotland publicly supports the return of Gibraltar to Spain.theres always possibilities

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ricecrackers wrote:
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Meanwhile riots have just broken out in London and the BBC arent even covering it.

Currently 2nd story on the UK page after post election Ministerial position reshuffles.


nothing on the television

eventually they'll be forced to cover it, but why so late to the game


Are you watching live? If it's on the site surely it's seconds away from having a story filed on TV. It's surely on the ticker.

Looks pretty small tbh.
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paladisious wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
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Meanwhile riots have just broken out in London and the BBC arent even covering it.

Currently 2nd story on the UK page after post election Ministerial position reshuffles.


nothing on the television

eventually they'll be forced to cover it, but why so late to the game


Are you watching live? If it's on the site surely it's seconds away from having a story filed on TV. It's surely on the ticker.

Looks pretty small tbh.


Are you there? How could you possibly know that?
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ricecrackers wrote:
paladisious wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
paladisious wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
Meanwhile riots have just broken out in London and the BBC arent even covering it.

Currently 2nd story on the UK page after post election Ministerial position reshuffles.


nothing on the television

eventually they'll be forced to cover it, but why so late to the game


Are you watching live? If it's on the site surely it's seconds away from having a story filed on TV. It's surely on the ticker.

Looks pretty small tbh.


Are you there? How could you possibly know that?


How could you know it's not?

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Its ricecrackers . he knows everything
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I've made no definitive statement about the size of the riots.
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Go ricey go :lol:
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ricecrackers wrote:
I've made no definitive statement about the size of the riots.


Because you never have an opinion for fear of it being wrong lol.

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Surely this thread is ricecrackers mkIII's magnum opus. I'm sorry I won't be alive many many years in the future when his obituary reads
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As a young child at school, "ricecrackers" was able accurately predict the 2015 UK general election devastating proclaimed experts "biscuitman" and "melbourne_terrace" who have devoted their lives to the politics of the United Kingdom and analysing relevant polls.

The ensuing posts were a masterclass of ad hominem attacks and petty name calling that have been the bible of keyboard warriors ever since.

Despite being a "hero of the school yard" for a few fleeting moments, it's unfortunate that despite such potential he could not find any use for these skills in the real world and became totally absorbed into his online persona...


Edited by mcjules: 10/5/2015 04:41:04 PM

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mcjules wrote:
Surely this thread is ricecrackers mkIII's magnum opus. I'm sorry I won't be alive many many years in the future when his obituary reads
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As a young child at school, "ricecrackers" was able accurately predict the 2015 UK general election devastating proclaimed experts "biscuitman" and "melbourne_terrace" who have devoted their lives to the politics of the United Kingdom and analysing relevant polls.

The ensuing posts were a masterclass of ad hominem attacks and petty name calling that have been the bible of keyboard warriors ever since.

Despite being a "hero of the school yard" for a few fleeting moments, it's unfortunate that despite such potential he could not find any use for these skills in the real world and became totally absorbed into his online persona...


Edited by mcjules: 10/5/2015 04:41:04 PM


you're trying too hard
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ricecrackers wrote:
mcjules wrote:
Surely this thread is ricecrackers mkIII's magnum opus. I'm sorry I won't be alive many many years in the future when his obituary reads
Quote:
As a young child at school, "ricecrackers" was able accurately predict the 2015 UK general election devastating proclaimed experts "biscuitman" and "melbourne_terrace" who have devoted their lives to the politics of the United Kingdom and analysing relevant polls.

The ensuing posts were a masterclass of ad hominem attacks and petty name calling that have been the bible of keyboard warriors ever since.

Despite being a "hero of the school yard" for a few fleeting moments, it's unfortunate that despite such potential he could not find any use for these skills in the real world and became totally absorbed into his online persona...


Edited by mcjules: 10/5/2015 04:41:04 PM


you're trying too hard

Wrote it very quickly on a lazy Sunday afternoon. I think I put in an appropriate amount of effort and I enjoyed writing it. One post compared to pages of troll posts. I and everyone else here knows who's "trying too hard" ;)

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mcjules wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
mcjules wrote:
Surely this thread is ricecrackers mkIII's magnum opus. I'm sorry I won't be alive many many years in the future when his obituary reads
Quote:
As a young child at school, "ricecrackers" was able accurately predict the 2015 UK general election devastating proclaimed experts "biscuitman" and "melbourne_terrace" who have devoted their lives to the politics of the United Kingdom and analysing relevant polls.

The ensuing posts were a masterclass of ad hominem attacks and petty name calling that have been the bible of keyboard warriors ever since.

Despite being a "hero of the school yard" for a few fleeting moments, it's unfortunate that despite such potential he could not find any use for these skills in the real world and became totally absorbed into his online persona...


Edited by mcjules: 10/5/2015 04:41:04 PM


you're trying too hard

Wrote it very quickly on a lazy Sunday afternoon. I think I put in an appropriate amount of effort and I enjoyed writing it. One post compared to pages of troll posts. I and everyone else here knows who's "trying too hard" ;)


you speak for everybody do you?
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To be fair credit should be given where credit is due.

Called it early and called it correctly.



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Munrubenmuz wrote:
To be fair credit should be given where credit is due.

Called it early and called it correctly.


He did and fair play to him. But he has carried on like a knob as he usually does.

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melbourne_terrace wrote:
Munrubenmuz wrote:
To be fair credit should be given where credit is due.

Called it early and called it correctly.


He did and fair play to him. But he has carried on like a knob as he usually does.

That would be the issue.

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so much sour grapes
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I'd have thought people would have learned how to avoid getting into shitfights with ricecrackers, apparently not.


Always back the winning horse.

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melbourne_terrace wrote:
adrtho wrote:
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What impact will the Tory victory have on the prospect of an EU referendum?

I'm given to understand such a thing would be fool-hardy because the UK stands to lose far more than it would gain if they left the EU. It would be a different story if they had never joined the EU in the first place (like say Norway). But leaving now that they've joined would have negative economic consequences.


their will be EU referendum in UK...Cameron will use this EU referendum in UK, to try and move EU on many laws, and them Cameron will go back to UK people before EU referendum, and say we (UK) have got what we want, and the UK should stay in EU

EU referendum in UK will be very close call...The Scot will vote to stay in EU, but there only 5 million of them..UKIP got a lot of votes in Labour zones , i think UK could vote out of EU

EU is really fuck, they have no growth for 8 years , they missed (fucked up) what should have been a great advantages 10 years ago, when 200 million cheap educated workers from Eastern Europe came on line...


Scotland, Wales and (maybe) NI want to stay and are calling for a required majority in each nation for the UK to leave.

If England tries to force the UK out of the EU then Scotland will immediately demand another independence referendum and likely win. The Tories might have the overall majority but they have no mandate in Scotland and the electorate are pissed off at Westminster at the lack of action following the "No" vote.


the problem for Scotland. is they have this general belief (push by SNP) Scotland will gain automatic acceptance into the EU, the fact is a independent Scotland (after last referendum) would have seen there application to join EU veto by number of countries. Spain 100%...Scotland independent would just open a can of worms for every big country in the EU, all the unique regional zones with in the Big EU countries , would believe they have a chance of independent country with in the big framework of the EU

Now, if Scotland has some how manged to get over this giant veto hurdle, The Scotland would had zero negotiation power with the EU, Scotland would have to accept virtually everything EU wants, Fast track Schengen zone acceptance, and economic policies that lead to Euro doller...Schengen zone acceptance, would mean a Scottish English passport border , EU would not let Scotland do the same as Ireland

Now, if Uk votes out of EU, then it might be easier for Scotland to join the EU, but you will still end up with a passport boarder


These are fair points, in fact they are all criticisms I had of the "Yes" Campaigns White paper. I'd rather see Scotland adopt the Euro, despite its flaws, as keeping the pound whilst England sets monetary policy is ridiculous and the EU won't take no for an answer. As for the schengen zone vs common travel area, it was never made clear but it would be a tough sell either way. I think that in order to keep a somewhat good relationship with the UK, there would be an avenue to keep the status quote. Isolating communities benefits no one.

And yes, the Spanish government are losing their mind trying to shut down independence campaigns from the Basque and Catelonians. Maybe they could come to an agreement where Scotland publicly supports the return of Gibraltar to Spain.theres always possibilities


the picture you paint of Scotland using something like Gibraltar dispute as a bargaining chip, is a very really scenario, along with many other Anti-English and Anti-American move, It's why no Australian Government will ever support an independent Scotland with the way SNP is run today..When Australian PM Tony Abbott open he mouth said "independent Scotland is not a benefit to the world" Abbott stated exactly what the Australian government thinks, and when I say Australian government, I don't mean the the political government in power today or tomorrow, I mean all the men and women who work in the various Australian government departments and agencies..The truth is, Australia would work actively , to undermined Scottish independence in it's present state

independent Scotland doesn't have to be view as bad for Australia, It could be view as neutral to Australia, as you have developed Nation involved, that not only democratic , but has the same legal system as Australia...But SNP almost believe they have a right to do what ever they want :lol:



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Meanwhile riots have just broken out in London and the BBC arent even covering it.
That's what happens when you set false expectations.


it's on BBC ,it's on 10pm news and other local BBC news programs...BBC in Australia, is BBC world News, i'm not sure how big and world interesting some local protests is ? to you it is i guess


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Munrubenmuz wrote:
To be fair credit should be given where credit is due.

Called it early and called it correctly.


Even a stopped clock is correct twice a day.
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Benjamin wrote:
Munrubenmuz wrote:
To be fair credit should be given where credit is due.

Called it early and called it correctly.


Even a stopped clock is correct twice a day.

:lol: :lol: :lol:
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Benjamin wrote:
Munrubenmuz wrote:
To be fair credit should be given where credit is due.

Called it early and called it correctly.


Even a stopped clock is correct twice a day.


but that stop clock said, he will leave (this chat site) if he was wrong....everyone had a chance to call he buff , and no body did it
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MvFCArsenal16.8 - 10 Years Ago
                     I've made no definitive statement about the size of the riots.
ricecrackers - 10 Years Ago
                     Go ricey go :lol:
paladisious - 10 Years Ago
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                     ricecrackers wrote: mcjules wrote: Surely this thread is...
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mcjules - 10 Years Ago
                     so much sour grapes
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