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quickflick wrote:433 wrote:grazorblade wrote:prayers with the victims and their families As for islam if any muslims are reading this thread know that many of us welcome you in this country, many of us are capable of using google to find muslims speaking out against these travesties rather relying on media narratives, many of us are capable of learning about your religion and reading the quran rather than relying on rumour and viral social media posts even if my conscioence leads me to have profoundly different beliefs. Many of us are greatful for the friendships we have with you and hope we can do whatever we can to make your life in this country as enjoyable as mine They are following the Quran, it literally tells them to kill non-believers? So does the Bible if you look in the right places.What of it? Have a listen to people with expertise in Islam, not people like Andrew Bolt What places?
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Drunken_Fish wrote:quickflick wrote:433 wrote:grazorblade wrote:prayers with the victims and their families As for islam if any muslims are reading this thread know that many of us welcome you in this country, many of us are capable of using google to find muslims speaking out against these travesties rather relying on media narratives, many of us are capable of learning about your religion and reading the quran rather than relying on rumour and viral social media posts even if my conscioence leads me to have profoundly different beliefs. Many of us are greatful for the friendships we have with you and hope we can do whatever we can to make your life in this country as enjoyable as mine They are following the Quran, it literally tells them to kill non-believers? So does the Bible if you look in the right places.What of it? Have a listen to people with expertise in Islam, not people like Andrew Bolt What places? A significant chunk of the old testament
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BA81 wrote:It should be noted that France has a particular spot in the ire of these jihadist monsters b/c of said country's past imperial-subjugation of Muslim-majority lands that have since become independent nations :idea:
Algeria, Tunisia, Morocco, Syria, Lebanon etc... What has Sweden done to deserve this "ire" Does this justify the genocide of indigenous Europe?
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BA81 wrote:Unshackled wrote:Have the French and Europe not learned how to be multicultural enough?
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[youtube]nkDfqLz6R8o[/youtube] Have the French and Europe not learned how to do multiculturalism properly, ie. how we do it here? Fixed. And IMHO any country seeking to introduce multiculturalism MUST look to us, not the US/UK/anywhere else, for the model to emulate. How is it done properly here? How does that help Europe/US/UK? Edited by unshackled: 15/11/2015 08:14:58 PM
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petszk wrote:trident wrote:From today's debate Bernie Sanders said: Quote:"Climate change is directly related to the growth of terrorism," Sanders said. "And if we do not get our act together and listen to what the scientists say, you're gonna see countries all over the world — this is what the CIA says — they're gonna be struggling over limited amounts of water, limited amounts of land to grow their crops. And you're gonna see all kinds of international conflict." http://www.refinery29.com/2015/11/97666/bernie-sanders-climate-change-isis-terrorism-democratic-debate=d> =d> =d> =d> =d> Quote:2015 is on track to be the hottest year ever recorded. International leaders are scheduled to meet in Paris for a climate change summit at the end of November. Edited by trident: 15/11/2015 04:58:30 PM  Did laugh out loud at this. Made my day.
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Apparently Sydney FC's Jaques Faty learnt that some of his friends were among the victims in Paris.
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trident wrote:From today's debate Bernie Sanders said: Quote:"Climate change is directly related to the growth of terrorism," Sanders said. "And if we do not get our act together and listen to what the scientists say, you're gonna see countries all over the world — this is what the CIA says — they're gonna be struggling over limited amounts of water, limited amounts of land to grow their crops. And you're gonna see all kinds of international conflict." http://www.refinery29.com/2015/11/97666/bernie-sanders-climate-change-isis-terrorism-democratic-debateQuote:2015 is on track to be the hottest year ever recorded. International leaders are scheduled to meet in Paris for a climate change summit at the end of November. Unfortunately you will tend to find that a lot of people, and right wingers in particular, are in denial over the issue and refer to the suggested link as a 'long bow'. This is because there are too many dots to join to make the cognitive connection or, more pertinently, there are too many dots to have to put the mental effort into making a connection. It's ironic, but not surprising, that many more people die and will die from global warming than terrorism yet governmental responses are woefully disproportionate. Edited by Murdoch Rags Ltd: 15/11/2015 11:54:35 PM
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On CNN that one of the attackers posed as a refugee in Greece.
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BA81
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Unshackled wrote:BA81 wrote:It should be noted that France has a particular spot in the ire of these jihadist monsters b/c of said country's past imperial-subjugation of Muslim-majority lands that have since become independent nations :idea:
Algeria, Tunisia, Morocco, Syria, Lebanon etc... What has Sweden done to deserve this "ire" Does this justify the genocide of indigenous Europe? Of course not. The fact you use this particular emotive phrasing disturbs me, as It's the language of bonehead Stormfront posers :idea: I fucken well hope you don't in any way empathise with subhuman filth like that.
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BA81 wrote:Unshackled wrote:BA81 wrote:It should be noted that France has a particular spot in the ire of these jihadist monsters b/c of said country's past imperial-subjugation of Muslim-majority lands that have since become independent nations :idea:
Algeria, Tunisia, Morocco, Syria, Lebanon etc... What has Sweden done to deserve this "ire" Does this justify the genocide of indigenous Europe? Of course not. The fact you use this particular emotive phrasing disturbs me, as It's the language of bonehead Stormfront posers :idea: I fucken well hope you don't in any way empathise with subhuman filth like that. Don't even bother with that multi.
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quickflick
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433 wrote:quickflick wrote:433 wrote:grazorblade wrote:prayers with the victims and their families As for islam if any muslims are reading this thread know that many of us welcome you in this country, many of us are capable of using google to find muslims speaking out against these travesties rather relying on media narratives, many of us are capable of learning about your religion and reading the quran rather than relying on rumour and viral social media posts even if my conscioence leads me to have profoundly different beliefs. Many of us are greatful for the friendships we have with you and hope we can do whatever we can to make your life in this country as enjoyable as mine They are following the Quran, it literally tells them to kill non-believers? So does the Bible if you look in the right places. What of it? Have a listen to people with expertise in Islam, not people like Andrew Bolt :lol: Ok bud, Mohamed was a warlord who propagated his "religion" through the sword. Yes, there are peaceful passages, but these are overridden by the warlike pasaages later in the book. Whatever, keep employing your mental gymnastics, you're just as clueless as the rest of them. And? Have a look at Christianity at that point in time. Sweet, so you've got absolutely no response, expect to suggest I'm performing mental gymnastics, to the fact that just like with Islam, if you choose to quote the Bible selectively, you end up with much the same bloody message. +95% of Muslims live in the 21st Century and don't subscribe to the rhetoric of bloodlust anymore than +95% of Christians don't interpret the Old Testament literally. Of the remaining 5%. Perhaps about 1% are psychos. And about 4% have been marginalised because people like you make them feel like shit as you seem to regurgitate the mind-numbing crap of people like Andrew Bolt. Edited by quickflick: 16/11/2015 01:33:40 AM
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vanlassen wrote:quickflick wrote:I also suspect that a lot have no idea what it's like to be a Muslim in France.
I'm no expert but I study it at tertiary level, I've spent a little bit of time in Paris (but not much and a while back) and I have a good few French friends. [/i] That's nice. Please tell me everything you know. Be careful what you wish for
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433 wrote:quickflick wrote:433 wrote:quickflick wrote:433 wrote:Then just leave if life sucks so much ? Or France could start practising what it preaches and focus on those three words; liberté, égalité et fraternité? Why should be people, citizens of a country no less, be treated like shit on the basis of their religion? 1) they're not, else they would have left 2) the home country should never change for migrants, it should be the other way around You don't get it mate. Firstly, lots of these people were born in France. Where do they go? They're French. FRENCH. FRENCH. FRENCH. Secondly, why should they (whether they were born in France or not) leave a country of which they're a citizen? Why should they be subjected to racist and prejudiced attitudes? Thirdly, have a read up on French history and political philosophy. French political philosophy is, essentially, tolerant. Voltaire, Montesquieu, etc. It's not a case of France changing its values. It's a case of France living up to the political ideals it has preached for 300 years. Edited by quickflick: 15/11/2015 06:11:16 PM If they're Muslim theyre culturally not French. Being French (culturally, legally) does not preclude the possibility of being Muslim. You may find this a difficult concept but it's possible to be both :d Moreover, being Muslim doesn't, necessarily, determine all (or even most) of the cultural characteristics of a person. Some of our Muslim friends' cultural interests reflect those of standard Aussies. This is the same with Muslims in France.
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BA81 wrote:Unshackled wrote:Have the French and Europe not learned how to do multiculturalism properly, ie. how we do it here? Fixed. And IMHO any country seeking to introduce multiculturalism MUST look to us, not the US/UK/anywhere else, for the model to emulate. Fair enough but our circumstances are dramatically different to other countries. Apart from anything, we're a set of former British colonies in the middle of nowhere and surrounded by sea. Bit different for European countries which, geographic issues aside, have colonised other countries with high Muslim populations, and have various obligations to fulfill. Additionally, various aspects of Australia's approach to people seeking asylum or wishing to start a new life has, as per international law, proved illegal and unprincipled. In some respects and if it weren't a serious matter, we would be the laughing stock of the world as many think we live in the nineteenth century. On the one hand, we've done some tremendous things as a nation build on immigration and assimilation. But our recent policies have been regarded internationally (by all but the BNP) as atrocious and the scars of the White Australia Policy are still there. Edited by quickflick: 16/11/2015 01:50:06 AM
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quickflick wrote:BA81 wrote:Unshackled wrote:Have the French and Europe not learned how to do multiculturalism properly, ie. how we do it here? Fixed. And IMHO any country seeking to introduce multiculturalism MUST look to us, not the US/UK/anywhere else, for the model to emulate. Fair enough but our circumstances are dramatically different to other countries. Apart from anything, we're a set of former British colonies in the middle of nowhere and surrounded by sea. Bit different for European countries which, geographic issues aside, have colonised other countries with high Muslim populations, and have various obligations to fulfill. Additionally, various aspects of Australia's approach to people seeking asylum or wishing to start a new life has, as per international law, proved illegal and unprincipled. In some respects and if it weren't a serious matter, we would be the laughing stock of the world as many think we live in the nineteenth century. On the one hand, we've done some tremendous things as a nation build on immigration and assimilation. But our recent policies have been regarded internationally (by all but the BNP) as atrocious and the scars of the White Australia Policy are still there. Edited by quickflick: 16/11/2015 01:50:06 AM Only according to left however, many people applaud australia's approach
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lukerobinho wrote:quickflick wrote:BA81 wrote:Unshackled wrote:Have the French and Europe not learned how to do multiculturalism properly, ie. how we do it here? Fixed. And IMHO any country seeking to introduce multiculturalism MUST look to us, not the US/UK/anywhere else, for the model to emulate. Fair enough but our circumstances are dramatically different to other countries. Apart from anything, we're a set of former British colonies in the middle of nowhere and surrounded by sea. Bit different for European countries which, geographic issues aside, have colonised other countries with high Muslim populations, and have various obligations to fulfill. Additionally, various aspects of Australia's approach to people seeking asylum or wishing to start a new life has, as per international law, proved illegal and unprincipled. In some respects and if it weren't a serious matter, we would be the laughing stock of the world as many think we live in the nineteenth century. On the one hand, we've done some tremendous things as a nation build on immigration and assimilation. But our recent policies have been regarded internationally (by all but the BNP) as atrocious and the scars of the White Australia Policy are still there. Edited by quickflick: 16/11/2015 01:50:06 AM Only according to left however, many people applaud australia's approach No. According to the United Nations and according to those who specialise in human rights law (from Australia and from elsewhere). I'm not overall left, right or anything. But I can appreciate that, in recent times, Australia hasn't discharged it duties which various international treaties ( 1951 Refugee Convention, Convention on the Rights of the Child, etc.) compel us to discharge. To be fair, it's an exceedingly difficult issue. Not because there's some danger that we'll be invaded by "them Moslems" but because encouraging people to seek asylum risks many people drowning at sea. On another thread I've articulated the only possible means I perceive of discharging our legal obligations and not encouraging deaths at sea. But the point is that Australia's approach has been illegal and unprincipled.
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My girlfriend was one of the victims in the attacks :( I was at the France-Germany game.
I never want to experience that fear and heart-sinking realization again. I'm numb.
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Wow sorry to hear that AJohn.
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BA81 wrote:Unshackled wrote:BA81 wrote:It should be noted that France has a particular spot in the ire of these jihadist monsters b/c of said country's past imperial-subjugation of Muslim-majority lands that have since become independent nations :idea:
Algeria, Tunisia, Morocco, Syria, Lebanon etc... What has Sweden done to deserve this "ire" Does this justify the genocide of indigenous Europe? Of course not. The fact you use this particular emotive phrasing disturbs me, as It's the language of bonehead Stormfront posers :idea: I fucken well hope you don't in any way empathise with subhuman filth like that. Nice deflection. I stated the truth. I would consider anyone trying to infer that the French somehow deserved this as subhuman filth. Ironically it is a tactic often used by Jewish supremacists.
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AJohn wrote:My girlfriend was one of the victims in the attacks :( I was at the France-Germany game.
I never want to experience that fear and heart-sinking realization again. I'm numb. :( :(
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MrBrisbane wrote:Latest news there is a man hunt on for an 8th attacker on the run possibly another. They released an international warrant if i'm not mistaken. The chaos last night at the vigil is a sign of the fragility of the morale of the Parisians, having said that, a firecracker after such an event would likely cause that sort of hysteria, as well as gun drawn military and police advancing on the position.
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Scotch&Coke wrote:Drunken_Fish wrote:quickflick wrote:433 wrote:grazorblade wrote:prayers with the victims and their families As for islam if any muslims are reading this thread know that many of us welcome you in this country, many of us are capable of using google to find muslims speaking out against these travesties rather relying on media narratives, many of us are capable of learning about your religion and reading the quran rather than relying on rumour and viral social media posts even if my conscioence leads me to have profoundly different beliefs. Many of us are greatful for the friendships we have with you and hope we can do whatever we can to make your life in this country as enjoyable as mine They are following the Quran, it literally tells them to kill non-believers? So does the Bible if you look in the right places.What of it? Have a listen to people with expertise in Islam, not people like Andrew Bolt What places? A significant chunk of the old testament You mean things written for a specific time and place, not things written for Christians to do today.
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quickflick wrote:
Of the remaining 5%. Perhaps about 1% are psychos. And about 4% have been marginalised because people like you make them feel like shit as you seem to regurgitate the mind-numbing crap of people like Andrew Bolt.
Edited by quickflick: 16/11/2015 01:33:40 AM
This shits me to tears. So so many people on facebook are attributing the blame to all sorts of politics and racism and completely avoiding the issues. Bravo world, bravo.
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Unshackled wrote:BA81 wrote:Unshackled wrote:BA81 wrote:It should be noted that France has a particular spot in the ire of these jihadist monsters b/c of said country's past imperial-subjugation of Muslim-majority lands that have since become independent nations :idea:
Algeria, Tunisia, Morocco, Syria, Lebanon etc... What has Sweden done to deserve this "ire" Does this justify the genocide of indigenous Europe? Of course not. The fact you use this particular emotive phrasing disturbs me, as It's the language of bonehead Stormfront posers :idea: I fucken well hope you don't in any way empathise with subhuman filth like that. Nice deflection. I stated the truth. I would consider anyone trying to infer that the French somehow deserved this as subhuman filth. Ironically it is a tactic often used by Jewish supremacists. If you prescribe to the worldly people of this world and their moral high ground this is Frances fault because of their political treatment of Muslims. The fact that people are ignoring the psychos and are trying to find ways to spread the blame makes me sick.
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Its funny that people find it easy to link climate change to terrorism but experience unease when someone links muslim migration to Europe with terrorism.
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AJohn wrote:My girlfriend was one of the victims in the attacks :( I was at the France-Germany game.
I never want to experience that fear and heart-sinking realization again. I'm numb. oh dude I'm so sorry to hear man. I'm sure I'm not the only one to say that the FFT and football community is here to support you man. I can't begin to imagine how you must be feeling. Stay strong <3
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AJohn wrote:My girlfriend was one of the victims in the attacks :( I was at the France-Germany game.
I never want to experience that fear and heart-sinking realization again. I'm numb. sorry to hear. my condolences to you
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u4486662 wrote:Its funny that people find it easy to link climate change to terrorism but experience unease when someone links muslim migration to Europe with terrorism. this Edited by Socawho: 16/11/2015 09:27:23 AM
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