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Aizawl FC demand promotion-relegation in restructured top division- By TFG Team
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How ISL's expansion will result in the demise of the I-League The I-League is staring down the abyss as ISL takes over Indian football. Opinion 7 hrs ago Atletico de Kolkata are the current ISL champions In a recent meeting with the Asian Football Confederation (AFC), the heads of the All India Football Federation (AIFF) along with representatives of major I-League clubs resolved the deadlock surrounding the I-League and Indian Super League merger. In a solution which ostensibly appeased the representatives of the I-League clubs and Football Sports Development Limited (FSDL), the parent body behind the ISL, the two tournaments were decided to be held simultaneously. However, to allay the concerns of the I-League losing its sheen, AIFF President Praful Patel promised equal coverage and marketing activities for the country's national football league. But would that be enough to prevent the tournament from fading away as the ISL takes over eventually? Dearth of quality players means teams will flex their financial muscle The ISL clubs are backed by financially sound sponsors and shareholders. On the other hand, I-League clubs like Aizawl FC are managed by small-time owners and supporters. It goes without saying that in the transfer market, the minnows from Mizoram will not be able to lure big-name players with their money. Within a few months of winning the I-League, Aizawl are already in disarray. East Bengal have raided their squad and signed a number of crucial players including their centre back Eze Kingsley and Syrian midfielder Mahmoud Al-Amnah. If reports are to be believed, Aizawl’s head coach Khalid Jamil is also heading to the Calcutta club in order to strengthen their side for the next season. Also read: FPAI urges Indian players not to sign new contract until AIFF clears the ISL-I-League muddle Thus, when faced with the insurmountable financial strength of the ISL clubs, it will only be a matter of time before a club like Aizawl FC gets wiped out from the higher echelons of Indian football. It will be tough to imagine a club who won the league last season languishing in the lower divisions of the League. But, with the roadmap thought out by the AIFF, this fear is not unfounded. Lack of Indian players will force the I-League teams to deploy reserves as they fight for the league In a very interesting study by Novy Kapadia, football expert and analyst, it was concluded that there would be a clear divide when the teams ultimately get down to business. With 10 I-League clubs and 10 ISL teams, it would be difficult to maintain the stipulated quota of Indian players whilst challenging for the respective titles. If each franchise hires, let us say, 12 senior Indian players, then with 10 teams it would make it 120 players. Similarly, if each of the 10 I-League clubs buys about 16 Indian players, about 160-170 players will be recruited. So, about 280 Indian players will get employed and play competitive football for over four months. But the critical question at this juncture would be – where are these 250-280 good Indian players who have had prior experience of playing football at the top level in India? Due to the nascent football grassroots programmes, there are very few academies which regularly churn out talent, ready to compete at the top level. With the frequent shutting down of clubs, this situation has worsened further. Also read: Indian football's future roadmap remains undecided at the end of stakeholders' meeting with AFC Clubs like JCT and Dempo used to be major players with respect to producing future stars. But with these clubs bowing out, there is a dearth of top quality youngsters ready to make it big. As a result, clubs have to make use of their existing resources or try and dish out extravagant salaries to lure players from rival clubs. Consequently, with respect to the ISL clubs, they will make use of their better infrastructure and produce players who will rise through the ranks and become a part of the senior team. Coupled with their financial mettle, ISL franchises will have all the power to control player transfer activities. This will ultimately spell doom for the I-League clubs. Meanwhile, the AIFF has been pondering a tournament comprising the top 4 teams each from the ISL and the I-League to decide the AFC representatives from India. So, the two top teams of this resultant competition can be from either the I-League or the ISL which might seem in essence a fair playing field. But, when the above factors are taken into consideration, it does not look too bright for the I-League sides. Without adequate means to do battle with their ISL counterparts, it will not be surprising if teams from the I-League fail to make the cut in the AFC competitions. The format of such a competition to decide the two AFC representatives has not been finalised yet, but with the roadmap that has been drawn, it surely is a death knell for the national clubs of the country. Read More https://m.sportskeeda.com/football/how-isl-2017-expansion-is-ushering-in-the-slow-demise-of-i-league
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 Happened in US. Happening in India now.
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What's the topic of this thread, exactly?
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I would say it's more a theme than a topic. The theme is Australia should have promotion and relegation.
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+xWhat's the topic of this thread, exactly? Don't tell him Pike
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This tearfully happy nonagenarian is one Juan Osorio of Argentina. The very, very longtime (he’s 94 years old) fan of Argie club Independiente Rivadavia was overcome with emotion this weekend when the local boys doubled their lead against Argentinos Juniors in what for Independiente was a big game:
Independiente are fighting for their lives against relegation from Argentina’s second division. They’ve done pretty well this year, currently sitting in eighth place in this season’s table, but Argentine lower division relegation rules are a little odd. There, the league takes the sum of each team’s cumulative points in the second tier over the past four season, divides that by the number of matches played, and the four teams with the lowest average points per match number gets relegated to one of the two third-tier leagues.
The 2-1 victory Independiente eventually held on to against Argentinos was their third consecutive victory, which inched them ever closer to safety. Independiente’s points per match number is just 0.013 below Juventud Unida in the safe spot above them, with seven matches left in the season. If ever you needed a concrete example of why promotion and relegation is so viscerally thrilling, Osorio’s tears should do the trick.
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How the UEFA Nations League could line upTuesday 13 June 2017 The UEFA Nations League kicks off in September 2018 with UEFA's 55 member associations split into four leagues – but who will be in which? Here's how the situation currently stands. Sweden replaced Bosnia and Herzegovina in the provisional top section after June's results©Getty Images The UEFA Nations League kicks off in September 2018, with UEFA's 55 member associations split into four leagues – but who will be in which? Who goes into which league?- The 55 participating teams are split for the competition's inaugural edition into four leagues, A–B–C–D, according to their position in the UEFA National Team Coefficient Rankings following the end of European Qualifiers for the 2018 FIFA World Cup (as per 11 October 2017, play-off results will not be included).
- League A will include the 12 top-ranked teams. The next 12 teams will be in League B, the next 15 in League C and the remaining 16 in League D.
- Leagues A and B will consist of four groups of three teams.
- League C will comprise one group of three teams and three groups of four sides.
- League D will be formed by four groups of four teams.
- All draw procedures to be confirmed.
- After the initial edition begins there will be promotion and relegation between the leagues, and the ongoing UEFA Nations League rankings will determine seedings for all future European Qualifiers.
- FULL DETAILS: ALL YOU NEED TO KNOW
How would the leagues look if they were decided today?The latest Interim National Team Coefficient Rankings were published after the most recent European Qualifiers on 11 June 2017 (not to be confused with the separate FIFA rankings). If the leagues were decided by these rankings today, here is how they would look ... LEAGUE A (teams to be split into four groups of three) Germany, Portugal, Belgium, Spain, France, Switzerland, Italy, England, Poland, Croatia, Iceland, Sweden LEAGUE B (teams to be split into four groups of three) Slovakia, Russia, Netherlands, Ukraine, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Austria, Republic of Ireland, Northern Ireland, Turkey, Wales, Czech Republic, Slovenia LEAGUE C (teams to be split into one group of three, and three groups of four) Hungary, Denmark, Greece, Albania, Romania, Serbia, Montenegro, Israel, Scotland, Bulgaria, Norway, Cyprus, Lithuania, Azerbaijan, Belarus LEAGUE D (teams to be split into four groups of four) Finland, Estonia, Armenia, Georgia, Faroe Islands, Latvia, FYR Macedonia, Moldova, Kazakhstan, Luxembourg, Andorra, Liechtenstein, Malta, Kosovo, San Marino, Gibraltar These leagues are provisional, and the line-ups will only be confirmed after the European Qualifying groups end in October. There is plenty of opportunity for teams to move up and down the categories.
However, as things stand ... - Belgium, Switzerland, Croatia, Poland, Iceland and Sweden would all have a chance of a first major national-team title competing in League A, with the winners emerging from a final-four tournament between the group victors in June 2019.
- Former European champions the Netherlands and UEFA EURO 2016 semi-finalists Wales are among those currently set for League B.
- EURO qualifiers Hungary, Romania and Albania could be in a competitive-looking League C.
- One side from League D would be assured of a place at UEFA EURO 2020 via play-offs that March; of those, only Latvia have previously made a major final tournament (UEFA EURO 2004).
Note that Russia and Ukraine can be in the same League, but would not be drawn into the same group. The same applies to Armenia and Azerbaijan, if the current UEFA Executive Committee decisions still apply when the draw is made.
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I like what UEFA are doing. The FIFA rankings should be scrapped altogether or just used for reference.
Australia should be ranked in Asia by playing against Asian teams.
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+xThis tearfully happy nonagenarian is one Juan Osorio of Argentina. The very, very longtime (he’s 94 years old) fan of Argie club Independiente Rivadavia was overcome with emotion this weekend when the local boys doubled their lead against Argentinos Juniors in what for Independiente was a big game: Independiente are fighting for their lives against relegation from Argentina’s second division. They’ve done pretty well this year, currently sitting in eighth place in this season’s table, but Argentine lower division relegation rules are a little odd. There, the league takes the sum of each team’s cumulative points in the second tier over the past four season, divides that by the number of matches played, and the four teams with the lowest average points per match number gets relegated to one of the two third-tier leagues. The 2-1 victory Independiente eventually held on to against Argentinos was their third consecutive victory, which inched them ever closer to safety. Independiente’s points per match number is just 0.013 below Juventud Unida in the safe spot above them, with seven matches left in the season. If ever you needed a concrete example of why promotion and relegation is so viscerally thrilling, Osorio’s tears should do the trick.
Sobbing Old Guy Is Super Happy That His Team Just Scored If you want pro/rel, then the Argentine system is probably the best way to do it. The promiedos are the tables that show the last 4 tournaments points totals and the averages. It's actually thrilling to see and not so straight forward. For example, this year, Velez have been as low as about 25th in the averages, but are now 21st. It's even more complicated in that all teams haven't played the same number of matches as they haven't been in the top division for the same number of tournaments. It becomes almost religious to check on it after every match, even of your rivals. Its also interesting in that you want some trams to get relegated, but some to stay up and they'll be relegated next tournament. e.g., I'm currently watching Quilmes games hoping they get relegated this tournament, so that they don't jump above us next tournament, and hoping Arsenal stay up, as they will be below us next tournament. Take a look at promiedos.com.ar
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+x+xThis tearfully happy nonagenarian is one Juan Osorio of Argentina. The very, very longtime (he’s 94 years old) fan of Argie club Independiente Rivadavia was overcome with emotion this weekend when the local boys doubled their lead against Argentinos Juniors in what for Independiente was a big game: Independiente are fighting for their lives against relegation from Argentina’s second division. They’ve done pretty well this year, currently sitting in eighth place in this season’s table, but Argentine lower division relegation rules are a little odd. There, the league takes the sum of each team’s cumulative points in the second tier over the past four season, divides that by the number of matches played, and the four teams with the lowest average points per match number gets relegated to one of the two third-tier leagues. The 2-1 victory Independiente eventually held on to against Argentinos was their third consecutive victory, which inched them ever closer to safety. Independiente’s points per match number is just 0.013 below Juventud Unida in the safe spot above them, with seven matches left in the season. If ever you needed a concrete example of why promotion and relegation is so viscerally thrilling, Osorio’s tears should do the trick.
Sobbing Old Guy Is Super Happy That His Team Just Scored If you want pro/rel, then the Argentine system is probably the best way to do it. The promiedos are the tables that show the last 4 tournaments points totals and the averages. It's actually thrilling to see and not so straight forward. For example, this year, Velez have been as low as about 25th in the averages, but are now 21st. It's even more complicated in that all teams haven't played the same number of matches as they haven't been in the top division for the same number of tournaments. It becomes almost religious to check on it after every match, even of your rivals. Its also interesting in that you want some trams to get relegated, but some to stay up and they'll be relegated next tournament. e.g., I'm currently watching Quilmes games hoping they get relegated this tournament, so that they don't jump above us next tournament, and hoping Arsenal stay up, as they will be below us next tournament. Take a look at promiedos.com.ar It's crazy ay. Love Argentine football. It's all over the shop unfortunately that's probably why it wouldn't work here. The average Joe or Bob needs to feel he isn't stupid, even though he is. Not to mentionwe have many drifters in Australia. Over a 4 year period you could seeput off returning to the game because they don't know what's going on.
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+x Happened in US. Happening in India now. And the consequences will be a lot harsher for India, There are a lot more numbers supporting the I league over the ISL. Could get very ugly.
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Argentine football had to be bailed out by the government, hardly the yardstick for how to run a football league.
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+xArgentine football had to be bailed out by the government, hardly the yardstick for how to run a football league. That's management. Not the league set up.
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Let Spartan tell you a funny story about Girona that has an Aussie connection. A week back on Twitter I noticed they had achieved promotion to La Liga and saw all the photos of them celebrating etc. The leading scorer in that campaign was a Spanish striker Fran Sandaza. Scored something like 9 in 32 or something similar. Some of you will remember him from his days at Rangers in Scotland. Big, strong, reasonably fast etc. Well if you follow the Aussies who are abroad you may have noticed he was at Tokyo FC with Burns. He didn't play much either in their season together and bailed out to Spain probably instead of rotting away. Now he looks like being a LaLiga striker when a season ago he would have been a great A-League pick up.
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THE SOCCER GAME IN CINCINNATI fc-cincinnatti-stadium-rendering-mls-expansion-bid By Jason Davis – WASHINGTON, DC (Jun 14, 2017) US Soccer Players - The life of a second division soccer team in the United States is mostly about pushing limits. It's working out what it means to be a second division soccer club in the United States. While it would be easy to make the argument that striving to break through limits in the lower divisions here is a function of the lack of promotion and relegation, it’s unlikely you’ll hear too many of the clubs themselves moaning about that missing opportunity. Instead, there’s just a recognition that this is what soccer in the United States is. While winning the league and moving up isn’t possible, there are other avenues for growth. That includes a path towards joining the top division. FC Cincinnati has lived the limbo life for a season and a half as member of the USL. In that short time, the club is known for two things. Massive crowds and outsized ambition. Propped up by wealthy local ownership and leadership with a history working in Cincinnati sports, FC Cincinnati looked like a team who would never be satisfied being second tier. They turned a friendly against Premier League club Crystal Palace into an event last summer. It was as much a statement of purpose as anything else, showing what they could do in their market. An announced attendance of 35,061 and a claim that it was the biggest crowd ever to watch a soccer game in the state of Ohio. When MLS announced its intention to add four more expansion teams (plus Miami) over the next few years and put in place a committee and schedule for determining which cities would get in, FC Cincinnati leaped into action. Armed with their impressive attendance numbers, the club whose age is best measured in months threw in their lot with eleven other cities. Thanks to the size of their market and the uncertainty over a stadium plan, FC Cincinnati looked like a long shot for MLS expansion. This week is proving pivotal in Cincinnati’s candidacy. First on Monday night, the club unveiled a set of stadium renderings showing what they plan to build as a permanent soccer-specific home when they move into MLS. Months of quiet on the stadium front looked like an ominous sign, especially as cities like St Louis and San Diego were making news and places like Sacramento and San Antonio, didn’t need to do a thing more to get their stadium solutions presentable to the league. It was thought that Cincinnati might stand pat with a college football venue as their planned MLS home, something that might not excite decision-makers at MLS. The Cincinnati plans are audacious. The canopy and sides for the 25,000-seat venue (expandable up to 30,000) involve a translucent material lit using LED lights in any color the team wishes. The overall price tag is $200 million. The aggressive timeline outlined by team president Jeff Berding calls for a 2020 opening. One problem: FC Cincinnati pushes against their boundaries with a big stadium dream in a town that might not have an appetite to help them build it. The club is actively pursuing a public-private partnership to fund construction, and with so much public money going to contemporary stadiums for baseball’s Reds and football's Bengals, it’s not clear if there’s a path to success. It also doesn’t help that there isn’t a location yet identified for the building, though a few different sites are under consideration. It’s probably no coincidence that FC Cincinnati chose to unveil their stadium plans just two days before the team takes on the Columbus Crew in a US Open Cup match. Reports say the club will set an attendance record for a Fourth Round Open Cup clash, adding to the reputation of the Cincinnati area as a latent soccer hotbed ready for Major League Soccer. There’s something of an “audition” feel to the game for FC Cincinnati. Winning on the field and advancing in the Open Cup would be nice. Perhaps the bigger win is to show off their MLS-worthy market with another big crowd against what could one be a geographic rival. It’s not that the business of playing and winning soccer games is exactly secondary for FC Cincinnati. However, they're part of a number of second division teams in the US where game results are only part of the organization’s reasons for being. There’s a bigger goal in mind. Everything the club does comes against the backdrop of proving ready for the major league. Amid the problems in St Louis, San Diego, Charlotte, and elsewhere, Cincinnati stands a good chance of moving up the MLS expansion race pecking order/ Of course, those problems with other expansion bids center around stadium deals. Finished stadiums rarely look like the initial renderings, for a number of reasons. Renderings are not only a best case scenario, but a means by which the club hopes to generate interest and excitement in their project. Getting a green light is first. Building a venue that measures up to the original designs is secondary. FC Cincinnati is making their first big play in creating the buzz they’ll need to forge that public/private partnership that ends with the opening of a new soccer stadium. It will take some time to find out if the move will work. What’s not in doubt it that FC Cincinnati will continue to push against their second division limits while they chase first division status. https://ussoccerplayers.com/2017/06/soccer-game-cincinnati-stadium-mls-expansion-bid.html
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Kolkata, June 14 (IANS) All India Football Federation (AIFF) President Praful Patel’s proposed new competition involving top four teams from the I-League and Indian Super League (ISL) might not see the light of the day. “Yes, it is difficult to accommodate three leagues in the calendar keeping in mind national team commitments next year,” a top official told IANS on Wednesday. India would be taking part in the SAFF Championship next year from May 1-12 and before that national team coach Stephen Constantine is likely to hold a preparation camp. The domestic season is expected to start from the third week of November and run till April, as has been discussed in the AIFF executive committee meeting held in Mumbai last week. According to Patel’s proposal, top eight teams from both the leagues will play in a separate competition from where the top two teams will play in the AFC Champions League play-offs and the AFC Cup. But for that to happen, a minimum of 14 matches needs to be played among the eight sides. It has been learnt that Football Sports Development Limited (FSDL) — the organisers of the ISL — is also not with the AIFF on this proposal. If the top four teams take part in the proposed new competition, I-League clubs will get a shot at representing Asia from India without paying the franchise fee, a sum ISL clubs will have to cough up. This has been a bone of contention and thus the idea has not gone down well with the organisers of the cash-rich ISL. Patel, in a meeting with Kolkata giants East Bengal and Mohun Bagan in New Delhi last week, had promised them of equal mileage in terms of television coverage in the I-League as well. East Bengal and Mohun Bagan have maintained that they won’t be part of the ISL as they would not pay the franchise fee of Rs 15 crore. The two clubs had also demanded that they should be use Kolkata as their home base. The issue of using Kolkata as a home base by Mohun Bagan and East Bengal have grave implications for Atletico de Kolkata — the current ISL representatives from the city — as it will mean that their support base in football-crazy West Bengal will disappear overnight. The ISL has announced the two new teams — a Tata Steel outfit from Jamshedpur and JSW-owned Bengaluru FC — last Monday, virtually closing the door on the traditional heavyweights.
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Re-formed Parma back in Serie B after second straight promotion Parma have returned to Serie B after earning their second straight promotion on Saturday. The club, which won three European titles in the 1990s, defeated Alessandria 2-0 in the Lega Pro playoff final to get back into the Italian second flight. SIAMO IN SERIE B !!! #backtothefuture #parmanontifermare pic.twitter.com/KNjKylqdcc - Parma Calcio 1913 (@1913parmacalcio) June 17, 2017 Parma were relegated from Serie A in 2015 but were sent to the fourth division after running into financial trouble. They re-formed as Parma Calcio 1913 and won the Serie D title last season, and although they could only finish second this year, they made it through a 28-team playoff to earn promotion, capped by Saturday's win. http://www.espnfc.com/parma/story/3145025/re-formed-parma-back-in-serie-b-after-second-straight-promotion
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Getafe's promotion breaks a 16-year-old statistic Updated 25/06/2017 14:14 CEST With Levante and Getafe both winning promotion, this means two of the three teams to come up from the Spanish second division to LaLiga this season were relegated from the top flight just last year. Not since 2000/01 had more than one team has secured an immediate bounce-back promotion, when Real Betis and Sevilla both did so. Real Betis were also the most recent team to achieve the feat, which they did in 2014/15 after another fall from LaLiga. Had Rayo Vallecano also won promotion this year, in Girona's place, then all three relegated teams from 2015/16 would have returned at the first attempt, which would have been historic. Teams to have returned to LaLiga at first attempt this century 14/15: Real Betis 13/14: Deportivo La Coruna 12/13: Villarreal 11/12: Deportivo La Coruna 08/09: Real Zaragoza 04/05: Celta Vigo 02/03: Real Zaragoza 01/02: Racing Santander 00/01: Real Betis and Sevilla http://www.marca.com/en/football/spanish-football/2017/06/25/594f83d8468aebfe0f8b45a9.html
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B team's promotion to second tier offers peek at future for Barcelona BARCELONA -- The football season finally came to an end in Barcelona on Sunday when the B team clinched promotion to the second tier of Spanish football. Gerard Lopez's young side sealed their place in Segunda A with a 4-1 aggregate win against Racing Santander. Does this mean we have a new generation of La Masia talent? Not necessarily. There was a lot of debate last season when a number of players who had come through the academy were allowed to leave to facilitate the arrival of players who the club felt were better equipped (if not necessarily Barca-style players) to help them achieve promotion into the second division. For example, the scorers against Racing -- Marc Cardona and Dani Romera (both 21) -- were brought in from Sanluqueno and Almeria respectively. Impressive defender Marlon Santos, meanwhile, was on loan from Fluminense. Barca have already moved to make that deal permanent. Those signings have served their purpose, but there's a big gap between winning promotion from the third tier of Spanish football to the Blaugrana first team. So there are no future stars in the team? There could be. Marlon is the obvious candidate given his performances for the first team at the end of the season. Looking in-house, there are some encouraging teenagers in the B team as well. Midfielder Carles Alena (19) was very much to Luis Enrique's fancy and trained almost exclusively with the first team in the final months of the season. There are growing calls for the captain and right-back Sergi Palencia (21) to get a chance, too. Further down the line are left-back Marc Cucurella (18) and striker Abel Ruiz (17), who came on as a late substitute in Sunday's game against Racing. It's good news for the club that all these players will be able to play in Segunda A next season, especially after the setback of losing Jordi Mboula to Monaco last week. And what does promotion mean for the first team? In theory, it's great news. Spain's third tier consists of four regionalised divisions and in the kindest possible terms, it can be an absolute slog. It's not the best place to develop players for Barcelona's first team. Having the B team in the second division provides a much better nurturing ground. New manager Ernesto Valverde has suggested he is keen to work closely with the B team, and promotion makes that even more likely. However, with the demands increasingly high and more and more players arriving from elsewhere each year, whether anyone will actually get a prolonged chance to prove themselves in the first team is a different matter entirely. Progression from the B team to the first team was already slowing down the last time the reserves were in the second division. The B team have been in the second division before, then? They have. Since 1970 they've spent 22 seasons in the second tier and their latest promotion means they're back for a sixth time in the 21st century, more than any other reserve team across Spain. Real Madrid, Villarreal, Athletic Bilbao and Sevilla have all had reserve teams in the second division in recent years, but next season only Barca and Sevilla's second strings will be competing in the division. The last time Barca B were promoted to Segunda A -- before their 2015 relegation -- was under Enrique in 2010. Is anyone from that team still at the club? Only Sergi Roberto remains at Camp Nou from the team that won promotion in 2010, but a look around Europe reveals the calibre of players Enrique had at his disposal seven years ago. Thiago Alcantara is perhaps the outstanding player from that side, but Nolito, Marc Muniesa, Marc Barta, Jonathan Soriano, Oriol Romeu, Jonathan Dos Santos and Martin Montota have all gone on to have good careers, too. Is Lopez the right man to help bring through another batch of players like that? That is the question the club have been asking themselves. There are some doubts about Lopez and his style of football at times, but he deserves credit for this promotion. Speaking on Sunday night he said he would meet with Pep Segura -- the head of Barcelona's academy -- on Monday and the expectation is he will remain in charge. However, his work will be more in the spotlight than ever now. While until now his objectives have been primarily results-based, the focus will now, once again, be on developing talent for the second team -- promotion to the top flight is not permitted, since Barca's first team are already there. It's a difficult balance to strike but one he must strive for. http://www.espnfc.com/club/barcelona/83/blog/post/3148753/b-teams-promotion-to-second-tier-offers-peek-at-future-for-barcelona
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Is American soccer missing out on the best feature of the international game? There's a vocal and passionate segment of supporters who believe so, and they've got an ally in Yan Skwara. The United Premier Soccer League commissioner is trumpeting his competition's move this year to promotion-relegation as the first step toward full integration of the many U.S.-based leagues. The promised land is a system by which your neighborhood club could, through years of success at one level and the next, rise from the amateur realm all the way to Major League Soccer. It sounds like fantasy, but dreamers will dream. “I think it's essential that we connect the dots throughout American soccer with the amateur and the professional clubs. We as a league have the opportunity to initiate that process,” said Skwara, whose UPSL has created a two-tier system in its Western and Colorado conferences. “Where it goes in the future, I can't exactly tell you, but I can tell you that a lot of the pro-development-slash-amateur teams want to be connected into a system that allows teams to move up and down. “That's the movement that we've initiated and we are pushing aggressively.” Another 12 to 18 months and you'll see pro-rel in many more markets. We have to keep on beating the drums on what we're beating. - Yan Skwara, UPSL commissioner The UPSL, founded six years ago in Southern California, is a U.S. Amateur Soccer Association-sanctioned Division 4 league, an amateur competition at a similar level as the USL's Premier Development League or the National Premier Soccer League. It's home to La Maquina, which took the LA Galaxy to overtime in last year's U.S. Open Cup, and the L.A. Wolves, coached by Eric Wynalda and featuring several players with MLS or NASL experience. The league has an immense presence in and around Los Angeles, with 36 clubs and counting, and it has expanded across the country over the last few years, into several Western states and, soon, Florida, North Carolina, New York and New Jersey. Sixteen first-year clubs are among 66 competing in this year's spring championship, with another dozen ready to jump in for the fall season or next year. More keep coming, and Skwara says the UPSL is “on track to double in size over the next 12 to 18 months, assuming we continue to grow at the rate we're growing.” Growth brings pro-rel; will pro-rel bring growth?That's essential for promotion-relegation to work. The Western Conference has 18 clubs in both the top-tier Pro Premier Division and second-tier Championship Division. Eight teams are in the Colorado Conference's top tier, with at least four clubs signed up to start play in the second tier in the fall campaign. The plan is to bring promotion-relegation into every conference, once there are enough teams. Skwara thinks anywhere from 10 to 15 teams per division within a conference is workable. “Another 12 to 18 months and you'll see pro-rel in many more markets,” he said. “We have to keep on beating the drums on what we're beating. I think we've set up what we wanted to set up, and now it's just a matter of keeping our foot on the pedal.” Promotion/relegation is underway in the Western Conference, with two clubs set to climb into Pro Premier and two to drop to the Championship when the spring season closes next month. The Colorado Conference will institute pro-rel with the fall season, which begins shortly after the spring's conclusion. Skwara, also the L.A. Wolves' president and general manager, foresees a third division in the Western Conference by next year. “We're getting a lot of inquiries with clubs, especially here in Southern California, who have players who are, frankly, younger – 17, 18, 19 years old – and they want to participate in this process,” he said. “They don't want to participate in a limited-age category. The first thing that popped into mind was, 'here's your Division 3.'” German inspirationSkwara, who grew up in Southern California, came to appreciate the pro-rel system while playing for a lower-level club in West Germany in the 1980s. “You look at the system over there, and the first thing you notice is, wow, there's eight to 10 divisions over there,” he said. “You see the tables in the local newspaper back in the day, fourth- and fifth-division tables, and they have a chance to move up. That whole connection is transparent.” So he's serving as a pied piper for the pro-rel movement, aiming to unite the NASL, USL, PDL, NPSL, and anything else that might be out there. It won't be easy. The UPSL has no plans to rise into the professional ranks – D3 and higher – but “let's see what happens,” Skwara says. “We know who we are and we know who our clubs are, and many of [our] clubs don't even come close to the minimum requirements of Division 3,” he said. “But that doesn't mean that we can't get to where we want to go. What I mean by that is, look, there are teams in our league right now that can compete with Division 2 clubs and Division 1 clubs. So we're not worried about our label. “We're focused on doing it right, and we hope that by doing it right we get the right sanctioning and the right movement from U.S. Soccer and USASA moving forward. Hopefully, there can be some opportunity, some connectivity with some of these other leagues. We hope that just by minding our own business and staying on track with our business model, that it creates a connectivity opportunity at the end of the day to only further promotion-relegation with some of these leagues.” MLS has made it clear it's not interested in the concept, and with entry fees now in nine figures, why would it be? What potential owner is going to pay that kind of cash for a club that might be playing at a lower level next year? Skwara gets it. “I wouldn't, right now, bet on [pro-rel coming to MLS],” he said. “Maybe in 10 to 20 years, but the way they've structured it and the way they keep talking about it, I don't see it in the near future. That's kind of a bummer ... but we've got to start somewhere, and we definitely are excited about the fact that we're in it now and we're monitoring it.” Scott French is a reporter for FourFourTwo. Follow him on Twitter @ScottJFrench.
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Bookmakers make Huddersfield Town favourites for Premier League relegation Bookmakers have Huddersfield Town favourites for Premier League relegation this season but it will be of little concern for David Wagner's odds-defying side. After upsetting them last season to seal SkyBet Championship promotion to the top-flight for the first time in 45 years, pre-season pessimism have priced Town at 4/7 for a swift return. However, in each of the last six Premier League campaigns, the favourites to finish bottom have been relegated just once. LISTEN: The moment Town booked their place in the Premier League More than that, the five teams who beat the odds went on to achieve an average finishing position of 13th. Only Sean Dyche's Burnley in 2014/15 succumbed to bookies' predictions, while Swansea City (11th in 2011/12), Southampton (14th in 2012/13), Crystal Palace (11th in 2013/14), Watford (13th in 2015/16) and Burnley (16th in 2016/17) all defied expectations. Both Brendan Rodgers' Swansea and Nigel Adkins' Southampton took opposition teams by surprise as unknown quantities playing attractive, high pressing football – much in the style of Wagner's men. Burnley's home form last season was widely credited as the reason for their survival with Town hoping a similar sold-out John Smith's Stadium atmosphere can bring similar success this term. WATCH: David Wagner's leads the club's promotion celebrations Meanwhile, Watford's 2015/16 campaign was driven by the goalscoring exploits of Odion Ighalo and Troy Deeney, giving credence to the mantra you need goalscorers to keep you up. Yet Town fans worried by any lack of firepower should take heart from Crystal Palace's 2013/14 campaign. The eagles only scored 33 goals all season as Tony Pulis lifted them from bottom place in November to eventually finish 11. Read More Huddersfield Town latest http://www.examiner.co.uk/sport/football/news/bookmakers-make-huddersfield-town-favourites-13250124
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Hartlepool United Announced Club Restructure Wed 28th Jun 2017 | Clubs Ownership Hartlepool United Chairman, Pam Duxbury has announced the first phase of the club’s restructure following relegation to the National League and subsequent resignation of Gary Coxall. Coxall announced in May that he was stepping down from the club and looking to transfer ownership following a disappointing season which saw the club relegated from the Football League for the first time in their history. In a statement released today, Pam Duxbury, who has been charged with overseeing the sale of the club, said: “I have finalised the sale and transfer of the ownership of Hartlepool United Football Club from JPNG Ltd to HUFC Holdings Ltd. “I would like to assure fans of Hartlepool United Football Club that no payment from the Football Club was made to Gary Coxall. A nominal amount was paid for his shareholding by HUFC Holdings Ltd, funded by Sage Investments Ltd. “HUFC Holdings Ltd is 100% owned by myself and Sage Investments Ltd and Hartlepool United FC no longer has any connection to JPNG Ltd and its former owners. Myself and Sage Investments Ltd are no longer shareholders of JPNG Ltd and I am no longer a director. “To clarify that, for the avoidance of any doubt, there are no longer any links whatsoever between Hartlepool United Football Club and JPNG Ltd or Gary Coxall. “I am currently the sole director of HUFC Holdings Ltd and Hartlepool United FC Ltd. Therefore 99.6% of Hartlepool United FC Ltd is owned by HUFC Holdings Ltd and the remainder by numerous fans with legacy shareholdings.” Now that ownership of the club has been transferred, Pam will seek to shape the club’s ownership which will involve part ownership by the Supporters Trust and other interested parties. “The next stage includes completing the normal year-end audit of the club’s accounts up to 30th June 2017. This will be combined with a detailed audit of the club and should be completed by the end of the summer. “This process will help keep costs to a minimum and increase the efficiency of the engagement with Supporters’ Direct as part of the next phase. “Once the audit is complete, I can then progress with Supporters Direct setting out a three-year vision. This will include achievable targets for the football club and the required investment to do so. A prospectus will be created – with input from the Supporters Trust - to highlight the offer to potential investors. “Any potential investor coming forward will undergo rigorous due diligence and only partners that I feel are reputable, can work positively together and be of benefit to the club and the community will be invited to participate. As part of this process, I expect the debt of the club to be restructured. “If everything goes according to plan, I would anticipate being able to complete this phase by Christmas 2017. As ever, there are unknown factors and there may be delays. However, I will keep fans fully informed during the process. “I plan to construct a balanced board of directors and integrate a formal fan council that will link with the board. I am currently running a fan forum and their support and feedback has been invaluable in helping to make improvements at the club. “This has helped to reinforce the fact that I believe we are now moving in the right direction. I would expect to formalise the fan group into an elected panel that creates the formal link with the board of directors. A nominated representative from this panel will sit on the board. “The last six months have been the most difficult I have ever encountered in my professional career and I am very relieved to be on the other side. Over these past months I have averted the need for the club to go into administration several times. “I could not have done that without the support and backing of Sage Investments Ltd, with whom I have a long standing relationship. I could also not have achieved this result without the unwavering support of my family and friends at home, to whom I am indebted. “Our football club is so important to the people of Hartlepool and there is a great love for it beyond the geographical boundaries. The reputation of the club and its fantastic supporters is recognised across the whole of the footballing community. “I want to shape the club into the football club that the community deserves; with success on the pitch, financial sustainability and accountability. As part of this process I intend to reinstate formal Annual General Meetings and hold regular “talk-ins” with myself and the management team. “As part of my vision for the club, I intend to improve the two-way communication between the club and fans, and fans and club. Open and honest dialogue will be the way in which we conduct ourselves, within the constraints of commercial sensitivities. “I am very much looking forward to getting on with the normal day-to-day business of the football club. I will now be able to make huge strides forward and be able to devote my full attention to the operations of the club now that the purchase is complete. “It is vital to put down the solid foundations to enable us to be promoted to the EFL at the earliest opportunity. I need your support so that I can continue to set these foundations and rebuild the club. I need you to come to our games. “I need you to buy your Season Tickets. We all need you to come and support the team and cheer them on as passionately as you can, and they need to reward you with their effort and performance. I know this is a big ask given the performance on and off the pitch in recent times, however, without you there is no football club. “There is only so much I can do with internal efficiencies, sponsorship and advertising. In time, I want the non-match day income to be able to sustain the football club and match day income to be available to reinvest and develop the club. At this moment in time we are a long way off that being the case. The club was loss making before relegation and we now have an additional £350,000 of lost revenue to make up on top of losses. I am successfully working with sponsors - old and new - to provide sustainable and positive support for the club. “The support from the local business community has been overwhelming and very encouraging. Utility Alliance, in particular, have been a key part of that. “I truly believe we are beginning a new era for Hartlepool United and I am genuinely excited about the future of the club. The support from the National League has been outstanding and I am very much looking forward to the season ahead and can’t wait for us to get started.”
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Is this thread bumped purerly to spite me?
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No.
Articles are relevant to the Australian pro rel question.
Eg the Hartlepool article shows what a relegated club can do.
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+xIs this thread bumped purerly to spite me? It would be funny if it were though. Pro rel for Aus has been inspired largely due to this thread.
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