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Completely wrong.

Their is nothing in Catholic or Christian theology to justify the IRA or holocaust, however the actions of ISIS in terrorism, rape, slavery, philia and murder are fully justified within islamic jurisprudence, the hadiths and the Koran. ISIS go to great lengths to justify their actions by making direct links between their actions and those of their prophet

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http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2009/may/07/muslims-britain-france-germany-homosexuality

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These people have more in common with fascists than those whom they target their hatred toward. (and they are hateful people)

The LGBT activist crowd are the equivalent to the brown shirts of early 1930's Nazi Germany.
Once their purpose has been served they'll be disposed of by the Islamists in a night of long knives.

I'm not disagreeing with that, their faith is intrinsic to their extremism. They are clearly religiously motivated, their intended caliphate would be heavily theocratic and they take inspiration and guidance directly from the Koran and from the sophistry of their leaders. I'm not going to deny the religious aspect of ISIL's actions and motives like many have done.

If only these backed-up bearded desert virgins read the Bible! Their morality would be far more improved. After all, seeing as they take parts of the Koran so literally I can imagine how better it would be if they applied their zeal to Joshua of Nazareth. I'd imagine ISIL taking a liking to passages like: “I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent. (1 Timothy 2:12, said by St Paul, a celebrated early Church figure), or “Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to the good and gentle but also to the cruel.” (1 Peter 2:18), also "You shall not lie with a man as with a woman, it is an abomination" (Leviticus 18:22), another one “This is what the Lord Almighty says... ‘Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.’” (1 Samuel 15:3). Lovely stuff

You say Christian theology didn't justify the IRA: well obviously, I highly doubt the writers of the Bible and the early Church fathers had any understanding of Ireland or the political/social tapestry of the 20th and 21st centuries so their advice would have been outdated or irrelevant.

Also that Holocaust episode: the systematic murder of millions of people clearly and openly (in writing by Hitler, without question) inspired by religious hatred fueled by hundreds of years of anti-semitism that was never, NEVER repudiated by the Catholic Church.

In todays day and age the majority of terrorist activity is being undertaken by radical Muslims, about that there is no doubt. However the geo-political, economic and social factors need to be recognized as well as the religious ones. ISIL didn't emerge out of a membrane from a different reality, they were created by our globalised society. As Carlin once said, "Garbage in, garbage out"

Would that Q&A be coming from irrationality, illogical & non-evidenced based thinking?

what i find mind boggling is that the Chinese, Thais, Hindus, Buddhists, Burmese, Nigerians, Russians, etc seem to have their own struggles with Extremist Muslims as well...I guess that makes them racist or bigots as well

Edited by Socawho: 24/3/2016 05:09:35 PM

And that is the danger that political correctness and SJWs like Quicklflick who use it as a weapon to silence others. You aren't a bigot and want to see a discussion about a serious issue but will be vilified if you voice a reasoned opinion.

However here is where it gets tricky. The healthiest societies have fairly relaxed laws but very high moral standards. So 11.mvfc.11 can post distasteful cartoons as much as he likes. But it's disgusting and it's incumbent upon the rest of us to call him out for it.

You'll noticed I didn't ask for that cartoon to be taken down. I'm not authoritarian. But I think it behoves the rest of us to call it what it is... a disgrace.

nek minnut

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/11/20/40-of-millennials-ok-with-limiting-speech-offensive-to-minorities/

People should be able to say what they want. It is the left that want to censor people to suit their own agenda. They will retort by calling you a racist. But free speech works both ways, this is the area the left always seem to forget.

Just promote freedom of speech.

Evangelical Protestantism
Fourthly (though perhaps not finally), a distinctive process
of globalization is provided by Evangelical Protestantism,
especially in its Pentecostal version (which accounts for
something like 80 percent of its worldwide growth). Its
globalizing force is best seen by comparing it with the
other dynamic religious phenomenon of our time, that of
the Islamic resurgence. While the latter has been limited to
countries that have always been Muslim and to Muslim
diaspora communities, Evangelical Protestantism has
been exploding in parts of the world to which this religious
tradition has always been alien, indeed, mostly unknown.
The most dramatic explosion has occurred in Latin
America (it was magisterially described in David Martin’s
1990 book, Tongues of Fire). But the same variety of
Protestantism has been rapidly growing in East Asia (with
the notable exception of Japan), in all the Chinese
societies (including, despite repression, the People’s
Republic), in the Philippines, the South Pacific, and
throughout sub-Saharan Africa. There are recent, as yet
vague, accounts of an incipient growth in Eastern Europe.
And while the origins of this religion are in the United
States (the "metropolis"), its new incarnations are
thoroughly indigenized and independent of foreign
missionaries or financial support.
Evangelical Protestantism brings about a cultural
revolution in its new territories (in that respect it is very
different from its social function on its American
homeground). It brings about radical changes in the
relations between men and women, in the upbringing and
education of children, in the attitudes toward traditional
hierarchies. Most importantly, it inculcates precisely that
"Protestant ethic" that Max Weber analyzed as an
important ingredient in the genesis of modern capitalism -
a disciplined, frugal, and rationally oriented approach to
work. Thus, despite its indigenization (converts in Mexico
and Guatemala sing American gospel songs in Mayan
translation), Evangelical Protestantism is the carrier of a
pluralistic and modernizing culture whose original location
is in the North Atlantic societies.
It is not clear at this point how this startlingly new
phenomenon relates to the previously enumerated
processes of cultural globalization. It certainly enters into
conflicts with indigenous cultures. Most of the persecution
of Christians recently publicized by human rights
organizations - notably in China, in the Islamic world, and
(sporadically) in Latin America - has been directed against
Evangelical Protestants. What is clear is that this type of
Protestantism is creating a new international culture,
increasingly self-conscious as such (here the relation to
American Evangelicals is relevant), with vast social,
economic, and political ramifications. While the new
Protestantism should not be misunderstood as a
movement of social protest or reform (its motives are
overwhelmingly personal and religious), it has large and
unintended consequences. These are decidedly favorable
to pluralism, to the market economy, and to democracy. It
should be observed here that there may be other
globalizing popular movements, but Evangelicalism is
clearly the most dynamic.

They had the right to publish those cartoons. Nobody has the right to gun them down.

But, still, take a step back. They were being very insensitive to a people who are already very marginalised. And by God this is true, Muslims in France are treated like second-class citizens.

What did I say about healthy societies having relatively relaxed laws but high moral standards?

They lowered the moral standards by mocking Muslims.

Those who carried out (or co-ordinated) the attacks deserve to go to prison for life. But it's fucking stupid and insensitive of others to ridicule Muslims. They didn't deserve what they got. They are innocent victims. I'm not suggesting that is not the case. But it was fucking stupid of them to do it.

They were pouring fuel into a fire.

Everybody has a responsibility to tone it down and treat others the way they would like to be treated.

Don't ridicule, don't denigrate, don't add to the poisonous racist discourse, don't shoot, don't bomb.

So unless we're super nice to Islam and don't call it a violent cult, then Muslims will kill us.

Whereas if we're super nice to Islam and don't offer any critique whatsoever, then Muslims won't kill us.

By golly, what a peaceful people.

The thing is that the Lefties romanticise those horse riding jihadis with a blade riding off into the sunset in the same way they ideologise their cult hero Che Gueverra on T shirts

=d> Reaching for new heights of stupidity, as always. I'm amazed that you know who Che Guevarra is.

It cuts you to the bone you cant respond without insulting him and even less so with your regular account.

So unless we're super nice to Islam and don't call it a violent cult, then Muslims will kill us.

Whereas if we're super nice to Islam and don't offer any critique whatsoever, then Muslims won't kill us.

By golly, what a peaceful people.

You can't argue with stupid.

You're [size=9]a big man hiding behind a multi[/size] and calling someone stupid.

Dr Ben Carson   
Posted: Thursday, March 24, 2016 11:06:14 PM   

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Mate Quickflick must surely be takin the piss, his argument is so ridiculous I'm still laughing from this morning. He changes the goalposts after every post it's so easy for everyone else to find the glaring flaw in his logic. This recent one is the perfect example. Seriously how disgusting is it to insinuate the Charlie hebdo attacks were warranted because of a satire piece of Mohammad, and then to lecture us about freedom of speech? What an idiot. Promoting that trail of thought leads to the destruction of civilisation.


Edited by Dan_The_Red: 24/3/2016 11:02:30 PM