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Pope has booted him from his council lol -PB
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mouflonrouge
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The first jury couldn't convict and he has appealed.
So there is more to play out in this. It isn't over yet.
The Catholic church has made its bed and must lay in it. I am so happy we are not part of the hypocritical Catholics and Anglicans.
Orthodoxy is the one true Church.
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A very high-profile figure was convicted on Tuesday of a serious crime, but we are unable to report their identity due to a suppression order. The person, whose case has attracted significant media attention, was convicted on the second attempt, after the jury in an earlier trial was unable to reach a verdict. They will be remanded when they return to court in February for sentencing. Suppression orders are widely used in Victoria. A suppression order issued by the Victorian County Court, which applies in all Australian states and territories, has prevented any publication of the details of the case including the person's name or the charges. It was imposed after the court accepted that knowledge of the person's identity in the first trial might prejudice a further trial being held in March. It is relatively common in cases where a person faces separate allegations in sequential trials for the first trial to be suppressed. The process is designed not to prejudice later juries. However, in this case, the word has got out widely online and through social media. Google searches for the person's name surged on Wednesday, particularly in Victoria. Two of the top three search results on the suppressed name showed websites that were reporting the charges, the verdict and the identity of the person in full. One of the websites was blocked from viewing by Australian residents, but its content was republished on a number of other sites. On Wednesday afternoon, the person's name was the subject of thousands of tweets. The tweets both named the individual and the charges and posted links to online sites where the information was available. A number of readers contacted us asking why we were not reporting this major issue in the public interest. We, like all media organisations, are required by law to adhere to suppression orders and breaching such a suppression order is taken very seriously by the court, and could lead to charges of contempt of court. Victoria uses more suppression orders than any other jurisdiction in Australia, with the state accounting for more than half of such orders nationally. The wide dissemination of the suppressed information online, however, highlights the challenges of the suppression regime in some high-profile cases of public interest. A year-long review of Victoria's 2013 Open Courts Act by retired judge Frank Vincent called into question the function and efficacy of suppression orders in an internet age. Even if major media organisations were gagged, nothing could prevent a case from being canvassed on social media, blogs and myriad other channels, he said. A view to the contrary is “most likely to represent wishful thinking than reality'', Justice Vincent found, and a “real world” approach is required. Despite this, and the principles of transparent justice enshrined in the Open Courts Act, Victorian judges were “troublingly” issuing as many suppression orders as they ever were. The Vincent report made 18 recommendations, none of which has been implemented by the state government. 
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Carlito
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May he rot in hell
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So does he rot in a cell now for the rest of his life?
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+xThis charade just got blown wide open. Cardinal Pell is back and will be pleading innocent to all charges. Now the ball is in the court of all the accusers and detractors to prove all the"Trial by Media" claims and hyperbole. Now let's be clear. He didn't have to come back at all and defend anything. But it seems his legacy is important to him and it seems he is of the firm belief that he has done NOTHING wrong. So he has done what most thought he would never do because they presumed he was guilty. Well it doesn't work this way and some of you are going to learn a lot about our legal system because of this. He also has one of the most feared and brutal attorneys in Australia. Oh boy the fireworks are going to be spectacular. All funded by The Vatican no doubt at $10,000 per day! oof
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P&R will fix it 2.0
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mouflonrouge
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]You'd imagine the police have some quite serious evidence against him. Not a charge I imagine that would be made with a light heart. The problem could be that the evidence may largely be witness based ... this is always problematic (and simply due to the number of complaints it may have forced the police's hand to bring forth a charge even if they didn't feel they had any concrete evidence). But in any case, these matters will be dissected in Court. And anyone telling any porkies will be ripped to shreds. But as you yourself say, he has lawyers bought with vatican gold and we all know justice can be bought. The truth here will never be clear regardless of which way any verdicts go. I don't think so! The legal system will look at the evidence and a jury will decide whether there is enough to convict Wait, seriously? Money doesn't buy justice? No! I don't think so. Fair enough. I believe you are letting your feelings about this particular case guide your responses so I will leave it there. It should actually concern you too this case. The way the information about cardinal Pell was divulged with all the lies and false statements, you should be asking questions, and perhaps defend his Human Rights. This man has been vilified. I am very happy he has decided to come to Australia. As to the rest of it, we will have to wait and see what evidence the accusers and detractors come up with. But at least he can now defend himself. I spoke solely to the notion that money buys justice. I didn't give my opinion as to his guilt either way. You mean it buys great lawyers. I don't think we are as corrupt to suggest we can buy verdicts and outcomes. Either way, I think the opposing lawyers to Pell, are no slouches either. They are Bull terriers too.
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+xIt's not just the media... Tim Minchin wrote a stupid song about Pell which everyone lapped up. And he hasn't even been charged with anything yet. Perhaps he is guilty, but we don't know yet. Possibly all he did was try and sweep under the carpet the misdeeds of a few priests. I just resent the mob mentality of attacking certain traditional religions- it's like we are back in the 16th century- let's burn someone at the stake! Yes indeed! We are regressing alright. Where is the 18C rule and the Human Rights Commission on this one? AWOL! Obviously, we are not all equal in the eyes of the law.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]You'd imagine the police have some quite serious evidence against him. Not a charge I imagine that would be made with a light heart. The problem could be that the evidence may largely be witness based ... this is always problematic (and simply due to the number of complaints it may have forced the police's hand to bring forth a charge even if they didn't feel they had any concrete evidence). But in any case, these matters will be dissected in Court. And anyone telling any porkies will be ripped to shreds. But as you yourself say, he has lawyers bought with vatican gold and we all know justice can be bought. The truth here will never be clear regardless of which way any verdicts go. I don't think so! The legal system will look at the evidence and a jury will decide whether there is enough to convict Wait, seriously? Money doesn't buy justice? No! I don't think so. Fair enough. I believe you are letting your feelings about this particular case guide your responses so I will leave it there. It should actually concern you too this case. The way the information about cardinal Pell was divulged with all the lies and false statements, Your attitude to the complainants absolutely disgusts me My attitude to the complainants is the best one of all. I support the legal process. Cardinal Pell now has his chance to defend himself, in the flesh and the complainants now have a legal fora to air their complaints and have them scrutinised. Isn't this the best outcome?
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lol so Pell is totes McGoats a great dude even after he shielded and protected child molesters for decades. K. -PB
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]You'd imagine the police have some quite serious evidence against him. Not a charge I imagine that would be made with a light heart. The problem could be that the evidence may largely be witness based ... this is always problematic (and simply due to the number of complaints it may have forced the police's hand to bring forth a charge even if they didn't feel they had any concrete evidence). But in any case, these matters will be dissected in Court. And anyone telling any porkies will be ripped to shreds. But as you yourself say, he has lawyers bought with vatican gold and we all know justice can be bought. The truth here will never be clear regardless of which way any verdicts go. I don't think so! The legal system will look at the evidence and a jury will decide whether there is enough to convict Wait, seriously? Money doesn't buy justice? No! I don't think so. Fair enough. I believe you are letting your feelings about this particular case guide your responses so I will leave it there. It should actually concern you too this case. The way the information about cardinal Pell was divulged with all the lies and false statements, Your attitude to the complainants absolutely disgusts me
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]You'd imagine the police have some quite serious evidence against him. Not a charge I imagine that would be made with a light heart. The problem could be that the evidence may largely be witness based ... this is always problematic (and simply due to the number of complaints it may have forced the police's hand to bring forth a charge even if they didn't feel they had any concrete evidence). But in any case, these matters will be dissected in Court. And anyone telling any porkies will be ripped to shreds. But as you yourself say, he has lawyers bought with vatican gold and we all know justice can be bought. The truth here will never be clear regardless of which way any verdicts go. I don't think so! The legal system will look at the evidence and a jury will decide whether there is enough to convict Wait, seriously? Money doesn't buy justice? No! I don't think so. Fair enough. I believe you are letting your feelings about this particular case guide your responses so I will leave it there. It should actually concern you too this case. The way the information about cardinal Pell was divulged with all the lies and false statements, you should be asking questions, and perhaps defend his Human Rights. This man has been vilified. I am very happy he has decided to come to Australia. As to the rest of it, we will have to wait and see what evidence the accusers and detractors come up with. But at least he can now defend himself. I spoke solely to the notion that money buys justice. I didn't give my opinion as to his guilt either way.
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+x+xYou'd imagine the police have some quite serious evidence against him. Not a charge I imagine that would be made with a light heart. The problem could be that the evidence may largely be witness based ... this is always problematic (and simply due to the number of complaints it may have forced the police's hand to bring forth a charge even if they didn't feel they had any concrete evidence). What they have is some statements. But these people never testified at the Royal Commission. How could you possibly know that ?
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It's not just the media... Tim Minchin wrote a stupid song about Pell which everyone lapped up.
And he hasn't even been charged with anything yet. Perhaps he is guilty, but we don't know yet. Possibly all he did was try and sweep under the carpet the misdeeds of a few priests. I just resent the mob mentality of attacking certain traditional religions- it's like we are back in the 16th century- let's burn someone at the stake!
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]You'd imagine the police have some quite serious evidence against him. Not a charge I imagine that would be made with a light heart. The problem could be that the evidence may largely be witness based ... this is always problematic (and simply due to the number of complaints it may have forced the police's hand to bring forth a charge even if they didn't feel they had any concrete evidence). But in any case, these matters will be dissected in Court. And anyone telling any porkies will be ripped to shreds. But as you yourself say, he has lawyers bought with vatican gold and we all know justice can be bought. The truth here will never be clear regardless of which way any verdicts go. I don't think so! The legal system will look at the evidence and a jury will decide whether there is enough to convict Wait, seriously? Money doesn't buy justice? No! I don't think so. Fair enough. I believe you are letting your feelings about this particular case guide your responses so I will leave it there. It should actually concern you too this case. The way the information about cardinal Pell was divulged with all the lies and false statements, you should be asking questions, and perhaps defend his Human Rights. This man has been vilified. I am very happy he has decided to come to Australia. As to the rest of it, we will have to wait and see what evidence the accusers and detractors come up with. But at least he can now defend himself.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]You'd imagine the police have some quite serious evidence against him. Not a charge I imagine that would be made with a light heart. The problem could be that the evidence may largely be witness based ... this is always problematic (and simply due to the number of complaints it may have forced the police's hand to bring forth a charge even if they didn't feel they had any concrete evidence). But in any case, these matters will be dissected in Court. And anyone telling any porkies will be ripped to shreds. But as you yourself say, he has lawyers bought with vatican gold and we all know justice can be bought. The truth here will never be clear regardless of which way any verdicts go. I don't think so! The legal system will look at the evidence and a jury will decide whether there is enough to convict Wait, seriously? Money doesn't buy justice? No! I don't think so. Fair enough. I believe you are letting your feelings about this particular case guide your responses so I will leave it there.
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+x+x+x+x+xYou'd imagine the police have some quite serious evidence against him. Not a charge I imagine that would be made with a light heart. The problem could be that the evidence may largely be witness based ... this is always problematic (and simply due to the number of complaints it may have forced the police's hand to bring forth a charge even if they didn't feel they had any concrete evidence). But in any case, these matters will be dissected in Court. And anyone telling any porkies will be ripped to shreds. But as you yourself say, he has lawyers bought with vatican gold and we all know justice can be bought. The truth here will never be clear regardless of which way any verdicts go. I don't think so! The legal system will look at the evidence and a jury will decide whether there is enough to convict Wait, seriously? Money doesn't buy justice? No! I don't think so. The courts and the jury will preside over the evidence. The bullshit ends here! If it did, you would win because you guys have the media on your side, violating the Cardinal's Human Rights and presumption of innocence with mass hysteria and fake news. Not to mention Get Up and the Unions. But we are not in Venezuela or Colombia thanks heavens, and the Cardinal should get a fair hearing. But as far as I am concerned, the media outlets in Australia need to front a Royal Commission about their disgusting behaviour.
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+x+x+x+xYou'd imagine the police have some quite serious evidence against him. Not a charge I imagine that would be made with a light heart. The problem could be that the evidence may largely be witness based ... this is always problematic (and simply due to the number of complaints it may have forced the police's hand to bring forth a charge even if they didn't feel they had any concrete evidence). But in any case, these matters will be dissected in Court. And anyone telling any porkies will be ripped to shreds. But as you yourself say, he has lawyers bought with vatican gold and we all know justice can be bought. The truth here will never be clear regardless of which way any verdicts go. I don't think so! The legal system will look at the evidence and a jury will decide whether there is enough to convict Wait, seriously? Money doesn't buy justice?
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+x+x+xYou'd imagine the police have some quite serious evidence against him. Not a charge I imagine that would be made with a light heart. The problem could be that the evidence may largely be witness based ... this is always problematic (and simply due to the number of complaints it may have forced the police's hand to bring forth a charge even if they didn't feel they had any concrete evidence). But in any case, these matters will be dissected in Court. And anyone telling any porkies will be ripped to shreds. But as you yourself say, he has lawyers bought with vatican gold and we all know justice can be bought. The truth here will never be clear regardless of which way any verdicts go. I don't think so! The legal system will look at the evidence and a jury will decide whether there is enough to convict cardinal Pell. Having a whiz bang lawyer will just help Cardinal Pell in defending himself better than let's say a novice lawyer could. I don't know who is paying the legal bill. It could be the Vatican or it could be his thousands of supporters in Australia who see this entire fiasco as a witch hunt. Or it could be the Cardinal. Either way, it's not as if the detractors and their backers are poor. Get Up and the Unions have Billions at their disposal and the dismantling of Christianity seems to be a Socialist objective. If we were Muslims, the very same organisations would be crying foul. But that is ok because this only makes Christianity more powerful among the hard core elements. It could be God sorting the Chaff from the Wheat. Christians are actually fed up being told to not send Christmas cards and such things only bring many closer to our church because they think society has gone bonkers - and it has. We are going from strength to strength. And our brethren is becoming more polarised than ever before and even some are fundamentalists now. All this has been prophesized in the Apocalypse. And many see all of this as the warning signs or prelude.
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+x+xYou'd imagine the police have some quite serious evidence against him. Not a charge I imagine that would be made with a light heart. The problem could be that the evidence may largely be witness based ... this is always problematic (and simply due to the number of complaints it may have forced the police's hand to bring forth a charge even if they didn't feel they had any concrete evidence). But in any case, these matters will be dissected in Court. And anyone telling any porkies will be ripped to shreds. But as you yourself say, he has lawyers bought with vatican gold and we all know justice can be bought. The truth here will never be clear regardless of which way any verdicts go.
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+xYou'd imagine the police have some quite serious evidence against him. Not a charge I imagine that would be made with a light heart. The problem could be that the evidence may largely be witness based ... this is always problematic (and simply due to the number of complaints it may have forced the police's hand to bring forth a charge even if they didn't feel they had any concrete evidence). What they have is some statements. But these people never testified at the Royal Commission. There is no hard evidence at all. Apparently some of the statements directly accuse him of some Sexually Abusive acts. Which I find hard to believe. What I think has occurred is that some people have made some false accusations to muddy the Cardinal's name and also muddy the Catholic Church in the process, thinking that the matters will never go to trial because they believed that Cardinal Pell will never come to Australia. Well, he has come and he is lawyered up and ready to fight. And the public will get to fiund out the truth. But in any case, these matters will be dissected in Court. And anyone telling any porkies will be ripped to shreds.
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You'd imagine the police have some quite serious evidence against him. Not a charge I imagine that would be made with a light heart. The problem could be that the evidence may largely be witness based ... this is always problematic (and simply due to the number of complaints it may have forced the police's hand to bring forth a charge even if they didn't feel they had any concrete evidence).
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This charade just got blown wide open.
Cardinal Pell is back and will be pleading innocent to all charges.
Now the ball is in the court of all the accusers and detractors to prove all the"Trial by Media" claims and hyperbole.
Now let's be clear. He didn't have to come back at all and defend anything. But it seems his legacy is important to him and it seems he is of the firm belief that he has done NOTHING wrong.
So he has done what most thought he would never do because they presumed he was guilty. Well it doesn't work this way and some of you are going to learn a lot about our legal system because of this.
He also has one of the most feared and brutal attorneys in Australia. Oh boy the fireworks are going to be spectacular. All funded by The Vatican no doubt at $10,000 per day!
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+x+xView from the fence wrote:Aikhme wrote:tsf wrote:Aikhme wrote:
George Pell never molested anyone.
You do not know that. Aikhme wrote:
He is accused of either not doing enough or not acting quick enough or both.
He's also accused of covering it up, and transferring priests he knew were kid rapists to other churches, where they then went on to rape more children. Are you now making accusations that he did? If so, there is a burden of proof. Not a case of guilty until proven innocent. Bring the proof and have him charged. And no, he is not being accused of covering things up. They would like to. But he is too smart for them. There's a lengthening list of victims who've come forward to the Royal Commission. The RC are supposed to pass them on to the Feds but, for reasons not known, the RC are still sitting on a proportion of them. The Feds themselves are scrambling to investigate all the info they are getting. Clock is ticking on Pell and a number of others. Gets a bit trickier still when the police themselves get implicated. And the guys that came forward today aren't the ones I know of. Times up George. George Pell: police receive prosecution advice on further sex abuse claimshttps://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/may/17/george-pell-police-receive-prosecution-advice-on-further-sex-abuse-claims?CMP=share_btn_twtick, tock, tick, tock Victoria Police Deputy Commissioner Shane Patton earlier told reporters the charges involved multiple complainants. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-06-29/cardinal-george-pell-charged-sexual-assault-offences/8547668
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+x+xPell is on the brink of kiddy fiddling charges Being reported by SMH Good luck getting him back in the country to stand trial. -PB Apparantly he got tipped off about being charged and the heart condition conveniently stopped him returning
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+xTo the sufferers of sexual & physical abuse by Christians, the symbolism of charging him is most important To the sufferers of sexual & physical abuse, the symbolism of charging him is most important. It's about no-one being above the law.
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To the sufferers of sexual & physical abuse by Christians, the symbolism of charging him is most important
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+xPell is on the brink of kiddy fiddling charges Being reported by SMH Good luck getting him back in the country to stand trial. -PB
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