Cherry picking? The US is the biggest economy in the world. Thats one BF Cherry. When it sneezes, the world catches a cold.

Singapore also has an economy dependent on oil, and manufacturing of high tech and biotech products.

The Swiss make watches. They make pharmaceuticals. They apply protectionism to their agriculture.

just listen to Jean-Claude Juncker now....you voted out, your out....no reason to talk to you anymore

this is a man, who only last week went and meet Putin in Russia, who said we need to keep dialect open, when so many PM and presidents said it send a wrong message to go and meet Putin


it going to be shocking to watch, people like Juncker, to try to punish the UK people for voting in a democratic referendum, at the same time, trying to get the EU to drop the sanctions on Putin Russia

I hope so. It's the only salvation for Greece and its people!

Under-employment - caused not by lack of jobs, but by lack of low-skilled jobs. More money should be spent on those that lose out from globalisation in rich countries (namely - low skilled, low educated workers).

Real wages have not generally cut over time, however they have been stagnant. But again, there are many things that contribute to this, especially in the US - poor tax system, poor education system, low investment by govt in services etc.



There is some truth in that. But UK in particular was in dire straits BEFORE Thatcher came in. People forget about the "Winter of discontent" in the UK prior to Thatcher coming in.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_of_Discontent

I'm no fan of Thatcher, but the UK was already facing massive structural issues before she came in.



I would disagree with this - people employed in manufacturing were largely working class, blue collar. Its their children who became educated and moved into the middle class.



Absolute rubbish! The quality of TVs/cars/appliances is FAR better than that produced locally prior to globalisation. You are looking at the past with rose-coloured glasses. Totally inaccurate.

And more importantly they are all far cheaper in real terms - meaning that purchasing power is far higher than in the past.



The fact that you can just dismiss possibly the most amazing technological advance in human history as a "trinket" shows that you are just being disingenuous.

Do some research - smart phones have made HUGE positive changes for those in Africa, India etc where infrastructure is so poor.

You make me laugh!

I could be Chinese but it doesn't make one iota of a difference.

Most EU countries would be happy with this, Greece is not a pimple on the backside of the EU economy.

Greece are in the EU because they want to be.

no body is going to get any more referendum votes....no geek MP going to vote for a referendum vote now,,,they have just all seen the unthinkable happen

Edited by adrtho: 29/6/2016 04:56:53 PM

That's nothing.

He went to Greece and threatened them for days about the bail out at 17% interest rate. Either this he said, or Greece will have 1000% inflation.

No need for a referendum in Greece.

I the right party wins the next election, they will automatically invoke Article 50. There are 3 parties that run with this as their policy.

They advocate default.

And last time I was there, I never met anyone who had anything good to say about the EU. There was a demonstration with 1 million people just a few months ago.

Edited by Aikhme: 29/6/2016 04:59:36 PM

Well that just goes to show how ill informed you are.

The EU doesn't want to get rid of Greece. They are doing everything possible to prevent Greece from leaving. WHY? Because that would be the end of the Eurozone.

That is the reason why they hate the Brits now.

Britain has done the right thing. Bless them for challenging the establishment!

Here are some more names that are being tossed around

Departugal, Italeave, Fruckoff, Czechout, Oustria, Finish, Latervia, Byegium, Luxembark, Splitzerland, Retireland, Exitpol, Adieutschland, Ditchenstein...

but most greek don't want to leave the EU...there no way anybody can take the risk of a EU leave vote now ....it now a different ball game

It's constantly changing.

If you ask this question today, they will get close to 50%.

If you ask in 2 years time, 75% will euro skeptic.

Just like the banking system , the EU is too big too fail.
It is renowned for its fudging to get an outcome , so wait and see.

How?Just look at the trade deficits.

It is in their mutual interest to put together a trade deal that benefits them both.



Any source for this or just pure conjecture?



How so?

this what happens the day the UK leave the EU

so, what will come out of the European leader meeting (PM and Presidents of 28 EU countries) will be much softer, then the shit that coming out of the EU parliament and EU commission now

the EU parliament and EU commission have shown the world, they are happy to fucking see the EU countries lose jobs as fast as they can , along as they get to protective there hurt feelings and egos (there jobs and status)

Edited by adrtho: 29/6/2016 07:52:18 PM

LOL indeed

The exact quote was "I know that virtually none of you have ever done a proper job in your lives, or worked in business, or worked in trade or indeed ever created a job".

But well in for spotting the gulag survivor.

Yes I watched the video. Clearly that image is good because a guy that had a proper job was in the very same frame as him. The Last Leg tonight had an interview with another Lithuanian MEP. Seems to be an entrepreneur that owns a multinational sports betting company. Pretty hard to do that without "creating jobs".

Anyway, I know nothing that he says needs to be accurate, it just needs to be what small minded people want to hear.

Yes it was populist. It was also brutally honest for a bunch of them and unusual for someone to speak like that which is why I enjoyed it.

True to a small degree or a large degree it was still good to hear.

The Australian parliament is full of people just like he was describing. Union hacks and/or political staffers straight out of uni parachuted or branch stacked into safe seats. Yes there's the odd businessmen, doctor or engineer but in the main they're hardly what you call a broad cross-section of the Australian community.

Spanish Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy opposes EU talks with Scotland

Mr Rajoy said that "if the UK goes, Scotland goes too".

"I want to be very clear," Mr Rajoy said. "Scotland does not have the competence to negotiate with the European Union. Spain opposes any negotiation by anyone other than the government of the United Kingdom.

"I am extremely against it, the treaties are extremely against it and I everyone is against it. If the United Kingdom leaves....Scotland leaves."


The French have also said they will block Scotland joining the EU




Edited by adrtho: 30/6/2016 04:34:23 AM

Edited by adrtho: 30/6/2016 03:13:16 AM

I don't know anything about the dude pictured in the background. But I'm looking forward to the direction this thread takes now. God I love this forum sometimes

New Zealand offers UK its top trade negotiators for post-Brexit deals

New Zealand has offered its top trade negotiators to the United Kingdom, relieving the British civil service as it prepares for the strain of seeking new deals with countries across the globe.

The Telegraph understands that the Commonwealth country has made an offer to loan staff to the UK in a diplomatic cable sent to the British civil service, which has few trade negotiators of its own.

Wellington’s olive branch came alongside an offer to discuss a trade agreement with the UK, which would help Britain get out of the starting blocks and begin replacing the trade access lost as a result of the Brexit vote.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/06/29/new-zealand-offers-uk-its-top-trade-negotiators-for-post-brexit/

Politicians in US, Australia, New Zealand and South Korea push for new UK trade deals after Brexit

Politicians in the United States, Australia, New Zealand and South Korea are keen to secure new trade deals with the UK as it prepares to leave the European Union.

In the US, speaker of the house Paul Ryan has said: “We need to emphasise that they are our indispensable ally, we have a special relationship, and I think that does mean we should have a trade agreement with England – with Great Britain.

“That is something we should begin discussions with Great Britain to ease concerns so that we do have a smooth trade relationship with Great Britain because they are our indispensable ally.”

He is also quoted saying: “We would probably want to put together our own trade agreement with Great Britain, which would be easier to do actually. We’re in talks with Europe on something we call TTIP, but I think we should do a parallel track of Great Britain – United Kingdom, excuse me – United Kingdom trade agreement while we talk with Europe about TTIP. It’s very important that we maintain our very strong alliance with England.”

The prime ministers of Australia and New Zealand, meanwhile, have said they will work together to make new arrangements with the UK post-Brexit.

According to ABC, Australian Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull has said he will team up with his New Zealand counterpart John Key to negotiate.

"We have many, many common interests in terms of dealing with that, both from a trade point of view, from a movement of persons point of view," he is quoted saying.

"There are some big issues in terms of the access of Australians and New Zealanders to Europe and indeed to the United Kingdom."

Business secretary Sajid Javid has also revealed that politicians from Australia and South Korea have been in contact to call for “immediate talks on trade deals with the UK”.

Javid also said that he would be visiting overseas markets including China, Hong Kong and Brazil in the coming months and “reminding firms there that the UK is still very much open for business, just as before”.

http://www.cityam.com/244449/politicians-us-australia-new-zealand-and-south-korea-push

Farage was a fucking commodity broker ffs :lol:

-PB

Spain has an interest in opposing Scotland leaving the UK, because they are worried about the Catalans seceding from Spain. So he doesn't want EU membership dangled in front of them.

However, if Scotland DID leave the UK, I have no doubt they will apply, and be accepted, into the EU.

That is absolutely untrue.

At the time of the Greek negotiation last year, the EU presented them with a "take it or leave it" offer. Greece leaving would be the end of nothing. In fact it would do much to stabilise the financial mechanisms of the EU.

Greece has a population of 11 million. The EU has a population of 503 million.

Greece's debt is 315 billion Euro. The EU economy is worth around 12 Trillion Euro.

Greece is a speck. The only thing that stopped them getting the boot was that no one had ever left the EU before. Now the UK has left, the taboo has been broken. Therefore I think the EU may be even less forgiving of the greek debt.

Edited by AzzaMarch: 30/6/2016 09:10:31 AM

Whilst there is a mutual interest to not go out of their way to punish the UK, you are missing the fact that the EU also has a strong interest in discouraging other countries from pursuing the same path as the UK. So they have an interest in making Brexit painful as well.

Also, London is the main financial hub of the EU. There has long been a desire by the EU to move this to a country that uses the Euro - likely Frankfurt. This was blocked by the European Court of Justice. Now the UK has left the EU they are outside the Court's jurisdiction.

So at the very least, the EU will do what they can to snatch as much of the banking and financial industry from London as they can.

Regarding the issue of trade - my point is that all the EU countries exist within a massive single market of 500 million people. I would argue that it is obvious that trade can be re-directed from the UK to other EU countries. I would also argue that it is obvious that this is harder for the UK as they have just removed themselves from this single market, and would have to finalise deals with a number of other countries, all geographically further away than the EU.

This should be obvious.

I cannot understand how anyone can seriously argue that the EU (single market of 500 million people) needs the UK more than the UK needs the EU.