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BETHFC wrote:Aikhme wrote:BETHFC wrote:Aikhme wrote:MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:But but but witch hunt. Feral media. Etc etc Yes! It has metamorphosed into a Witch Hunt, Spanish Inquisition, by the Leftist Progressives who want to change society. And it will come out in due course! I'm pretty right wing and I want the Catholic Church to squirm over this. No you don't. You want those responsible to squirm. The Catholic Church is an organisation representing over a Billion people. I want the Catholic Church to accept that it has failed as an organisation. This. Doesn't matter if they represent 1 person or a billion. They fucked up, systemically, across the world. -PB
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BETHFC
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Aikhme wrote:BETHFC wrote:Aikhme wrote:MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:But but but witch hunt. Feral media. Etc etc Yes! It has metamorphosed into a Witch Hunt, Spanish Inquisition, by the Leftist Progressives who want to change society. And it will come out in due course! I'm pretty right wing and I want the Catholic Church to squirm over this. No you don't. You want those responsible to squirm. The Catholic Church is an organisation representing over a Billion people. I want the Catholic Church to accept that it has failed as an organisation. It's an organisation that preaches morality and yet it's senior people can't keep their hands off vulnerable children. Nothing more hypocritical than an organisation going against it's own morals, doing nothing when finding out the truth and then doing everything possible to avoid taking responsibility for it.
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Drunken_Fish
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The world will be a much better place when the Roman Catholic Church does not exist.
I used to be Drunken_Fish
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Aikhme
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BETHFC wrote:Aikhme wrote:MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:But but but witch hunt. Feral media. Etc etc Yes! It has metamorphosed into a Witch Hunt, Spanish Inquisition, by the Leftist Progressives who want to change society. And it will come out in due course! I'm pretty right wing and I want the Catholic Church to squirm over this. No you don't. You want those responsible to squirm. The Catholic Church is an organisation representing over a Billion people.
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BETHFC
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Aikhme wrote:MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:But but but witch hunt. Feral media. Etc etc Yes! It has metamorphosed into a Witch Hunt, Spanish Inquisition, by the Leftist Progressives who want to change society. And it will come out in due course! I'm pretty right wing and I want the Catholic Church to squirm over this.
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Aikhme
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Crusader wrote:paladisious wrote:Lots of people get ridiculed for their views, lefties like me included, just look at the comments on any Herald Sun or Fox News article. Crusader, the other poster who is defending Pell in this thread, and I have exchanged all sorts of bants, and he's even a Sydney FC supporter, and yet:  You're willfully misinterpreting people having other views as yours and debating for those views as some sort of persecution, and that this persecution only happens to people on the Right. You said that conservatives are the only people trying to argue, and that all leftists only use ad hominem attacks because they don't have their own argument, and you infer that this never happens the other way around. That is absurd. The claim "Christians don't have a voice" is worthy of ridicule in 2016 Australia, as it is ridiculous. This is not ad hominem, or persecution. Edited by paladisious: 16/5/2016 01:23:52 AM I feel dirty now that Ricey pointed out that I am your token conservative friend. I'm not Ricey, I swear! Look, if it makes you feel better, I can photoshop my photo in the image and say that Pala is my friend! Better still, I can say Sarah Hanson-Young is my token friend by posting an image of her. She's a good sort!  mmmmm ubba ubba..... :lol: Edited by Aikhme: 16/5/2016 11:53:26 PM
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paladisious wrote:Lots of people get ridiculed for their views, lefties like me included, just look at the comments on any Herald Sun or Fox News article. Crusader, the other poster who is defending Pell in this thread, and I have exchanged all sorts of bants, and he's even a Sydney FC supporter, and yet: You're willfully misinterpreting people having other views as yours and debating for those views as some sort of persecution, and that this persecution only happens to people on the Right. You said that conservatives are the only people trying to argue, and that all leftists only use ad hominem attacks because they don't have their own argument, and you infer that this never happens the other way around. That is absurd. The claim "Christians don't have a voice" is worthy of ridicule in 2016 Australia, as it is ridiculous. This is not ad hominem, or persecution. Edited by paladisious: 16/5/2016 01:23:52 AM I feel dirty now that Ricey pointed out that I am your token conservative friend.
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Aikhme
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MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:So sad .so so sad. Here, have a tissue! 
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SocaWho wrote:Eastern Glory wrote:Can we just burn this thread please?
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Eastern Glory wrote:Can we just burn this thread please?
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Can we just burn this thread please?
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MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:So sad .so so sad.
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So sad .so so sad.
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WSF wrote:Aikhme wrote:MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote::lol: if all else fails just use the old your a leftist rant. Poor old ricey I am beyond question when it comes to multis. beyond question and squeaky clean! :cool: Should have been banned by now, shittest multi on here at the moment. You on the other hand are not beyond question. So obviously a multi!
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Aikhme wrote:MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote::lol: if all else fails just use the old your a leftist rant. Poor old ricey I am beyond question when it comes to multis. beyond question and squeaky clean! :cool: Should have been banned by now, shittest multi on here at the moment.
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Aikhme
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MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote::lol: if all else fails just use the old your a leftist rant. Poor old ricey I am beyond question when it comes to multis. beyond question and squeaky clean! :cool:
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Carlito
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:lol: if all else fails just use the old your a leftist rant. Poor old ricey
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MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:Ffa ricey you're pathetic. BTW, your trickery and character assassination attempt is pathetic. That is rule number 3 in the Leftist Handbook of skulduggery! Rule 3: if you can't beat them, character assassinate them. I shall go through the other rules in due course! :lol:
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Carlito
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Ffa ricey you're pathetic.
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Aikhme
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MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:Fuck ricey theres arguing and thens being a bellend because you dont like what people are saying. Face it the catholic church has some explaining to do. And as a catholic i wamt answers. You're arguing that pell: 1) has no right to enjoy a steak, 2) has no right to enjoy a beer, 3) has no right to go for a stroll, 4) has no right to call a sickie because of a bad ticker. Have I got it right so far? :lol: Please send me your Cardiovascular Credentials for me to take you seriously. So who is the bellend? Edited by Aikhme: 16/5/2016 07:56:01 PM
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Carlito
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Fuck ricey theres arguing and thens being a bellend because you dont like what people are saying. Face it the catholic church has some explaining to do. And as a catholic i wamt answers.
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tsf wrote:Aikhme wrote:tsf wrote:Aikhme wrote:
No one has berated any of the victims. That is an outright lie.
The Church has even allocated funds to compensate victims and also offer assistance and cooperation if any of the victims require it, and even the Pope has expressed deep regret.
Sorry, but that is laugably false. In Ireland lawyers were like savage dogs. Now, in Australia the church have begrudgingly offered compensation when there was no room to deny or avoid any longer. Around the world they have not been better. Well they are not going to compensate hearsay. That is absurd! tell me who in the real world would do it? They will only compensate proven instances of wrongdoing. Which takes us back to the original point of getting them to turn up for questioning... Or getting the police to investigate it (which it appears they often refused to do and even it is appearing they engaged in the opposite in ballarat) they never said they won't turn up. They just said that Cardinal Pell is too ill to fly to Australia. How do you guys know this is a lie? Just because he sits down to enjoy a meal, and a beer, or go for a stroll in Rome, is not sufficient enough evidence for me to say he is lieing about his general health and flying to the other side of the planet. Maybe they can Skype him, presuming he is well enough. That is up to his Doctor's to decide. he has as much right to medical care and the maintenance of his well-being as anyone else.
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Aikhme wrote:tsf wrote:Aikhme wrote:
No one has berated any of the victims. That is an outright lie.
The Church has even allocated funds to compensate victims and also offer assistance and cooperation if any of the victims require it, and even the Pope has expressed deep regret.
Sorry, but that is laugably false. In Ireland lawyers were like savage dogs. Now, in Australia the church have begrudgingly offered compensation when there was no room to deny or avoid any longer. Around the world they have not been better. Well they are not going to compensate hearsay. That is absurd! tell me who in the real world would do it? They will only compensate proven instances of wrongdoing. Which takes us back to the original point of getting them to turn up for questioning... Or getting the police to investigate it (which it appears they often refused to do and even it is appearing they engaged in the opposite in ballarat)
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MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:But but but witch hunt. Feral media. Etc etc Yes! It has metamorphosed into a Witch Hunt, Spanish Inquisition, by the Leftist Progressives who want to change society. And it will come out in due course!
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tsf wrote:Aikhme wrote:
No one has berated any of the victims. That is an outright lie.
The Church has even allocated funds to compensate victims and also offer assistance and cooperation if any of the victims require it, and even the Pope has expressed deep regret.
Sorry, but that is laugably false. In Ireland lawyers were like savage dogs. Now, in Australia the church have begrudgingly offered compensation when there was no room to deny or avoid any longer. Around the world they have not been better. Well they are not going to compensate hearsay. That is absurd! tell me who in the real world would do it? They will only compensate proven instances of wrongdoing.
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View from the fence wrote:Aikhme wrote:tsf wrote:Aikhme wrote:
George Pell never molested anyone.
You do not know that. Aikhme wrote:
He is accused of either not doing enough or not acting quick enough or both.
He's also accused of covering it up, and transferring priests he knew were kid rapists to other churches, where they then went on to rape more children. Are you now making accusations that he did? If so, there is a burden of proof. Not a case of guilty until proven innocent. Bring the proof and have him charged. And no, he is not being accused of covering things up. They would like to. But he is too smart for them. There's a lengthening list of victims who've come forward to the Royal Commission. The RC are supposed to pass them on to the Feds but, for reasons not known, the RC are still sitting on a proportion of them. The Feds themselves are scrambling to investigate all the info they are getting. Clock is ticking on Pell and a number of others. Gets a bit trickier still when the police themselves get implicated. Nothing wrong with people coming forward. I am all for it. There is an investigation process to take place. Just because people come forward doesn't make the claims true. They need to be proven.
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But but but witch hunt. Feral media. Etc etc
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Joffa wrote:#He's eating a steak and therefore he must be guilty. It's nothing to do with guilt, and everything to do with honesty.
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Aikhme wrote:BETHFC wrote:Aikhme wrote:
That is something they can't do. They will however cooperate with inquiries and any legal process over the wrongdoings of some clergy within its ranks, like any employer would.
If a couple of Bankers within the Commonwealth Bank defrauded their clients against Commonwealth processes and policies or were involved in corruption, it doesn't mean the entire Commonwealth Bank is dirty.
They have to. When BP spilled oil into the Gulf of Mexico they had to accept responsibility. The church doesn't have the luxury of avoiding negative press when it's senior members (people who should know better) failed to act. These people represent the church and thus the church must accept responsibility as an organisation that failed it's responsibility to the communities most vulnerable members (children). But that's different in my opinion. A Corporation was deliberately cutting corners or not putting control measures in place resulting in this ecological catastrophe. Having a couple of priests or employees break laws on their own accord is not the same thing. There you go. The responsibility of adequately grouting the well is the responsibility of a few people. Same as the church instance.
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