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Why wasn't Maclaren selected for this ?
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moofa wrote:2-0 down 60 minutes in Fucking fantastic. Overhaul needed.
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Any chance of the U23's being available for stream tonight?
I know it is unlikely but they have an important tournament which doubles as our hardest qualifying tournament coming up and they are playing at the Hwaseong Sports Complex which has 35k capacity and should have decent facilities. If there is one it is much more likely to come from South Korea., where would be the best place to look? Looking on youtube Thailand seems to provide better coverage for U23 games than I have ever seen from Australia.
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Jonsnow wrote:Hahaha , maybe there should be a play off to see who goes to Bahrain .
That's that problem with football in this country , we always trying to push the younger age groups above their age , time after time it's a fail ,
Play 2 yrs up and your the next maradonna !
In the real world it don't happen , sorry :( Its generally only one or 2 at worst
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GloryPerth wrote:walnuts wrote:Any word of if anybody will be picking up these games in Australia? SBS will be telecasting the games. ;) Edit: Well I'm fairly sure they are, I came across it somewhere and they certainly have in the past, like with Dylan Tombides' Joeys generation (RIP). They sadly haven't promulgated it too much though - if they really are, then spruik so, on TWG, in a blog, press release or something?! ](*,) Yeap, they are: http://resources.fifa.com/mm/document/affederation/tv/02/57/94/16/fifau-17worldcupchile201504092015_neutral.pdfEdited by GloryPerth: 8/10/2015 05:34:01 PM I have been out of the country for two weeks so maybe have missed any advertising although they still have over a week till Australia's first match. Is it possible they might only stream it online even though hold the rights? With all the government funding cuts? Wouldn't be surprised but i hope not.
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Hahaha , maybe there should be a play off to see who goes to Bahrain . That's that problem with football in this country , we always trying to push the younger age groups above their age , time after time it's a fail , Play 2 yrs up and your the next maradonna ! In the real world it don't happen , sorry :(
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JDB03 wrote:GloryPerth wrote:clivesundies wrote:
You know more than me then, three players not considered good enough for u17s but in the u19s squad suggests that in the eyes of the coaches the u17s are of a better standard.
Indeed, the fact that they selected Nicholas D'Agostino in the U19 Squad, a player who just didn't make the cut for the Joeys WC squad - if that talent just outside the best possible squad saw promotion to the next gen U19s, then I'm certain the best performers/developers from this WC Joeys group will also shoot up to U19 level, ASAP. Didn't he get signed by brisbane after spending 1 year at ais? He is at Brisbane and has played youth and 1st team games in off season, debut v Villareal and 30 mins v Liverpool at least. My understanding is that he is not contracted at this time.
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GloryPerth wrote:clivesundies wrote:
You know more than me then, three players not considered good enough for u17s but in the u19s squad suggests that in the eyes of the coaches the u17s are of a better standard.
Indeed, the fact that they selected Nicholas D'Agostino in the U19 Squad, a player who just didn't make the cut for the Joeys WC squad - if that talent just outside the best possible squad saw promotion to the next gen U19s, then I'm certain the best performers/developers from this WC Joeys group will also shoot up to U19 level, ASAP. Didn't he get signed by brisbane after spending 1 year at ais?
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clivesundies wrote:
You know more than me then, three players not considered good enough for u17s but in the u19s squad suggests that in the eyes of the coaches the u17s are of a better standard.
Indeed, the fact that they selected Nicholas D'Agostino in the U19 Squad, a player who just didn't make the cut for the Joeys WC squad - if that talent just outside the best possible squad saw promotion to the next gen U19s, then I'm certain the best performers/developers from this WC Joeys group will also shoot up to U19 level, ASAP.
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walnuts wrote:Any word of if anybody will be picking up these games in Australia? SBS will be telecasting the games. ;) Edit: Well I'm fairly sure they are, I came across it somewhere and they certainly have in the past, like with Dylan Tombides' Joeys generation (RIP). They sadly haven't promulgated it too much though - if they really are, then spruik so, on TWG, in a blog, press release or something?! ](*,) Yeap, they are: http://resources.fifa.com/mm/document/affederation/tv/02/57/94/16/fifau-17worldcupchile201504092015_neutral.pdfEdited by GloryPerth: 8/10/2015 05:34:01 PM
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You know more than me then, three players not considered good enough for u17s but in the u19s squad suggests that in the eyes of the coaches the u17s are of a better standard.
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clivesundies wrote:Barca4Life wrote:Jonsnow wrote:GloryPerth wrote:Quote:http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/article/2015/10/07/joeys-skipper-caletti-prepared-daunting-group-under-17-world-cup[size=7] Joeys skipper Caletti prepared for daunting group at Under-17 World Cup[/size] [size=3] Caletti captained the Joeys in recent internationals (FOOTBALL FEDERATION AUSTRALIA)[/size] [size=5]The Joeys flew out today for the FIFA Under-17 World Cup and Joe Caletti, the team's regular captain in the build-up to the tournament, said the squad couldn't be better prepared for the difficult task ahead.[/size] [size=3]By Greg Prichard 7 Oct 2015 - 1:31 PM UPDATED 10 HOURS AGO[/size] [size=4]Australia is in Group C, alongside Germany, Argentina and Mexico, for the tournament, to be played in Chile from 17 October to 8 November. "It has been a very good preparation," Caletti said. "We've done everything we can to prepare well. We've been playing in the National Youth League and the Canberra league and we went on a tour in France last month and that was really good for us. We played the USA, a top French club team and France itself and that really helped get us ready for the World Cup." Caletti said that drawing a heavyweight group was not something to fear, but to embrace: "It is a tough group, but that makes it even more exciting," he said. "I think it all depends on our first game against Germany. If we go out with a good game plan, which I know we have, we'll be confident and if we can get past Germany we'll have every chance of doing well from there." Caletti, 17, has a long history in representative football and has been developed as a number six under Joeys coach Tony Vidmar. The youngster, who is from Dural in the north-west of Sydney but has been living in Canberra as part of the FFA's Centre of Excellence squad for the last two years, said the experience had been great for him as a player and a person. "I'm very happy with my football," Caletti said. "I feel confident about my ability to take on a World Cup. Everything is at a peak at the moment. Being away from home makes you grow up quickly. You have to look after yourself and become more responsible and get into a routine. You don't have mum to hold your hand anymore and I think that's part of the program." "Regardless of what happens from here, that experience of being disciplined and aiming at achieving something is going to be great for all of the players in the squad in our lives." Caletti, whose tremendous close control and ability to run the ball through traffic are among his best assets, said he had the freedom to take the ball forward under the right circumstances: "They play me as a six, but they like me to go forward," he said. "It's OK for me to do that, but I've got to make sure there is someone covering for me. I think it's a natural part of how I play. I like to take the ball forward, but I'm always looking to find someone else to connect with along the way, if that's the best option. I'm happy to get an assist." Caletti and the other members of the squad are approaching the start of the adult stage of their careers and how well they perform in the World Cup could have a huge bearing on what type of opportunities they get beyond that. "Our contract finishes in January and hopefully after that we get offers from clubs and get picked up," Caletti said. "The World Cup is a great opportunity for us. Everyone's watching the World Cup and it would be great for us to perform well as part of a team and help our careers. This is the biggest stage we can reach at this point." "I've got to make plans for my own future after this. It depends how I go in the World Cup and whether I can attract interest from clubs here or whether I can get some interest overseas. That could be an option as well. "It's a massive tournament for everyone in the squad, so we really want to put on a show." Asked what his best advice was for promising players in their early teens, Caletti focused on what he believed had taken him this far: "What I would say is that you've got to train hard all the time and be ready all the time, because you might only get one opportunity to impress someone," he said. "You've got to be ready to take that opportunity. You've got to put 100 per cent into training." "This World Cup is where I've got to perform. This is my time, my chance, and if I didn't train hard I wouldn't be in the position where I have this opportunity."[/size] [size=3]Date - Match - Venue - Kick-Off AEST/AEDT* 18-10-2015 - Australia v Germany - Estadio Municipal Nelson Oyarzún Arenas, Chillán - 7:00am* 21-10-2015 - Australia v Mexico - Estadio Municipal Nelson Oyarzún Arenas, Chillán - 10:00am* 24-10-2015 - Argentina v Australia - Estadio Municipal Nelson Oyarzún Arenas, Chillán - 8:00am*[/size] Mmmmmm, I watched that French game ............. Good luck to them at WC , they have got nothing to lose , if they play high and pressure the good teams they could be a chance ,must play again very high tempo for full 90 , that may be their downfall . We shall see You don't think any of the players from the under 17s could step up to the young socceroos set up? They looked quite promising from what i've seen from them. One has already stepped up Barca, Nicolas D'agostino is 17 and played in the u19 v Phillipines game and came on very late v Japan. I may be wrong and apologies if i am but i believe he wasnt included in the u17 world cup squad but Okon selected him for the u19. This is possibly an indication of the difference in quality between the 2 groups. Yes,I thought this very strange that they were 3 u17 players in the u19s especially in a World Cup year ,D'AGostino,Devlin and DeGoody all eligible for u17s . Not sure if they had spent much time with the u17s ,I know D'agostino was at AIS but left ,Devlin at Sutherland FC and DeGoody at Jets.
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Barca4Life wrote:Jonsnow wrote:GloryPerth wrote:Quote:http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/article/2015/10/07/joeys-skipper-caletti-prepared-daunting-group-under-17-world-cup[size=7] Joeys skipper Caletti prepared for daunting group at Under-17 World Cup[/size] [size=3] Caletti captained the Joeys in recent internationals (FOOTBALL FEDERATION AUSTRALIA)[/size] [size=5]The Joeys flew out today for the FIFA Under-17 World Cup and Joe Caletti, the team's regular captain in the build-up to the tournament, said the squad couldn't be better prepared for the difficult task ahead.[/size] [size=3]By Greg Prichard 7 Oct 2015 - 1:31 PM UPDATED 10 HOURS AGO[/size] [size=4]Australia is in Group C, alongside Germany, Argentina and Mexico, for the tournament, to be played in Chile from 17 October to 8 November. "It has been a very good preparation," Caletti said. "We've done everything we can to prepare well. We've been playing in the National Youth League and the Canberra league and we went on a tour in France last month and that was really good for us. We played the USA, a top French club team and France itself and that really helped get us ready for the World Cup." Caletti said that drawing a heavyweight group was not something to fear, but to embrace: "It is a tough group, but that makes it even more exciting," he said. "I think it all depends on our first game against Germany. If we go out with a good game plan, which I know we have, we'll be confident and if we can get past Germany we'll have every chance of doing well from there." Caletti, 17, has a long history in representative football and has been developed as a number six under Joeys coach Tony Vidmar. The youngster, who is from Dural in the north-west of Sydney but has been living in Canberra as part of the FFA's Centre of Excellence squad for the last two years, said the experience had been great for him as a player and a person. "I'm very happy with my football," Caletti said. "I feel confident about my ability to take on a World Cup. Everything is at a peak at the moment. Being away from home makes you grow up quickly. You have to look after yourself and become more responsible and get into a routine. You don't have mum to hold your hand anymore and I think that's part of the program." "Regardless of what happens from here, that experience of being disciplined and aiming at achieving something is going to be great for all of the players in the squad in our lives." Caletti, whose tremendous close control and ability to run the ball through traffic are among his best assets, said he had the freedom to take the ball forward under the right circumstances: "They play me as a six, but they like me to go forward," he said. "It's OK for me to do that, but I've got to make sure there is someone covering for me. I think it's a natural part of how I play. I like to take the ball forward, but I'm always looking to find someone else to connect with along the way, if that's the best option. I'm happy to get an assist." Caletti and the other members of the squad are approaching the start of the adult stage of their careers and how well they perform in the World Cup could have a huge bearing on what type of opportunities they get beyond that. "Our contract finishes in January and hopefully after that we get offers from clubs and get picked up," Caletti said. "The World Cup is a great opportunity for us. Everyone's watching the World Cup and it would be great for us to perform well as part of a team and help our careers. This is the biggest stage we can reach at this point." "I've got to make plans for my own future after this. It depends how I go in the World Cup and whether I can attract interest from clubs here or whether I can get some interest overseas. That could be an option as well. "It's a massive tournament for everyone in the squad, so we really want to put on a show." Asked what his best advice was for promising players in their early teens, Caletti focused on what he believed had taken him this far: "What I would say is that you've got to train hard all the time and be ready all the time, because you might only get one opportunity to impress someone," he said. "You've got to be ready to take that opportunity. You've got to put 100 per cent into training." "This World Cup is where I've got to perform. This is my time, my chance, and if I didn't train hard I wouldn't be in the position where I have this opportunity."[/size] [size=3]Date - Match - Venue - Kick-Off AEST/AEDT* 18-10-2015 - Australia v Germany - Estadio Municipal Nelson Oyarzún Arenas, Chillán - 7:00am* 21-10-2015 - Australia v Mexico - Estadio Municipal Nelson Oyarzún Arenas, Chillán - 10:00am* 24-10-2015 - Argentina v Australia - Estadio Municipal Nelson Oyarzún Arenas, Chillán - 8:00am*[/size] Mmmmmm, I watched that French game ............. Good luck to them at WC , they have got nothing to lose , if they play high and pressure the good teams they could be a chance ,must play again very high tempo for full 90 , that may be their downfall . We shall see You don't think any of the players from the under 17s could step up to the young socceroos set up? They looked quite promising from what i've seen from them. One has already stepped up Barca, Nicolas D'agostino is 17 and played in the u19 v Phillipines game and came on very late v Japan. I may be wrong and apologies if i am but i believe he wasnt included in the u17 world cup squad but Okon selected him for the u19. This is possibly an indication of the difference in quality between the 2 groups.
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Not sure tbh, u19s keepers look pretty strong,centre backs pretty decent ,left and right backs looked good v syd fc ,midfield are all on A league contracts and playing decent ,forwards likewise and also GB from syd fc to come back . it will be interesting to see what camps /tournaments are on before next October and I suppose youth football form does tend to rise and fall,hopefully they will when the time comes pick a squad on based on form and not on hype or past achievements.
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Any word of if anybody will be picking up these games in Australia?
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Jonsnow wrote:GloryPerth wrote:Quote:http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/article/2015/10/07/joeys-skipper-caletti-prepared-daunting-group-under-17-world-cup[size=7] Joeys skipper Caletti prepared for daunting group at Under-17 World Cup[/size] [size=3] Caletti captained the Joeys in recent internationals (FOOTBALL FEDERATION AUSTRALIA)[/size] [size=5]The Joeys flew out today for the FIFA Under-17 World Cup and Joe Caletti, the team's regular captain in the build-up to the tournament, said the squad couldn't be better prepared for the difficult task ahead.[/size] [size=3]By Greg Prichard 7 Oct 2015 - 1:31 PM UPDATED 10 HOURS AGO[/size] [size=4]Australia is in Group C, alongside Germany, Argentina and Mexico, for the tournament, to be played in Chile from 17 October to 8 November. "It has been a very good preparation," Caletti said. "We've done everything we can to prepare well. We've been playing in the National Youth League and the Canberra league and we went on a tour in France last month and that was really good for us. We played the USA, a top French club team and France itself and that really helped get us ready for the World Cup." Caletti said that drawing a heavyweight group was not something to fear, but to embrace: "It is a tough group, but that makes it even more exciting," he said. "I think it all depends on our first game against Germany. If we go out with a good game plan, which I know we have, we'll be confident and if we can get past Germany we'll have every chance of doing well from there." Caletti, 17, has a long history in representative football and has been developed as a number six under Joeys coach Tony Vidmar. The youngster, who is from Dural in the north-west of Sydney but has been living in Canberra as part of the FFA's Centre of Excellence squad for the last two years, said the experience had been great for him as a player and a person. "I'm very happy with my football," Caletti said. "I feel confident about my ability to take on a World Cup. Everything is at a peak at the moment. Being away from home makes you grow up quickly. You have to look after yourself and become more responsible and get into a routine. You don't have mum to hold your hand anymore and I think that's part of the program." "Regardless of what happens from here, that experience of being disciplined and aiming at achieving something is going to be great for all of the players in the squad in our lives." Caletti, whose tremendous close control and ability to run the ball through traffic are among his best assets, said he had the freedom to take the ball forward under the right circumstances: "They play me as a six, but they like me to go forward," he said. "It's OK for me to do that, but I've got to make sure there is someone covering for me. I think it's a natural part of how I play. I like to take the ball forward, but I'm always looking to find someone else to connect with along the way, if that's the best option. I'm happy to get an assist." Caletti and the other members of the squad are approaching the start of the adult stage of their careers and how well they perform in the World Cup could have a huge bearing on what type of opportunities they get beyond that. "Our contract finishes in January and hopefully after that we get offers from clubs and get picked up," Caletti said. "The World Cup is a great opportunity for us. Everyone's watching the World Cup and it would be great for us to perform well as part of a team and help our careers. This is the biggest stage we can reach at this point." "I've got to make plans for my own future after this. It depends how I go in the World Cup and whether I can attract interest from clubs here or whether I can get some interest overseas. That could be an option as well. "It's a massive tournament for everyone in the squad, so we really want to put on a show." Asked what his best advice was for promising players in their early teens, Caletti focused on what he believed had taken him this far: "What I would say is that you've got to train hard all the time and be ready all the time, because you might only get one opportunity to impress someone," he said. "You've got to be ready to take that opportunity. You've got to put 100 per cent into training." "This World Cup is where I've got to perform. This is my time, my chance, and if I didn't train hard I wouldn't be in the position where I have this opportunity."[/size] [size=3]Date - Match - Venue - Kick-Off AEST/AEDT* 18-10-2015 - Australia v Germany - Estadio Municipal Nelson Oyarzún Arenas, Chillán - 7:00am* 21-10-2015 - Australia v Mexico - Estadio Municipal Nelson Oyarzún Arenas, Chillán - 10:00am* 24-10-2015 - Argentina v Australia - Estadio Municipal Nelson Oyarzún Arenas, Chillán - 8:00am*[/size] Mmmmmm, I watched that French game ............. Good luck to them at WC , they have got nothing to lose , if they play high and pressure the good teams they could be a chance ,must play again very high tempo for full 90 , that may be their downfall . We shall see You don't think any of the players from the under 17s could step up to the young socceroos set up? They looked quite promising from what i've seen from them.
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GloryPerth wrote:Quote:http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/article/2015/10/07/joeys-skipper-caletti-prepared-daunting-group-under-17-world-cup[size=7] Joeys skipper Caletti prepared for daunting group at Under-17 World Cup[/size] [size=3] Caletti captained the Joeys in recent internationals (FOOTBALL FEDERATION AUSTRALIA)[/size] [size=5]The Joeys flew out today for the FIFA Under-17 World Cup and Joe Caletti, the team's regular captain in the build-up to the tournament, said the squad couldn't be better prepared for the difficult task ahead.[/size] [size=3]By Greg Prichard 7 Oct 2015 - 1:31 PM UPDATED 10 HOURS AGO[/size] [size=4]Australia is in Group C, alongside Germany, Argentina and Mexico, for the tournament, to be played in Chile from 17 October to 8 November. "It has been a very good preparation," Caletti said. "We've done everything we can to prepare well. We've been playing in the National Youth League and the Canberra league and we went on a tour in France last month and that was really good for us. We played the USA, a top French club team and France itself and that really helped get us ready for the World Cup." Caletti said that drawing a heavyweight group was not something to fear, but to embrace: "It is a tough group, but that makes it even more exciting," he said. "I think it all depends on our first game against Germany. If we go out with a good game plan, which I know we have, we'll be confident and if we can get past Germany we'll have every chance of doing well from there." Caletti, 17, has a long history in representative football and has been developed as a number six under Joeys coach Tony Vidmar. The youngster, who is from Dural in the north-west of Sydney but has been living in Canberra as part of the FFA's Centre of Excellence squad for the last two years, said the experience had been great for him as a player and a person. "I'm very happy with my football," Caletti said. "I feel confident about my ability to take on a World Cup. Everything is at a peak at the moment. Being away from home makes you grow up quickly. You have to look after yourself and become more responsible and get into a routine. You don't have mum to hold your hand anymore and I think that's part of the program." "Regardless of what happens from here, that experience of being disciplined and aiming at achieving something is going to be great for all of the players in the squad in our lives." Caletti, whose tremendous close control and ability to run the ball through traffic are among his best assets, said he had the freedom to take the ball forward under the right circumstances: "They play me as a six, but they like me to go forward," he said. "It's OK for me to do that, but I've got to make sure there is someone covering for me. I think it's a natural part of how I play. I like to take the ball forward, but I'm always looking to find someone else to connect with along the way, if that's the best option. I'm happy to get an assist." Caletti and the other members of the squad are approaching the start of the adult stage of their careers and how well they perform in the World Cup could have a huge bearing on what type of opportunities they get beyond that. "Our contract finishes in January and hopefully after that we get offers from clubs and get picked up," Caletti said. "The World Cup is a great opportunity for us. Everyone's watching the World Cup and it would be great for us to perform well as part of a team and help our careers. This is the biggest stage we can reach at this point." "I've got to make plans for my own future after this. It depends how I go in the World Cup and whether I can attract interest from clubs here or whether I can get some interest overseas. That could be an option as well. "It's a massive tournament for everyone in the squad, so we really want to put on a show." Asked what his best advice was for promising players in their early teens, Caletti focused on what he believed had taken him this far: "What I would say is that you've got to train hard all the time and be ready all the time, because you might only get one opportunity to impress someone," he said. "You've got to be ready to take that opportunity. You've got to put 100 per cent into training." "This World Cup is where I've got to perform. This is my time, my chance, and if I didn't train hard I wouldn't be in the position where I have this opportunity."[/size] [size=3]Date - Match - Venue - Kick-Off AEST/AEDT* 18-10-2015 - Australia v Germany - Estadio Municipal Nelson Oyarzún Arenas, Chillán - 7:00am* 21-10-2015 - Australia v Mexico - Estadio Municipal Nelson Oyarzún Arenas, Chillán - 10:00am* 24-10-2015 - Argentina v Australia - Estadio Municipal Nelson Oyarzún Arenas, Chillán - 8:00am*[/size] Mmmmmm, I watched that French game ............. Good luck to them at WC , they have got nothing to lose , if they play high and pressure the good teams they could be a chance ,must play again very high tempo for full 90 , that may be their downfall . We shall see
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Quote:http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/article/2015/10/07/joeys-skipper-caletti-prepared-daunting-group-under-17-world-cup[size=7] Joeys skipper Caletti prepared for daunting group at Under-17 World Cup[/size] [size=3] Caletti captained the Joeys in recent internationals (FOOTBALL FEDERATION AUSTRALIA)[/size] [size=5]The Joeys flew out today for the FIFA Under-17 World Cup and Joe Caletti, the team's regular captain in the build-up to the tournament, said the squad couldn't be better prepared for the difficult task ahead.[/size] [size=3]By Greg Prichard 7 Oct 2015 - 1:31 PM UPDATED 10 HOURS AGO[/size] [size=4]Australia is in Group C, alongside Germany, Argentina and Mexico, for the tournament, to be played in Chile from 17 October to 8 November. "It has been a very good preparation," Caletti said. "We've done everything we can to prepare well. We've been playing in the National Youth League and the Canberra league and we went on a tour in France last month and that was really good for us. We played the USA, a top French club team and France itself and that really helped get us ready for the World Cup." Caletti said that drawing a heavyweight group was not something to fear, but to embrace: "It is a tough group, but that makes it even more exciting," he said. "I think it all depends on our first game against Germany. If we go out with a good game plan, which I know we have, we'll be confident and if we can get past Germany we'll have every chance of doing well from there." Caletti, 17, has a long history in representative football and has been developed as a number six under Joeys coach Tony Vidmar. The youngster, who is from Dural in the north-west of Sydney but has been living in Canberra as part of the FFA's Centre of Excellence squad for the last two years, said the experience had been great for him as a player and a person. "I'm very happy with my football," Caletti said. "I feel confident about my ability to take on a World Cup. Everything is at a peak at the moment. Being away from home makes you grow up quickly. You have to look after yourself and become more responsible and get into a routine. You don't have mum to hold your hand anymore and I think that's part of the program." "Regardless of what happens from here, that experience of being disciplined and aiming at achieving something is going to be great for all of the players in the squad in our lives." Caletti, whose tremendous close control and ability to run the ball through traffic are among his best assets, said he had the freedom to take the ball forward under the right circumstances: "They play me as a six, but they like me to go forward," he said. "It's OK for me to do that, but I've got to make sure there is someone covering for me. I think it's a natural part of how I play. I like to take the ball forward, but I'm always looking to find someone else to connect with along the way, if that's the best option. I'm happy to get an assist." Caletti and the other members of the squad are approaching the start of the adult stage of their careers and how well they perform in the World Cup could have a huge bearing on what type of opportunities they get beyond that. "Our contract finishes in January and hopefully after that we get offers from clubs and get picked up," Caletti said. "The World Cup is a great opportunity for us. Everyone's watching the World Cup and it would be great for us to perform well as part of a team and help our careers. This is the biggest stage we can reach at this point." "I've got to make plans for my own future after this. It depends how I go in the World Cup and whether I can attract interest from clubs here or whether I can get some interest overseas. That could be an option as well. "It's a massive tournament for everyone in the squad, so we really want to put on a show." Asked what his best advice was for promising players in their early teens, Caletti focused on what he believed had taken him this far: "What I would say is that you've got to train hard all the time and be ready all the time, because you might only get one opportunity to impress someone," he said. "You've got to be ready to take that opportunity. You've got to put 100 per cent into training." "This World Cup is where I've got to perform. This is my time, my chance, and if I didn't train hard I wouldn't be in the position where I have this opportunity."[/size] [size=3]Date - Match - Venue - Kick-Off AEST/AEDT* 18-10-2015 - Australia v Germany - Estadio Municipal Nelson Oyarzún Arenas, Chillán - 7:00am* 21-10-2015 - Australia v Mexico - Estadio Municipal Nelson Oyarzún Arenas, Chillán - 10:00am* 24-10-2015 - Argentina v Australia - Estadio Municipal Nelson Oyarzún Arenas, Chillán - 8:00am*[/size]
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Perhaps Jonsnow, but given the time-frame - the whole of this coming season and pre-season/entering into the 2016/17 season - there is time for potential challengers and bolters to break into this squad, I think there's still a good chance for some change atleast, beyond the expected.
It's all still an unknown, variable and speculative at this stage ofcourse. Many of us watch with keen interest as to how the Joeys go at this month's U17 WC - it will be broadcast live on SBS aswell, so no relying on dodgy streams! \:d/
The thing is too, with this class of Joeys, they seem to be highly regarded and they qualified for their respective WC, where the 1995/6 Young Socceroos failed to. They not only qualified, but qualified in style too. Their Group of Death could bring us back down to Earth, but their talent may remain unquestioned and who knows how many 'do a DDS/ Gersbach' and break into the A-League in the coming period? If any of them do, then more than just this Young Socceroos generation will come calling, that's for sure.
Also, it's actually quite early in this 1997/8-born (2017) U19/20 cycle - so again, plenty of room for variability in selection, dependent on form and developmental progress!
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GloryPerth wrote:nickk wrote:paladisious wrote:nickk wrote:I will bet a million dollars that Okon did not do a proper full rotation. Any coach in any sport could have done a better job than Okon.
The sad part is he will keep the job after they qualify in second. v Phillipines: 1 GK TOM GLOVER 2 DF THOMAS DENG 5 DF DANIEL ALESSI 6 MF LIAM ROSE off@70' 11 FW NICHOLAS D'AGOSTINO off@78' 14 DF ALEXANDER JOSEPH GERSBACH (C) off@65' 16 MF GEORGE MELLS 19 MF LIAM YOULLEY 21 FW ALUSINE FOFANAH 32 FW WILLIAM MUTCH 46 FW STEVE KUZMANOVSKI Subs: 3 DF CONNOR O'TOOLE on@65' 4 MF MARIO SHABOW on@70' 10 FW DEJAN PANDUREVIC on@78' v Laos: 3 DF CONNOR O'TOOLE 4 MF MARIO SHABOW off@83' 5 DF DANIEL ALESSI (C) 8 MF BRANDON WILSON off@62' 10 FW DEJAN PANDUREVIC 12 GK JORDAN HOLMES 16 MF GEORGE MELLS 23 DF GEORGE CHRISTOS TIMOTHEOU 24 MF CAMERON DEVLIN 32 FW WILLIAM MUTCH 46 FW STEVE KUZMANOVSKI off@75' Subs: 7 FW LACHLAN ROBERTS on@75' 19 MF LIAM YOULLEY on@62' 21 FW ALUSINE FOFANAH on@83' v Japan: 1 GK TOM GLOVER 2 DF THOMAS DENG 4 MF MARIO SHABOW 5 DF DANIEL ALESSI 6 MF LIAM ROSE 7 FW LACHLAN ROBERTS 10 FW DEJAN PANDUREVIC off@90' 14 DF ALEXANDER JOSEPH GERSBACH (C) 16 MF GEORGE MELLS 21 FW ALUSINE FOFANAH 46 FW STEVE KUZMANOVSKI Subs: 11 FW NICHOLAS D'AGOSTINO on@90' There you have the explanation there by Okon standards it wasn't him going full retard, but he did have 3 players playing 3 games in a row, and a further 2 playing 2 matches in a row. The number one problem with our youth football is the stubborn obstinate idiocy with playing the same players with games 2 day part. I have to agree Nickk and that's surely reflected in the costly errors of game three - two goals conceded in First-Half Stoppage time isn't normal, even by youth standards. Tiredness and tournament fatigue are usually at play and we saw that with the Joeys I think, recently too - by time of the third or fourth match within the week, performance levels are ofcourse down and it's as much about managing the players, their fitness and fatigue and preventing injury. Anyway of the squad that Paladisious has listed there, we see some A-League talents already - The Kuzmanovski's, Gersbach's, Alessi's, Fofanah's, Youlley's, Liam Rose's and hopefully the likes of Mells, Shabow and a number of these others join them this season. There are other 1997-born talents pushing through too, like George Blackwood with SFC, Anthony Kalik at Mariners. There's also all those maturing 1998/9 gen Joeys talent that will feature at this month's U17 World Cup. We already see Nicholas D'Agostino (1998-born, Roar NYL team, Striker), who failed to make that squad, feature in this one. Surely the likes of Daniel Arzani, Jake Brimmer, Cameron Joice, Pana Armenakas and others will be pushing some of the current bunch for a spot in that 2016 U19 Champs squad - strengthening the depth of that talent pool and competition for places ever more. We've already seen Arzani called up with Young Socceroos squads, so we'll definitely see some of them pushing through - especially if they surpass expectations at the U17 WC! So between now (15/16 season) and October 2016 (Entering the 16/17 season) - plenty of time for some the talent pool just below the above bunch, to push through! Edited by GloryPerth: 7/10/2015 09:11:12 PM I'll be honest here , I don't think there are many from current Joeys squad that can put pressure on the u19s squad that have just played , maybe the joeys striker is a chance but the midfield ? No , the defenders ? No Possible right back , possible left sided attacker?keepers are all class . Just my pinion :)
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nickk wrote:paladisious wrote:nickk wrote:I will bet a million dollars that Okon did not do a proper full rotation. Any coach in any sport could have done a better job than Okon.
The sad part is he will keep the job after they qualify in second. v Phillipines: 1 GK TOM GLOVER 2 DF THOMAS DENG 5 DF DANIEL ALESSI 6 MF LIAM ROSE off@70' 11 FW NICHOLAS D'AGOSTINO off@78' 14 DF ALEXANDER JOSEPH GERSBACH (C) off@65' 16 MF GEORGE MELLS 19 MF LIAM YOULLEY 21 FW ALUSINE FOFANAH 32 FW WILLIAM MUTCH 46 FW STEVE KUZMANOVSKI Subs: 3 DF CONNOR O'TOOLE on@65' 4 MF MARIO SHABOW on@70' 10 FW DEJAN PANDUREVIC on@78' v Laos: 3 DF CONNOR O'TOOLE 4 MF MARIO SHABOW off@83' 5 DF DANIEL ALESSI (C) 8 MF BRANDON WILSON off@62' 10 FW DEJAN PANDUREVIC 12 GK JORDAN HOLMES 16 MF GEORGE MELLS 23 DF GEORGE CHRISTOS TIMOTHEOU 24 MF CAMERON DEVLIN 32 FW WILLIAM MUTCH 46 FW STEVE KUZMANOVSKI off@75' Subs: 7 FW LACHLAN ROBERTS on@75' 19 MF LIAM YOULLEY on@62' 21 FW ALUSINE FOFANAH on@83' v Japan: 1 GK TOM GLOVER 2 DF THOMAS DENG 4 MF MARIO SHABOW 5 DF DANIEL ALESSI 6 MF LIAM ROSE 7 FW LACHLAN ROBERTS 10 FW DEJAN PANDUREVIC off@90' 14 DF ALEXANDER JOSEPH GERSBACH (C) 16 MF GEORGE MELLS 21 FW ALUSINE FOFANAH 46 FW STEVE KUZMANOVSKI Subs: 11 FW NICHOLAS D'AGOSTINO on@90' There you have the explanation there by Okon standards it wasn't him going full retard, but he did have 3 players playing 3 games in a row, and a further 2 playing 2 matches in a row. The number one problem with our youth football is the stubborn obstinate idiocy with playing the same players with games 2 day part. I have to agree Nickk and that's surely reflected in the costly errors of game three - two goals conceded in First-Half Stoppage time isn't normal, even by youth standards. Tiredness and tournament fatigue are usually at play and we saw that with the Joeys I think, recently too - by time of the third or fourth match within the week, performance levels are ofcourse down and it's as much about managing the players, their fitness and fatigue and preventing injury. Anyway of the squad that Paladisious has listed there, we see some A-League talents already - The Kuzmanovski's, Gersbach's, Alessi's, Fofanah's, Youlley's, Liam Rose's and hopefully the likes of Mells, Shabow and a number of these others join them this season. There are other 1997-born talents pushing through too, like George Blackwood with SFC, Anthony Kalik at Mariners. There's also all those maturing 1998/9 gen Joeys talent that will feature at this month's U17 World Cup. We already see Nicholas D'Agostino (1998-born, Roar NYL team, Striker), who failed to make that squad, feature in this one. Surely the likes of Daniel Arzani, Jake Brimmer, Cameron Joice, Pana Armenakas and others will be pushing some of the current bunch for a spot in that 2016 U19 Champs squad - strengthening the depth of that talent pool and competition for places ever more. We've already seen Arzani called up with Young Socceroos squads, so we'll definitely see some of them pushing through - especially if they surpass expectations at the U17 WC! So between now (15/16 season) and October 2016 (Entering the 16/17 season) - plenty of time for some the talent pool just below the above bunch, to push through! Edited by GloryPerth: 7/10/2015 09:11:12 PM
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grazorblade wrote:nickk wrote:Japan played their first team in the first match, in the second match they did a complete rotation with a totally new starting line up,
third match they went back to the team from the first match.
How can you lose 3-0 to a team which only beat Laos 2-0 , its simple hire the idiots called Okon. Okon coached teams have noticeably been below par compared to other youth teams this is accentuated by the fact that some of the players he has coached have looked good in the a league. If it was just the results well you could just say "performance over results" however whenever I see his teams play we don't seem to be able to recycle possession, play with rhythm changes and the ball carrier is often struggling to find options even if he has time or space. He also plays with 2 Defensive mids against teams parking the bus and playing on the counter. I rarely see him rotate the midfield triangle I have to agree, from what little I've seen of the teams via streams and from reports, Okon's teams have displayed this common tendency and going back, Okon was appointed circa 2012 when the aged NTs were during the era of Holger as Socceroos coach and Han Berger was the FFA's TD. Okon came in as the FFA 're-structured' the role that Versleijen had held, splitting it from then being a coach overseeing both the U20s and U17s, back to two separate roles. Okon became the coach of the U20s and Tony Vidmar the U17s ofcourse. It's been that way since. Though since then we've had a new TD come in late last year, with Belgian Eric Abrams. We've had a new technical role created to oversee these teams, 'Head of Performance' with Luke Casserly appointed to the role, also late last year. David Gallop also came in as the FFA's new CEO, late 2012. So while Okon in his position as Young Socceroos coach hasn't changed during this period, the landscape surrounding him certainly has and with the improving prospects and talent pool of the Joeys, under Tony Vidmar and generally improved levels and talent coming through, expectations are arguably higher than they've ever been. But there is a performance lag around the U20s teams during this period and that surely has to be addressed soon. Edited by GloryPerth: 7/10/2015 08:48:46 PM
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libel wrote:Robbo wrote:We are watching and playing a style that's outdated and nobody at the FFA is doing a thing about it. The educators haven't evolved nor has our teaching philosophy, whereas other counties have..... Why? Probably because they've always been ahead of us, so their ability to change/evolve is going to be easier/quicker, especially at this point in time. We've only really just started (and from a really low base at that). I remember one time Han Berger said about the level of coaching 5 years ago was very low and no team played the modern way unlike in Europe which is the standard and which is why they are always evolving from us but then again given our very poor coaching standards in past before the NC era, Decentric would know this well :D I guess a bit of perspective is needed here given we have come from a low base, so it always be a struggle to keep up with the recent trends, our geo. disadvantage and the lack of football discussed in the media does not help either. They have the advantage of watching and viewing matches in detail so given the competitiveness and true knowledge of their football is a lot more stronger than us.
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chicko1983 wrote:We lost which is disappointing, however, it looks like we have qualified as one of the five best placed runners up. The Qualified teams are: Bahrain - Hosts 8th Runners-up (1986) Japan - Group J winners 18th Runners-up (1973, 1994, 1998, 2000, 2002, 2006) Iraq - Group F winners 17th Champions (1975, 1977, 1978, 1988, 2000) China PR - Group I winners 16th Champions (1985) Vietnam - Group G winners 7th Third place (1964) Uzbekistan - Group A winners 7th Runners-up (2008) South Korea - Group H winners 37th Champions (1959, 1960, 1963, 1978, 1980, 1982, 1990, 1996, 1998, 2002, 2004, 2012) Tajikistan - Group F (1st best) runners-up 3rd Group stage (2006, 2008) United Arab Emirates - Group C winners 13th Champions (2008) Australia - Group J (2nd best) runners-up 6th Runners-up (2010) Qatar - Group D winners 13th Champions (2014) Thailand - Group H (3rd best) runners-up 27th Champions (1962, 1969) Saudi Arabia - Group B winners 12th Champions (1986, 1992) North Korea - Group I (4th best) runners-up 12th Champions (1976, 2006, 2010) Iran - Group E winners 18th Champions (1973, 1974, 1975, 1976) Yemen - Group B (5th best) runners-up https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_AFC_U-19_Championship Thanks for that chicko, that's a relief I guess - hopefully the team and set up can step up come the qualifying tournament proper. There will be no room for errors and no second chances - no easy beats and higher stakes. In the recent past, many of the aged NT teams who have successfully qualified, have only JUST done so, by scraping through into the Semi-Finals of their cycle's AFC U16s or AFC U19s Championships. That included some good, competitive teams with some decent talents - some who've pushed through to the senior teams. Once again, we need to see more of these boys pushing through to A-League level or senior level elsewhere, this coming season. That would help this team's prospects tremendously, come the 2016 AFC U19 Champs.
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Robbo wrote:We are watching and playing a style that's outdated and nobody at the FFA is doing a thing about it. The educators haven't evolved nor has our teaching philosophy, whereas other counties have..... Why? Probably because they've always been ahead of us, so their ability to change/evolve is going to be easier/quicker, especially at this point in time. We've only really just started (and from a really low base at that).
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The argument is not about results of oz youth teams, it's about our style we play and player monitoring processes. It's obvious we play a possession based style that was used regularly by world wide youth teams approximately 4-5 years ago. Their styles have now progressed to incorporate possession with purposeful outcomes. Example- create overloads in left side in order to switch quickly to right side and create penetrating opportunities to score. We on the other hand create overloads and they play back first before switching...... Normally to late because the opposition has adjusted . We are watching and playing a style that's outdated and nobody at the FFA is doing a thing about it. The educators haven't evolved nor has our teaching philosophy, whereas other counties have..... Why?. Edited by robbo: 7/10/2015 06:40:51 PM
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Barca4Life wrote:We qualified but it doesn't hide the fact that there is deep flaws with the youth teams and with our youth system which needs some evaluating. I might add that while i was doing some historical research on U17 and U20 for Australia I checked out the stats for both France and Belgium. Neither are historically very impressive really which might tell you that at this age, results at these tournaments are not a guide to the way they will perform once they develop as full adult players. I'm much more interested in the technical level of play. How we control the ball and read the play as well as movement off the ball. These are vital skills that you can't learn easily at this age if you haven't been taught how to play as a child. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belgium_national_under-17_football_team https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belgium_national_under-21_football_teamhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France_national_under-17_football_teamhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France_national_under-20_football_team
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Barca4Life wrote:Same old story all the time with our youth teams, why bother showing any interest....:roll:
We aren't good enough and we will never improve until the FFA show some initiative and try to make big changes at youth development and with our youth teams.
At the moment it's safe to say nothing is going to happen in fact we are probably going backwards.
Edited by Barca4life: 6/10/2015 09:50:54 PM These were the U19 though. When sweeping changes were made in 06 re intro of small sided games, these players were already 8-9 years old and were thus 3 years late. The age group that I pay most attention towards is the U17 which has its world cup later this month. 3 huge games against Mexico, Germany and Argentina. Will be hard to get out of the group stage but if we do the signs will be much more encouraging. The loss against France and Thailand recently is a bit concerning though. Looking forward to seeing the U15 too. Does anyone have any info regarding them (Decentric?) These new age groups have gone through the curriculum from the start. If we don't produce talent with these new teams as they come through then it will be very concerning indeed and a full review will be in order. Can someone please explain why though we have the 2 Vidmars and Okon at the helms of youth squads? Surely we should be trying to snatch/invest in the very best coaching talent from overseas and then use those coaches to mentor aussie coaches. A bit like Gus Hiddink did with Arnie. I don't think we can underestimate the value in investing in coaching. None of these 3 coaches have been able to prove themselves by teaching at the best clubs from around the world so why are we relying on them?? Edited by Davo1985: 7/10/2015 03:22:39 PM
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