Fluoride Officially Classified as a Neurotoxin in World’s Most Prestigious Medical Journal


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Lol, the Lancet lost all prestige when it claimed that the U.S. invasion of Iraq left over a million dead based on a survey done by stringers. Rwanda had a million dead, the difference in the scale of death was visible to anyone but the Lancet chose to publish a lie for a political agenda. It is garbage.
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Unshackled wrote:
BETHFC wrote:
AzzaMarch wrote:
batfink wrote:
RedKat wrote:
batfink wrote:
sorry it's the truth, is that not statistically science??

and what did the aboriginals of each nation do before fluoride and chlorine??



Its not valid as evidence against fluorine in any quantity. Sample size of one has no valid basis as proof all it shows is a weak correlation. Youve got no variables controlled so how can you prove its the lack of fluorine? What about your families genetics, diet, environmental factors? Saying we have no fluorine, our teeth are good therefore the evidence in favour for fluorine is wrong is horribly flawed logic. A sample size of one, or even one paper has no "statistically science" proof because it doesnt prove anything.

And even so your anectodal evidence doesnt address fluorine as opposed to raised fluorine.

And where would your proof be that a lack of fluorine in aboriginal communities leads to better dental health?

Edited by RedKat: 12/11/2015 05:54:03 PM


as opposed to survey companies who are engaged by companies who have something to gain specifically targetting the correct demographic to achieve the desired result.....that's good science right?


as far as variable go, what about the variables in the people who are being forced feed this shit.......do you even know how the fluoride was introduced and where it came from?????? i seriously doubt it


Ahhh yes, when all else fails blame the corporations!

So easy to just dismiss the weight of scientific evidence without providing any ACTUAL EVIDENCE of SPECIFIC INSTANCES of "corporate dodginess" affecting health studies. The mere involvement of 'big pharma' is enough to just wave away the mountains of evidence.

I have no problem with questioning the motives of any profit-seeking company, however there needs to be actual evidence before you can dismiss the evidence.

Go on - are you going to argue vaccines cause autism? I'm waiting for it!


This sort of thing (blaming corporations because they're big and profitable) is terribly damaging to the world. People wilfully ignore some of the great things these corporations do simply because they 'don't trust' a company that rakes it in.

What is completely retarded is that the only way new drugs are made is from these profits.

I do not understand some people and their ignorant paranoia.



Ok experts, explain to us "fools" the benefits versus the risk (that science has proven) involved with adding an industrial by-product to perfectly good drinking water. What if the worst should happen and dangerous levels were to go through unchecked? Is it a necessary risk for the so called benefits?

Please no strawmen about anti vaccers etc or corporations needing profits fluoridating our water to make new drugs.


The real question is how do you blame this on the Jews?
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RedKat wrote:
If youre going to make such claims back it up with evidence and show me where studies have been funded by those that supposedly gain out of it.


To be fair, I know that Coca Cola has funded studies to show that sugary drinks have nothing to do with weight gain or obesity (I'm pretty sure that's right, I can't remember it off the top of my head), and I wouldn't be surprised if back in the day cigarette companies did the same thing to show that they don't cause lung cancer.
However, people do take these studies with more than a grain of salt, because that is bad science. The bias is there from the beginning and so will influence the outcome and can skew the results. And funnily enough, batfink has fallen for that bias in the fluoride issue. The article in the OP was pushing an agenda and framed the actual results in a misleading way. The Lancet took their data from a meta-analysis (though I still can't figure out where they got the 7 point IQ drop that they quoted...??), and the meta-analysis was a summary of several studies done, most of them coming from China.
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Unshackled wrote:
BETHFC wrote:
AzzaMarch wrote:
batfink wrote:
RedKat wrote:
batfink wrote:
sorry it's the truth, is that not statistically science??

and what did the aboriginals of each nation do before fluoride and chlorine??



Its not valid as evidence against fluorine in any quantity. Sample size of one has no valid basis as proof all it shows is a weak correlation. Youve got no variables controlled so how can you prove its the lack of fluorine? What about your families genetics, diet, environmental factors? Saying we have no fluorine, our teeth are good therefore the evidence in favour for fluorine is wrong is horribly flawed logic. A sample size of one, or even one paper has no "statistically science" proof because it doesnt prove anything.

And even so your anectodal evidence doesnt address fluorine as opposed to raised fluorine.

And where would your proof be that a lack of fluorine in aboriginal communities leads to better dental health?

Edited by RedKat: 12/11/2015 05:54:03 PM


as opposed to survey companies who are engaged by companies who have something to gain specifically targetting the correct demographic to achieve the desired result.....that's good science right?


as far as variable go, what about the variables in the people who are being forced feed this shit.......do you even know how the fluoride was introduced and where it came from?????? i seriously doubt it


Ahhh yes, when all else fails blame the corporations!

So easy to just dismiss the weight of scientific evidence without providing any ACTUAL EVIDENCE of SPECIFIC INSTANCES of "corporate dodginess" affecting health studies. The mere involvement of 'big pharma' is enough to just wave away the mountains of evidence.

I have no problem with questioning the motives of any profit-seeking company, however there needs to be actual evidence before you can dismiss the evidence.

Go on - are you going to argue vaccines cause autism? I'm waiting for it!


This sort of thing (blaming corporations because they're big and profitable) is terribly damaging to the world. People wilfully ignore some of the great things these corporations do simply because they 'don't trust' a company that rakes it in.

What is completely retarded is that the only way new drugs are made is from these profits.

I do not understand some people and their ignorant paranoia.



Ok experts, explain to us "fools" the benefits versus the risk (that science has proven) involved with adding an industrial by-product to perfectly good drinking water. What if the worst should happen and dangerous levels were to go through unchecked? Is it a necessary risk for the so called benefits?

Please no strawmen about anti vaccers etc or corporations needing profits fluoridating our water to make new drugs.


Because people don't brush their f*cking teeth anymore.
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BETHFC wrote:
Unshackled wrote:


Ok experts, explain to us "fools" the benefits versus the risk (that science has proven) involved with adding an industrial by-product to perfectly good drinking water. What if the worst should happen and dangerous levels were to go through unchecked? Is it a necessary risk for the so called benefits?

Please no strawmen about anti vaccers etc or corporations needing profits fluoridating our water to make new drugs.


Because people don't brush their f*cking teeth anymore.


Sounds ridiculous. If you're not brushing your teeth I doubt fluoridated water is going to be a miracle cure for dental health. I would be interested to know how beneficial it actually is.

Numerous countries banning the practice, the public having no idea of the costs or operation, the clergy of science conflicted on the issue and the potential for disaster pumping chemicals that some are calling "neurotoxins" into a perfectly good water supply.

It does not seem unreasonable to have concerns and questions regarding the practice but to do so you are bombarded with "conspiracy theorist", "nut job" ad hominems.
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batfink wrote:
sorry it's the truth, is that not statistically science??

and what did the aboriginals of each nation do before fluoride and chlorine??


Not trying to get into the war on diets but they didn't eat large amounts of processed grains and other things that go with a society that lives in a fixed position. When humans switched from hunter gathers to farming and started making food made from grains a staple is the where they start finding increased levels of tooth decay. As I understand it this creates a different ph and then sort of bacterial ecosystem in your mouth that isn't great for your teeth.

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Ok experts, explain to us "fools" the benefits versus the risk (that science has proven) involved with adding an industrial by-product to perfectly good drinking water. What if the worst should happen and dangerous levels were to go through unchecked? Is it a necessary risk for the so called benefits?

Please no strawmen about anti vaccers etc or corporations needing profits fluoridating our water to make new drugs.

But its potentially not perfectly good drinking water. Its a very large stagnant pool of water that is a prime area from which to spread disease. We have our water governing bodies filter it and then treat it with other chemicals (most likely industrial waster too, as that would be the cheapest and most effective way to produce it. Doesn't mean it isn't useful) to make sure that we don't have spread whatever bacteria or disease related organism to the general public.

Too assess the risk/benefit I'd suggest reading documents such as the one in link below by NSW health and if you can find it the Australian Standards for adding fluoride to water.

http://www.health.nsw.gov.au/environment/water/Documents/fluoridation-questions-and-answers-nsw.pdf
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