May I just say, there is no justification for racism, if one's heart draws them to be this way, it's most concerning. Also, if captain Cook didn't stop at Australia with the Endeavour, do people think Australia would of remained Aboriginal???
I would bet on Indonesia, Japan or taken over by China cause of their over-population. Facts!

Edited by soccerfoo: 30/7/2015 10:01:25 PM

Thats an irrelevant discussion tbh. Speaking in hypothetical scenarios doesnt change anything.

God there some ignorant people in here. It really is sad.

Sorry this belongs in Extra Time, link to Australia Football is tenuous at best.

more Foster zealotry, does nothing but hurt the code.

Edited by four42: 30/7/2015 11:07:27 PM

Goodes should apologise and get over it: Bolt

DateJuly 30, 2015 - 10:26PM
Chloe Booker

Andrew Bolt says it's up to Adam Goodes to apologise for standing up to a 13-year-old girl who racially vilified him to end the booing controversy.

The News Corp blogger, who has been convicted of racial vilification, told ABC's 7.30 the Sydney Swans player would be "embraced" if he admitted he was "wrong".

He also called Goodes a "victim" and his war dance "dangerous and stupid" and racially divisive.

"How it would best be stopped, but it won't be, is for Adam Goodes to say, 'yes, I did overreact'," he said from Melbourne on Thursday.

"Singling out a girl for public humiliation, like that, I thought was wrong and if Adam Goodes said it was wrong, I think he'd be a superstar; all people from either sides would rush to embrace him."

Bolt called the booing directed at Goodes "bullying" but denied it was because of his race.

Instead, he said, it stemmed from an "overreaction" by Goodes, and what he called the "racism industry", to the teenager for calling the dual Brownlow medalist an "ape".

ABC sports broadcaster Charlie King, who was also invited on the program, said it was "extraordinary" to suggest it was up to Goodes to stop the racial vilification directed at him.

"It's not Adam Goodes' responsibility to fix this matter up," he said.

"This is a dangerous time for Australia and if we don't deal with this matter… I'm afraid how Aboriginal people will react to this if the requirement is always for the person who is racially vilified to be asked to apologise for it."

Speaking from Darwin, Mr King called on non-Indigenous players to repeat the war dance Goodes performed during a game against Carlton in May to end the controversy.

"If you want to take the fire out of it, that's what you do," he said.

Mr King said the booing was hurting, not just Goodes, but all Aboriginals in Australia, including himself.

He asked Bolt and all Australians to put themselves in Goodes' shoes.

"You're the one white person in an Aboriginal side and has all Aboriginal spectators sitting in the crowd, mostly; all the commenters are Aboriginal, all the newspaper writers are Aboriginal people," he said.

"You're trying to do your best you can for your people, you want to show them that you can compete when you're in the minority and you celebrate with a little bit of a dance and they turn on you and start calling you names like monkey and King Kong. How would you feel about that Andrew?"

Bolt then compared online trolling he had received to the racial vilification Goodes has described as experiencing.

"You've got to get over some of this stuff," he said.

Some viewers of the program took to Twitter afterwards to question why Bolt was invited to share his views on the issue when he had been convicted of racial vilification.


Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/tv-and-radio/goodes-should-apologise-and-get-over-it-bolt-20150730-gioa1o.html#ixzz3hNesbwux

Sydney fans vow to pelt supporters booing Adam Goodes with eggs

Peter Rolfe
Herald Sun
July 30, 2015 10:34PM

SYDNEY supporters have vowed to take justice into their own hands if opposition fans boo Brownlow medallist Adam Goodes again.

Swans fans say they will sneak eggs into the next game Goodes plays and pelt any opposition supporter who dares boo the dual medallist.

Swans fan Stephen Johnson said cheer squad members from the team’s old South Melbourne stomping ground and Sydney had to decided to act after becoming fed up with opposition supporters.

“We’re going to load up with eggs and anyone that boos him is going to cop it,’’ he said.

“It might sound funny and we might end up with egg on our faces if we get kicked out by security but we want to make the booing stop.’’

He said Melbourne-based cheer squad members travelling to Sydney for the match against Adelaide would also hoist flags saying, “If you boo you’re racist’’.

The fans’ frustration comes as Swans legend Bob Skilton told the Herald Sun he hoped the controversy didn’t bring Goodes’ glittering career to a premature end.

“I just think it’s disappointing that we’re playing a team sport and for some reason they’ve picked out one bloke,’’ Skilton said.

“I personally hope Adam hasn’t played his last game and hangs in there and shows everybody,” he said, adding it was unfair Goodes was a target.

National Centre Against Bullying chair Alastair Nicholson said the cultural impact of the “cowardly behaviour’’ multiplied tenfold in the professional sporting arena and set an appalling example to children.

“Clearly the boos are having a serious impact on Adam’s wellbeing,’’ he said.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/sydney-fans-vow-to-pelt-supporters-booing-adam-goodes-with-eggs/story-fni0fit3-1227463995262

Geez this is getting depressing. The whole treatment of this issue by parts of mass media and social media is farcical. OF COURSE Adam Goodes has been, on several occasions, the victim of racial abuse. And, yes, he has EVERY RIGHT to call people out for that (which, for the record, he has always done in a way which could only be called civilised, proper and appropriate). And yes, at this point it is almost undeniable that the booing is, at least to a significant extent, racially motivated. The fact that these arguments are being had is in itself a pretty damning fact for Australia as a nation right now.

I'm genuinely stunned by the number of people calling him out for being "a sook", "playing the victim" etc. Can these people not see that the man is clearly the victim of racist abuse? Ok, I believe that some people are booing because of their thoughts on Adam as a player, but it has to be recognised that some (most? I'm not sure but definitely a significant proportion) are booing because of his race. And for that reason, the booing all needs to stop. Nobody should have to put up with racial abuse and sportspeople are no different (why would they be?).

It is really saddening to see a man who has done nothing but stand up for his culture be subjected to the levels of abuse and derision he has been in the past week from bogans, racists and idiots.

Edited by some guy: 30/7/2015 11:39:18 PM

Is everybody booing Adam Goodes really racist? No doubt there is an element of racism involved from some people, but really everybody who boos him is racist? And if the answer to that question is yes, then we're does that leave us collectively as Australians?

And why has Adam Goodes brought out this sudden bout of public racism and not Nicky Winmar or Michael Long who both stood their ground against racism?

The only AFL players I can remember evoking this level of condemnation were Jason Akermanis, Wayne Carey and Leigh Matthews( I'm a Geelong supporter).

Even the like of Capper, Locket, Libertore, Rys -Jones and Dermie didn't get this much crowd hostility...

Edited by Joffa: 31/7/2015 12:12:09 AM

People feel threatened when being confronted with their racism. Adam Goodes exposed the obvious and people didn't like it. Cue reaction.

this has exposed in Australia what the #blacklivesmatter stuff exposed in America. A lot of the white conservative crowd believe the "whole race issue" was sorted out and that there are no more issues. Australia hadn't had a truly high profile racial question for a while. The Bolt case was a little too technical for the masses to get behind.

This issue however, has really resonated. Certain people can't seem to grasp the position that any racial comment at all is wrong. You might think it's ok to make jokes about race because that whole racism thing is done. I'm sorry to tell you this but it'll be several more generations before race stops being an issue in the western world. The reason being is that it takes several generations for families to lift themselves out of disadvantage. Some people on here have posted that aboriginals get better government support and education and healthcare. That's all well and good but education and life itself begins at home. Home provides us with so much guidance on how to live our lives. It takes a remarkable individual to reject what he/she learns at home and turn towards influences outside of the home.

I would argue that African American issues in the USA are completely different to indigenous issues in Australia.

Your first paragraph is too general. When you make such generalisations are you much better than other people who judge?

You've highlighted a great problem. When people make arguments on this issue they claim white priveledge. What the fuck is white priveledge? My pigment makes me a royal or something? Argue the point without looking like a hypocrite.

I kind of agree with this. Goodes' aim hasn't been to make white people feel bad. It's about making indigenous people feel proud of their culture. It turns out plenty of white Australians can't accept that though and see it as some sort of attack on Anglos.

I'm gonna come and conquer your land.

Andrew Bolt is an oxygen thief.

But why can an Aboriginal person be proud of their culture, when Anglos can't because that would be racist!?

In all serious though it is getting beyond ridiculous. Good on Adam, then again I live next door to his Mum so I would say that ay.

Probably not an appropriate place to perform a haka. A powhiri (welcoming ceremony with speeches, singing, etc) is more likely to happen, but not in all work places and only on certain occasions.

Good luck m80

So perhaps the government should step in and remove any aboriginal children from negative environments, to give them a better chance at life like standard practice for non-aboriginal children. Oh wait, they did that before and were named as racists for the next 50 years and forced to give some gimmick apology. Shame all the white children taken over the years can't play the race card.

No luck needed. I have already conquered your land.

I was wondering how long it'd take before this issue was deflected away from Aussie Rules towards being a general Australian issue.

It's only one sport in the country that has had continual racism issues.

If the constant booing, calling him an ape and telling him to go back to the zoo shit was happening in the A-League there's no way it'd be deflected like this, the blame would be put purely on 'soccer hooligans'.

Uhhhmmm okay?

Rubbish. What about the federal governments plan to shut down remote indigenous communities?

It isn't the federal government's plan. The Abbott Govt has unilaterally decided to cease providing funding tot he states for municipal and essential service in remote communities. In response the Premier of WA said that some communities would have to close. He said this because he is essentially an arrogant prick.

What he should have said is that this reinforces the necessity of examining the ongoing sustainability of these remote communities and what can be done to look after the people who are living in communities which are unsustainable. This is the process that has now commenced.

Yes, you are right. It was Goodes and not the person screaming racial abuse who was out of line.

I love that it's become the main argument. He gets racially abused but is in the wrong. Alan Jones even blamed Goodes for how security and stadium officials handled the situation. Even taking into account Goodes was kind of busy on the field, playing the game at the time:lol:

It's not racist! We just hate him for when he complained about racial abuse! And the time he gave that speech about indigenous issues, we really hated that! Anyway Kouta and Liberatore were racially abused and never complained so why should Goodes? The big sook should take some cement and harden up or just fuck off and retire.

Hard to believe it in 2015

You're right, the indigenous community is wrong. Thankfully white Australians are out there to let them know when they are and aren't allowed to feel vilified.

Before the character assassinations begin let me state a few caveats:

I am no AFL fan.
I have not been following this closely (though how could you not hear about it).
I am not saying this is exactly the reason why people are booing but a part explanation.

Back before most of the posters here were born there was a charming cricketer named Richard Hadlee who was tearing the Australians a new arsehole in just about every game he played in the late 80's.

Spontaneously the chant "Hadlee's a wanker" sprang up at the MCG.

Hadlee called out the Australian crowd and the rest is history. Every where that Hadlee went the chant followed him. Newspaper articles by the dozen were written, TV interviews conducted, there was a great wailing and gnashing of teeth, A Current Affair and whatever the Channel 7 equivalent was ran stories about it and the cricket commentators even chimed in to say enough is enough. All it did was embolden the crowd to become louder and more vociferous ever time Hadlee played.

None of the appeals helped one iota.

If nothing else it made it worse.

What's this got to do with that?

Whilst I think there's no doubt a racist element who are unhappy about an aboriginal Australian pointing out some uncomfortable truths I believe there's a shitload of people who are booing him simply because they're giving the great Australian "Fuck You" to the people who are saying "stop booing".

Let's face it, most of us don't like being told what to do. In this case it happens to be an AFL crowd.

"Who the fuck are you to tell me what to do? BOOOOOOO!!!!"

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A great article describing the above and the shenanigans that used to go on at the cricket.

http://www.spectator.co.uk/australia/6576718/remember-the-good-times/

You young blokes don't realise how much fun it used to be back in the day and what you're missing out on.




Edited by munrubenmuz: 31/7/2015 03:27:21 PM

As someone who doesn't follow AFL at all, and have only heard about this via the news etc, could some please explain to me how is "booing" a player racist? Or is it more than just "booing"? Is there racial taunts etc also being directed at Goodes also (if yes, like what?).