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+x+x+xFootball NSW 34 mins ago We've just had our 100th entry in the Westfield @FFACup for 2017! If your team wants to apply, here's the info: https://t.co/9bQ4QGn3gJ Any idea why Cup entry in FNSW is so pathetic? They supposedly have the highest participation number by a huge margin but are dwarfed by FFV in terms of Cup entries. FFV have 191 current entries for the Cup and FNSW have only just got to 100, only 130 total last year. Is it time to consider taking that 5th spot from FNSW if they can't get their Cup entries up to an acceptable level. NSW is pathetic. Period. They do, however have another month to stump up 30 clubs plus but, yes, I do agree with you. I'd say there's a number of factors. But the biggest ones are: - size and spread of clubs part of FNSW compared to Vic - NNSW being separate - the football pyramid being very different up here In Vic you have a clear pyramid from the NPL down to the provisional leagues. Up here you've got NPL 1, 2, 3 and State League 1. That's where the pyramid ends. The majority of those clubs are in the Sydney metro area due to travel. The rest is just local districts. So basically what you get is the clubs in those top 4 divisions registering and some premier leauge sides from the local Sydney metro districts. If local club X doesnt send their Prems, their Div 4 side probably doesnt even realise they could register if they wanted to. Clubs from the Southern, Western and Riverina branches are unlikely to enter as it means a round trip of 10 hours+ for many of them
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+x+x+x+xFootball NSW 34 mins ago We've just had our 100th entry in the Westfield @FFACup for 2017! If your team wants to apply, here's the info: https://t.co/9bQ4QGn3gJ Any idea why Cup entry in FNSW is so pathetic? They supposedly have the highest participation number by a huge margin but are dwarfed by FFV in terms of Cup entries. FFV have 191 current entries for the Cup and FNSW have only just got to 100, only 130 total last year. Is it time to consider taking that 5th spot from FNSW if they can't get their Cup entries up to an acceptable level. NSW is pathetic. Period. They do, however have another month to stump up 30 clubs plus but, yes, I do agree with you. I'd say there's a number of factors. But the biggest ones are: - size and spread of clubs part of FNSW compared to Vic - NNSW being separate - the football pyramid being very different up here In Vic you have a clear pyramid from the NPL down to the provisional leagues. Up here you've got NPL 1, 2, 3 and State League 1. That's where the pyramid ends. The majority of those clubs are in the Sydney metro area due to travel. The rest is just local districts. So basically what you get is the clubs in those top 4 divisions registering and some premier leauge sides from the local Sydney metro districts. If local club X doesnt send their Prems, their Div 4 side probably doesnt even realise they could register if they wanted to. Clubs from the Southern, Western and Riverina branches are unlikely to enter as it means a round trip of 10 hours+ for many of them So why don’t more local association clubs enter the cup? FNSW (NNSW are irrelevant) has control of about 520 individual men’s all-age clubs (not teams). FFV only controls about 280. Shouldn’t FNSW make it more attractive for these clubs to want to enter. Is retaining the Bill Cullinan Cup separate from the Waratah Cup a problem that is leading to this lack of FFA Cup entry? It looks like 38 eligible clubs entered the Bill Cullinan Cup only and not the FFA Cup as well last year. The Western, Southern and Riverina clubs should also be encouraged. Possibly with regional qualifying. The distance argument doesn’t really hold up as in WA we have clubs from Kalgoorlie, Albany and Geraldton, SA have clubs from Mount Gambier, Vic has clubs from Mildura and Warrnambool. All of these places are a long way from their capitals, further then places like Bathurst, the Southern Highlands, Blue Mountains, Shoalhaven. As an ex-Riverina player I know the problems of travel for cup and rep games, but there has to be a way to encourage country entry in NSW. And you’re a 50-50 chance of snagging a home tie anyway. I just took a look at the cost involved. FNSW charge $330 for a non-NPL club to enter the FFA Cup. FFV subsidise this so that the cost is only $110 for clubs below the NPL.
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+x+x+x+x+xFootball NSW 34 mins ago We've just had our 100th entry in the Westfield @FFACup for 2017! If your team wants to apply, here's the info: https://t.co/9bQ4QGn3gJ Any idea why Cup entry in FNSW is so pathetic? They supposedly have the highest participation number by a huge margin but are dwarfed by FFV in terms of Cup entries. FFV have 191 current entries for the Cup and FNSW have only just got to 100, only 130 total last year. Is it time to consider taking that 5th spot from FNSW if they can't get their Cup entries up to an acceptable level. NSW is pathetic. Period. They do, however have another month to stump up 30 clubs plus but, yes, I do agree with you. I'd say there's a number of factors. But the biggest ones are: - size and spread of clubs part of FNSW compared to Vic - NNSW being separate - the football pyramid being very different up here In Vic you have a clear pyramid from the NPL down to the provisional leagues. Up here you've got NPL 1, 2, 3 and State League 1. That's where the pyramid ends. The majority of those clubs are in the Sydney metro area due to travel. The rest is just local districts. So basically what you get is the clubs in those top 4 divisions registering and some premier leauge sides from the local Sydney metro districts. If local club X doesnt send their Prems, their Div 4 side probably doesnt even realise they could register if they wanted to. Clubs from the Southern, Western and Riverina branches are unlikely to enter as it means a round trip of 10 hours+ for many of them So why don’t more local association clubs enter the cup? FNSW (NNSW are irrelevant) has control of about 520 individual men’s all-age clubs (not teams). FFV only controls about 280. Shouldn’t FNSW make it more attractive for these clubs to want to enter. Is retaining the Bill Cullinan Cup separate from the Waratah Cup a problem that is leading to this lack of FFA Cup entry? It looks like 38 eligible clubs entered the Bill Cullinan Cup only and not the FFA Cup as well last year. The Western, Southern and Riverina clubs should also be encouraged. Possibly with regional qualifying. The distance argument doesn’t really hold up as in WA we have clubs from Kalgoorlie, Albany and Geraldton, SA have clubs from Mount Gambier, Vic has clubs from Mildura and Warrnambool. All of these places are a long way from their capitals, further then places like Bathurst, the Southern Highlands, Blue Mountains, Shoalhaven. As an ex-Riverina player I know the problems of travel for cup and rep games, but there has to be a way to encourage country entry in NSW. And you’re a 50-50 chance of snagging a home tie anyway. I just took a look at the cost involved. FNSW charge $330 for a non-NPL club to enter the FFA Cup. FFV subsidise this so that the cost is only $110 for clubs below the NPL. Why dont more association clubs enter? I dunno, that's a question for the clubs. I just think a lot of it is cultural. I dont think there was ever huge association club entry into the Waratah Cup - at least not in the 10 or so years that I've been following it closely. Whereas the Dockerty Cup has always had significant entries from the provisional clubs. In regards to regional clubs - as above. I wouldnt have a clue why more of them dont participate. Dont know whether that's down to FNSW not doing enough or the clubs not being interested. I'd say the answer lies somewhere inbetween. Would be interesting to do an analysis of regional sides from state to state to see how they compare I'm not defending FNSW here. Just tried to come up with a few factors impacting participation.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xFootball NSW 34 mins ago We've just had our 100th entry in the Westfield @FFACup for 2017! If your team wants to apply, here's the info: https://t.co/9bQ4QGn3gJ Any idea why Cup entry in FNSW is so pathetic? They supposedly have the highest participation number by a huge margin but are dwarfed by FFV in terms of Cup entries. FFV have 191 current entries for the Cup and FNSW have only just got to 100, only 130 total last year. Is it time to consider taking that 5th spot from FNSW if they can't get their Cup entries up to an acceptable level. NSW is pathetic. Period. They do, however have another month to stump up 30 clubs plus but, yes, I do agree with you. I'd say there's a number of factors. But the biggest ones are: - size and spread of clubs part of FNSW compared to Vic - NNSW being separate - the football pyramid being very different up here In Vic you have a clear pyramid from the NPL down to the provisional leagues. Up here you've got NPL 1, 2, 3 and State League 1. That's where the pyramid ends. The majority of those clubs are in the Sydney metro area due to travel. The rest is just local districts. So basically what you get is the clubs in those top 4 divisions registering and some premier leauge sides from the local Sydney metro districts. If local club X doesnt send their Prems, their Div 4 side probably doesnt even realise they could register if they wanted to. Clubs from the Southern, Western and Riverina branches are unlikely to enter as it means a round trip of 10 hours+ for many of them So why don’t more local association clubs enter the cup? FNSW (NNSW are irrelevant) has control of about 520 individual men’s all-age clubs (not teams). FFV only controls about 280. Shouldn’t FNSW make it more attractive for these clubs to want to enter. Is retaining the Bill Cullinan Cup separate from the Waratah Cup a problem that is leading to this lack of FFA Cup entry? It looks like 38 eligible clubs entered the Bill Cullinan Cup only and not the FFA Cup as well last year. The Western, Southern and Riverina clubs should also be encouraged. Possibly with regional qualifying. The distance argument doesn’t really hold up as in WA we have clubs from Kalgoorlie, Albany and Geraldton, SA have clubs from Mount Gambier, Vic has clubs from Mildura and Warrnambool. All of these places are a long way from their capitals, further then places like Bathurst, the Southern Highlands, Blue Mountains, Shoalhaven. As an ex-Riverina player I know the problems of travel for cup and rep games, but there has to be a way to encourage country entry in NSW. And you’re a 50-50 chance of snagging a home tie anyway. I just took a look at the cost involved. FNSW charge $330 for a non-NPL club to enter the FFA Cup. FFV subsidise this so that the cost is only $110 for clubs below the NPL. Why dont more association clubs enter? I dunno, that's a question for the clubs. I just think a lot of it is cultural. I dont think there was ever huge association club entry into the Waratah Cup - at least not in the 10 or so years that I've been following it closely. Whereas the Dockerty Cup has always had significant entries from the provisional clubs. In regards to regional clubs - as above. I wouldnt have a clue why more of them dont participate. Dont know whether that's down to FNSW not doing enough or the clubs not being interested. I'd say the answer lies somewhere inbetween. Would be interesting to do an analysis of regional sides from state to state to see how they compare I'm not defending FNSW here. Just tried to come up with a few factors impacting participation. Then entrants into the big dance need to be restricted until the issue is rectified. It seems its an issue that comes up time and rime again with state associations and rebel clubs Encourage conforming or no more teams in the 36.
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Syd Cro is spot on about everything.
Just cant wait until the draw, praying we get a easier one this time round lol.
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FFA Cup - Far North Coast NSW,
Round 1: weekend of February 17/18/19
Round 2: midweek of April 11/12
Round 4: weekend of May 12/13/14
Round 5: weekend of May 12/13/14
http://footballfarnorthcoast.com.au/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/02/2017-FFNC-PROPOSED-Calendar.pdf
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I hope Chelsea can win one game in qualifying, don't think they've managed one in previous editions.
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Far North Coast - round 1 kickoff times,
Friday February 17th:
7.00pm Lennox Head FC v Bangalow SC
7.00pm Alstonville FC v Ballina SC
Sunday February 19th:
4.00pm Tintenbar East Ballina FC v Italo Stars FC
5.00pm Lismore Thistles SC v Byron Bay FC
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Westfield FFA Cup - Victorian preliminaries Q2 travel distances:
JC Donath Reserve to Edithvale Recreation Reserve – 44.0km one way
Savoy Park to South Wangaratta Reserve – 49.8km one way
Scovell Reserve to Hillsview Recreation Reserve – 41.9km one way
Lois Twohig Reserve to Skinner Reserve – 57.5km one way
James Reserve to Lara Recreation Reserve – 74.5km one way
Deakin University Field to Dendy Park – 94.0km one way
Kelly Park to Trinity Sports Ground – 317km one way
Jack Edwards Reserve to Gladstone Park Reserve – 54.0km one way
Greaves Reserve to Bellbird Park – 69.0km one way
Anderson Reserve to Springside Recreational Reserve – 22.9km one way
Bailey Reserve to Barkly Square – 120km one way
Cardinia Recreation Reserve to Maribyrnong Reserve – 78.5km one way
Capital Reserve to Lyndale Secondary College – 12.3km one way
Wallace Reserve to Wendouree West Recreation Reserve – 122km one way
Laverton Park Reserve to JC Donath Reserve – 49.1km one way
Latrobe City Sports Stadium to Park Ridge Reserve – 135km one way
Broadford Secondary College to Somerville Secondary College – 155km one way
Dixon Field Reserve to Epsom Huntly Recreation Reserve – 109km one way
Bunyip Recreation Reserve to Henshilwood Park Reserve – 629km one way
RMIT Bundoora Sports Centre to IW Dole Reserve – 6.2km one way
APEX Park to Sycamore Reserve – 246km one way
Victoria Park (Ballarat) to Mt Lilydale Sporting Complex – 162km one way
Bob Skilton Oval to Carlson Avenue Reserve – 16.9km one way
Prospect Hill Reserve to Morrison Reserve – 48.7km one way
Ross Reserve to Chelsworth Park – 44.4km one way
Green Gully Reserve to Mentone Grammar Senior School – 50.3km one way
Fairbairn Park to Howard Dawson Reserve – 21.4km one way
Seth Raistrick Reserve to Caloola Reserve – 56.2km one way
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Lighting Requirements for Westfield FFA Cup Preliminary Round Fixtures – Victoria:
State League v State League (100 lux)
State League vs PS4 NPL (100 lux)
PS4 NPL v PS4 NPL (200 lux)
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+xWestfield FFA Cup - Victorian preliminaries Q2 travel distances: JC Donath Reserve to Edithvale Recreation Reserve – 44.0km one way Savoy Park or Newhaven Recreation Reserve to South Wangaratta Reserve – 49.8km or 383km one way, Savoy Park or Newhaven Recreation Reserve to John McEwen Reserve – 148km or 328km one way, Scovell Reserve to Hillsview Recreation Reserve – 41.9km one way Lois Twohig Reserve to Skinner Reserve – 57.5km one way James Reserve to Lara Recreation Reserve – 74.5km one way Deakin University Field to Dendy Park – 94.0km one way Lord Reserve or Kelly Park to Trinity Sports Ground –15.2km or 317km one way Jack Edwards Reserve to Gladstone Park Reserve – 54.0km one way Greaves Reserve to Bellbird Park – 69.0km one way Anderson Reserve to Springside Recreational Reserve – 22.9km one way Bailey Reserve to Barkly Square – 120km one way Cardinia Recreation Reserve to Maribyrnong Reserve –78.5km one way Capital Reserve to Lyndale Secondary College – 12.3km one way Wallace Reserve to Harris Street Reserve or Wendouree West Recreation Reserve – 122km or 272km one way Laverton Park Reserve to JC Donath Reserve – 49.1km one way Russell Square or Latrobe City Sports Stadium to Park Ridge Reserve – 135km or 144km one way Broadford Secondary College to Somerville Secondary College – 155km one way Dixon Field Reserve to Epsom Huntly Recreation Reserve or Brandon Park Reserve – 88.7km or 109km one way Bunyip Recreation Reserve to Jones Oval or Henshilwood Park Reserve – 334km or 629km one way RMIT Bundoora Sports Centre to IW Dole Reserve – 6.2km one way Tatura Park or APEX Park to Sycamore Reserve – 163km or 246km one way Victoria Park (Ballarat) to Victoria Park (Daylesford) or Mt Lilydale Sporting Complex – 162km or 200km one way Bob Skilton Oval to Carlson Avenue Reserve – 16.9km one way Prospect Hill Reserve to Morrison Reserve – 48.7km one way Ross Reserve to Chelsworth Park – 44.4km one way Green Gully Reserve to Mentone Grammar Senior School –50.3km one way Fairbairn Park to Howard Dawson Reserve – 21.4km one way Seth Raistrick Reserve to Caloola Reserve – 56.2km one way Holy shit. That's huge.
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2017 Westfield FFA Cup First Qualifying Round – Victoria section kickoff times,
Friday February 10th:
7.00pm Tatura v Cobram Roar
Saturday February 11th:
3.00pm Forest Rangers v Warrnambool Wolves
3.00pm Falcons 2000 v Ballarat North United
4.00pm Twin City Wanderers v Glen Eira
6.00pm Victoria Park v Daylesford & Hepburn United
6.30pm Myrtleford Savoy v Phillip Island Breakers
7.00pm Waverley Victory v Epsom
Sunday February 12th:
11.00am Irymple Knights v Warrnambool Rangers
2.00pm Shepparton South v Wangaratta City
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+x2017 Westfield FFA Cup First Qualifying Round – Victoria section kickoff times, Friday February 10th: 7.00pm Tatura v Cobram Roar Saturday February 11th: 3.00pm Forest Rangers v Warrnambool Wolves 3.00pm Falcons 2000 v Ballarat North United 4.00pm Twin City Wanderers v Glen Eira 6.00pm Victoria Park v Daylesford & Hepburn United 6.30pm Myrtleford Savoy v Phillip Island Breakers 7.00pm Waverley Victory v Epsom Sunday February 12th: 11.00am Irymple Knights v Warrnambool Rangers 2.00pm Shepparton South v Wangaratta City Carn the Tat rats
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Vic Park is from Ballarat
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+xVic Park is from Ballarat Cheers.
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FFV - round 1 FFA Cup draw:
now Monday February 20th time TBC
clubs involved (44) forty four round 1 fixtures will have only 48 to 72 hours after the draw to confirm the date, venue, and kickoff time.
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Any news on when the draws for the other federations will be announced?
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have the Sydney club draws been announced ? sorry if so in advance.
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Obrigado :)
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I wonder if heat policies will be in place this weekend. I was going to go to the Twin City Wanderers vs Glen Eira game but it will be 40 degrees at kick off.
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yep, going to be a "cooking" weekend ! Anything near on 40deg should be cancelled.
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+xyep, going to be a "cooking" weekend ! Anything near on 40deg should be cancelled. Games will be cancelled if its too hot. Football NSW sent an email to all the clubs. Our youth got their games against Manly called off on Sunday. The seniors still played after the temperature dropped.
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First game of the FFA Cup from Football QLD.
Narangba United SC 1 vs 2 Pine Rivers FC
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probably not just grabbed the result from the ffa cup website
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