mate do you ever take a clue.
you ask me a question regarding muslims and then when i give you an answer you continue to give everyone else the impression that i gave a totally different answer so that i cop some sort of backlash.
if theres anyone that doesnt dot the i's and the t's around these forums it would have to be you !

you make everyone here think im out to get every muslim when clearly i havent. and i have clarified my position on that yet you keep baiting me and egging me on to say i hate all muslims.

kind of misleading dont you think?

Edited by Socawho: 19/11/2015 04:34:45 PM

Edited by Socawho: 19/11/2015 04:36:06 PM

Please take your angst over to the multi thread. It's unwanted here where the adults are having a discussion.

As I've said many times 99% of my posts are not at you.

Well that's a first no insults. Although these are usually edited half a dozen times so you never know.

Apologies just one more. You won't get an argument from me regarding the fact that the "community standards" on this forum are far too low. Just that it's clear that a certain post to a grieving person that's currently in a tough situation was below what the community expects and hence why an apology was mentioned.

Also the perception of there being "teams or mates" on here is an interesting concept but that's for another time and another thread.

im not insulting you ,im stating the facts.

Well that's a good place to start. Try to keep it up.

They're way low and I'n no angel either.

But getting warned to calm down by a mod when it's all one way traffic is pretty annoying. It really just encourages you to blast back with both barrels.

Would love to see a feature here which is used elsewhere. Comment removed, off topic.

Used liberally, at least initially, it would tidy up threads and keep them on track once posters realised they've wasted their time posting swathes of off topic garbage.

I would love to see this implemented, would get rid of the bullshit on here.

times a precious commodity..i dont endorse what 433 said...but if we had to say sorry for every offence caused on these forums then im pretty sure most people would leave and go elsewhere...and you would be here all on your lonesome :)

yes ..i realise i can post some mean shit...but its done in half jest.

If we spent most of our time saying sorry to each other ...well you figure it out.

Edited by Socawho: 19/11/2015 05:11:33 PM

That would be quite good indeed.

You need more active mods to do such a thing.

-PB

Do we really need censorship here...i understand there are somethings that are out of order and needs to be reigned in but if you get butthurt to easily why even come onto a forum at all?...instead go play marbles or something.
its a bit like if i want to take up boxing or UFC....i might like it but if i know theres a high likelyhood im gonna get knocked the fuck out due to having a glass chin then i wouldnt take it up in the first place.
By no means am i encouraging bullying but these are only words we write here and on the whole shouldnt be taken personally ..

As the great man PV4 once said the people who post here might not be a true reflection of what they are like in real life

sure there are some people i dont get along here but id rather be respected for standing by my convictions then pander to everyone just to make them happy

Edited by Socawho: 19/11/2015 07:00:37 PM

Not censorship of opinion, but FFS there's only so much fighting between peoples fake multis you can stand. A discussion on a coaches bad call shouldn't contain 3 pages of Sydney youth boys vs RBB youth boys arguing about who fought who when they are bioth idiots trying to be funny.

That's the stuff the mods could cut.

Build a wall around the middle east. its time

yeah true. i was more referring to those who have a whinge like theyve been assaulted in the street.

Some of the comments on here are beyond the pale.

As a true liberal (in the J.S. Mills sense) I think anyone should have the right to express opinions which may be considered offensive.

The idea is that in such a society, the level of intelligence and education is as high as possible and we behave like rational, educated adults. Not like twelve year old harbouring irrational fears of people who wear odd clothes or have different coloured skin.

I'm ashamed at reading some of the xenophobic, sensationalist, alarmist comments on here.

What I find staggering is that we have a contributor on here who has personally suffered in this tragedy who is rational and has not given into hatred. Likewise, there was a bloke on the BBC who lost his wife to this attack. He is much the same. Very sensible and intelligent. He won't let ISIS win by giving into hatred. Remarkable people.

Yet there are people on here who have nothing to complain about and yet managed to produce utterly poisonous bile about Muslims.

Edited by quickflick: 19/11/2015 10:20:57 PM

Well said. I enjoy reading the different of opinions on this forum. The fact that alot of forumites have strong opinions is what makes this place enjoyable to visit. I hate reading about/listening to pandering middle grounders. The last thing we need is to moderate what people can say on any given topic and the day trident starts dictating forum standards is the day this place becomes a left wing circle jerk.

Now, back on topic?

:)

Do you treat it as "poisonous bile" when people make observations that the Muslim history and current events has observable, violent patterns over 1,400 years?

It is possible to draw negative conclusions on Muslims without it being labelled as "poisonous bile"?

Edited by uncle sepp: 20/11/2015 12:27:26 AM

This a little bit.

Islam doesn't have a pleasant history, and there are lots of things wrong with it. It goes both ways though, arguments or negative points about Islam need to be presented respectfully and those responding to those points need to not disregard them without respect.

The amount of muslims that are willing to go kill innocent people is small, but you can factor in their apologists, sympathisers and 'at home' extremists, the number is still probably rather small, but still enough to cause problems.

How many 'islamists' there are I would argue are much much higher. Most muslim countries have Islam as their state religion."Democratic" countries like Pakistan have apostasy laws. Countries that arose from the Arab Spring like Tunisia and Egypt voted in Islamist governments. In conflicts around the world, when war has occurred involving Muslims many of the armed forces are under an Islamic banner, not a secular one e.g Chechenya, Afghanistan, Syria, Iraq, Thailand, Burma, Palestine, Sudan, China, India, and Pakistan.

Many Muslim countries have ongoing Islamist insurgencies e.g Pakistan, Egypt, Somalia.

Most muslim countries (with the exception of the the gulf countries who import foreign workers) have declining minority religious populations eg Palestine, Syria, Iraq, Jordan, Egypt and Iran, and Frances Jewish population is declining with the rise of the Muslim population.

My own personal experience is I've met plenty of fine muslims who are some of the best people I've ever met. I've also met many of your stereotypical Muslims, and I can personally understand why many westerners are wary of letting in large populations of them when I believe they have a clear tendency to bring make their religious beliefs political.

I've also met hardly any Muslim who does not hate Jews and I'm pretty confident that the hatred of Jews is heavily entrenched in Muslims.

As for whether the problem is Islam or just the Muslims themselves I can not say, I haven't read the whole Quran(Although I have read some pretty nasty bits from it) but I would be interested to listen to someone who has read it and analyzed it.

I also think it's dangerous to make excuses like unemployment/descrimination, their are many groups of people that can say the same thing however they don't go and behead people. The ideology that has been allowed to spread is the problem.

Edited by iridium1010: 20/11/2015 01:36:05 AM

bile against extremist muslims is ok...not the peace loving moderate ones

I dont like all religions. im of the view that religion was invented by people who wanted to assume a powerbase and use it as a form of legitimacy for gaining power.
For example no one realises the one of the most bloodiest conflicts in Humanity ever was the Taipeng Rebellion in China. All because one man managed to convince the masses he was the brother of Jesus Christ and had built a huge following on the basis that the Manchurians Government were the proponents of Satan.
Although I respect the right for people to practise religion as long as its peaceful


Edited by Socawho: 20/11/2015 02:00:53 AM

Edited by Socawho: 20/11/2015 02:02:16 AM

Thanks everyone from the bottom of my heart for the support, it means a lot.

The arsehole in charge of the attacks is dead. Killed in the raids around the corner from my house. Wish the bastard rotted in a prison cell instead of getting his bloody martyrdom.

Islam was born out of subjugation, oppression and conquests. Christianity is not drastically different.

Leaving aside Christian-Islamic conflict over the Holy Lands, look at the Reformation and Counter-Reformation. St/Sir Thomas Moore was brutal. Elements of the Catholic Church sought to smite every Protestant off the face of the planet. Some Protestants tried to do the same thing to Catholics.

Religion aside, look at what the British did to the Indigenous Australians, the Irish, Africans (like the Zulus), Indians, etc. It was brutal and, with respect to the Aborigines, was little better than genocide.

Look at the Spanish in South America and the French and Belgians in Africa.

I wouldn't quite call Islam a religion of peace (any more than I'd use that term to describe Christianity or Judaism). You can find calls to war in the scriptures of all those religions. However I'd say that +95% of Muslims interpret their scripture in a manner that is peaceful and seek to use it to become better people. Same with the other religions.

If we wish to criticise Muslims for action in the past and the origins of Islam, we might as well claim that the Western civilisation, the governments of Britain, France, etc. are all invalid because of past atrocities and violent origins.

Hope he died a slow death

The majority of people who practise religion i believe are good people...but the people who author them are not

If I can weigh in on the muslim thing. I have nothing but love for the Muslim community at the moment. I've had a few of them contact me last week offering sympathies and pan au's, kind words and an ear to listen. One person even offered to give me an extraordinary amount of money. The actions of a few extremists will never ruin my opinion on Muslims. They are the few and far between. It would be like if I made my opinion on the 442 community based on the comments of the twat from earlier.

Edited by AJohn: 20/11/2015 02:11:46 AM

I made a joke about martyrdom in poor taste so I've gotten rid of it.

I do have to say that I'm overwhelmed at your strong response to this ghastly situation. You could be forgiven for wanting that bloke hung from a meathook. The fact that you wanted him to go to trial and then serve life in prison (the way justice should work) is a testament to your strength of character, fairness, balance and sense of justice. I wouldn't be able to handle things the way you are, I'm fairly sure.

Edited by quickflick: 20/11/2015 03:38:16 AM

My thoughts are with you.