You're moving so many goalposts, hoping I won't bother keeping up with them all and give up. We're not "discussing many issues right now", and I won't watch your video of Bill Shorten.

Claims right wingers are being persecuted because they are "called names" and then has a go at my gut, even though I never once went ad hominem on him. Shameful cowardice on your part, Aikhme.

"We are not allowed to offend." Complains when people calling out Pell's hypocrisy offends him. :lol:

Edited by paladisious: 16/5/2016 02:20:42 AM

:lol: ricey you're a laugh

Sure the Right ridicules the Left. And the Left ridicules the Right.

But that's not what I am talking about.



Typical straw man argument.

It's like a racist posting a picture of himself with a Black guy and then saying something like: "I'm not racist because I have a Black friend"

Btw, you have a beer gut. You need to hit the gym! :lol:



No not exactly. I am talking about PC and all its dimensions.

We are discussing many issues right now, from Marriage Equality, to Safe Schools and Gender Fluidity. We are discussing all kinds of things such as terrorism and walking on egg shells so as to not state the obvious that all terrorists seem to be coming from the Islamic Faith in case we offend the majority. We are not allowed to say the bleating obvious anymore. We are not allowed to offend. Anyone who gives an alternative view against Marriage Equality, Terrorism, Gender Fluidity and Safe Schools and other self proclaimed "progressive" issues such as Climate Change is in fact ridiculed and their reputations crucified, especially on the MSM and Social Media.

People are not discussing. They are insulting and name-calling.



Don't exaggerate. They obviously have a voice, but they are being ridiculed, teased, called all kinds of names, and that makes people hide in their shells. PC is actually stifling free speech. People do not feel as free to speak their mind anymore. If you do, and disagree with the Left on specific issues then watch out.

Those for are having their say, but also trying to silence those against. And they are achieving success.

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Edited by Aikhme: 16/5/2016 02:42:28 AM

Personally, I hope he eats his steak medium rare. If he's one of those cunts that order it well done, I hope he gets shot with a bazooka in the balls.

Lots of people get ridiculed for their views, lefties like me included, just look at the comments on any Herald Sun or Fox News article.

Crusader, the other poster who is defending Pell in this thread, and I have exchanged all sorts of bants, and he's even a Sydney FC supporter, and yet:



You're willfully misinterpreting people having other views as yours and debating for those views as some sort of persecution, and that this persecution only happens to people on the Right. You said that conservatives are the only people trying to argue, and that all leftists only use ad hominem attacks because they don't have their own argument, and you infer that this never happens the other way around.

That is absurd.

The claim "Christians don't have a voice" is worthy of ridicule in 2016 Australia, as it is ridiculous. This is not ad hominem, or persecution.

Edited by paladisious: 16/5/2016 01:23:52 AM

Sure I am free to continue.

But you haven't called me any names yet either, but that is not say it doesn't happen. I have been called many names because I put forward an alternative viewpoint.

You did ridicule me though. You said my viewpoint is absurd! Why? Why is my opinion so absurd and yours so valid?

Because you disagree? Disagree by all means. My views disagree with other people's views. It's not a problem. But why the ridicule and why is my view any less than yours or absurd as you put it? Where is the science that say's I am wrong or that my views are absurd?

Edited by Aikhme: 16/5/2016 12:47:34 AM

Yes the conservatives are trying to put an argument forward, and the "progressives" are ridiculing them and calling them names because they can't handle opposition.

That is not disagreeing and promoting sensible debate over the issues.

Case in point: I could "shut down" this debate with one click, and yet here you are, free to continue.

Edited by paladisious: 16/5/2016 12:34:34 AM

Nobody's being silenced, people are just disagreeing with the people you name and you're crying persecution.

Tell me how I am wrong!

When the Christian lobbies or conservatives speak out against Marriage Equality or safe Schools, they are abused and called every name under the sun.

Everywhere, debates get shut down, people are being silenced out of fear of being labelled as bigots, zealots, neocons, homophobes, neanderthals, and more. It is an emotionally charged non debate because the other side is being ridiculed and insulted.

Political Correctness is out of control, and IS the means by which people and organisations are being silenced.

One day, you will all find your balls and make a stand before you all turn to a bunch of Left Wing emancipated fairies so eager to please everybody.



Edited by Aikhme: 16/5/2016 12:35:14 AM

If you say something as absurd as:



You have every right to have your opinion taken the piss out of.

If you could identify anyone who's freedom of speech has been curtailed in this episode that you are defending, I'd love to know.

Edited by paladisious: 16/5/2016 12:07:37 AM

Not me!

I'm an Orthodox but an Atheist really.

But I will stand up and defend everyone's freedoms and rights to free speech.

Help, help! He's being repressed!

Oh dear.

Look, I have no issue with getting to the bottom of all this.

Clearly, some people were sexually abused by persons in positions of trust, whether that be the Catholic Church or other schools etc.

Bring the culprits to justice. Pay compensation to the victims, and substantial compensation. Pay for their rehabilitation and other medical expenses.

But, this has been hijacked and turned into a vendetta and witch hunt against the Catholic Church. Institutions are being attacked. the foundations are being torn down. Christians are denied a voice.

Why? Because the Left has its agenda, Gender Fluidity, Marriage Equality, and down the track, even Paedophilia will be accepted as there will be an argument that Pedophiles are born that way so it can't be their fault.

In order for the Left to get their way, without an opposing voice, they need to decimate Churches. Become secular, and then they will turn their eye over to the social fabric.

That is the way I see it.



Edited by Aikhme: 15/5/2016 11:49:43 PM

What because he had a steak? :lol: :lol:

Are you guys ok? :lol:

You're all for due process now, but were defending him for obviously lying to avoid it last page. :lol:

Are you now making accusations that he did?

If so, there is a burden of proof. Not a case of guilty until proven innocent.

Bring the proof and have him charged.

And no, he is not being accused of covering things up. They would like to. But he is too smart for them.

Edited by Aikhme: 15/5/2016 10:23:47 PM

You do not know that.



He's also accused of covering it up, and transferring priests he knew were kid rapists to other churches, where they then went on to rape more children.



Edited by tsf: 15/5/2016 08:04:49 PM

Feral media, the newest buzzwords for ET.

-PB

That's not the only thing that is small! :lol:

:lol: I have the world's smallest violin. :-({|=

This is nothing more than a Christian witch hunt in itself.

George Pell never molested anyone. He is accused of either not doing enough or not acting quick enough or both.

But you would never know it if you read the feral media.

Can't have your steak and eat it, too:



Apparently about a quarter of Nigeria's Christians are Catholic.

Back in the day? Thousands of people are still murdered every year after being accused of witchcraft, usually by burning. Thankfully it doesn't happen in countries where the Catholic Church has shaped society. Judging the Catholic Church on incidents from hundreds of years ago is not as accurate a measure of its value as judging it by standards in parts of the world where it has influence as opposed to those where it does not.

Edited by Crusader: 15/5/2016 05:58:57 PM

I think you'll find that it was his lot that actually did the witch hunting, back in the day. :lol:

Pell isn't accused of molesting children, but being too slow to act upon complaints of pedophiles, despite the fact that he was the first to launch an investigation into pedophile priests. That was also his third appearance before the inquiry.

Don't let the facts get in the way of your witch hunt.

Love this piece of satire from Mad as Hell this week :lol: (starts about 10 seconds in)
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#He's eating a steak and therefore he must be guilty.

The commission accepted his medical reasons for not attending - the question is whether those reasons were valid. The fact that he's eating steak and chips whilst drinking beer brings into question the validity of his medical claims. Makes no difference in a legal sense, but from an honesty and integrity point of view it brings up a few issues. That said, this is the man who said, under oath, that the abuse of children by a priest in his parish wasn't of any interest to him - so the health of his heart isn't really the major issue - I would say whether he has a heart at all is more to the point.