No i never said return to your mothers vagina. 

But lets try again.... where were you born ardtho? 

good

Bulgarian? Or rom?

did you ever take it up the ass in a Spartan ritual, and yell 300 will never die?

croatia

Swear pauly was bullied by greeks at school or something

This is the Australian league. A lot of you people argue that Wellington shouldn't be a part of our league. So why should we be letting any other nationalities in? Teams should be entirely geographical. 

australia is multicultural

I don't understand the fuss. If your criteria for supporting a football team is that it matches your parents or grandparents nationalism then go for it, no one is stopping you. Wave the flag, chant, do whatever you like, no one is saying you shouldn't so there is no need to get defensive. Just understand that the HAL is set up like a business, it is driving to get as many bums on seats and people chatting about the game on Monday morning at work etc and is doing pretty damn well if compared to what was there before. The nsl was a basket case, it had its chance and turned huge amounts of the populace off. Trying to bring parts of it back is not something a business person would do, because it proved itself to be a losing model, even if the Hal has massive issues right now it is still massively bigger than the nsl was. There are now people going to games and talking about the game that would never in the past, and it is clear that even if there are people abandoning the Hal for their favorite old nsl team because the Hal is too plastic they are being outweighed by people getting excited about the Hal, but that doesn't matter. Just go support your team whatever league they are in, no amount of Internet banter is going to change the Ffa opinions on this

Agree. Wellington are a foreign club, and smfc are an australian club. They come from the southern part of melbourne. Thats the point.

What happened to your accent? Maybe you didnt crawl out of a balkan swamp after all.

nothing wrong in crawling out of a swamp...whats is wrong is wanting to bring every one back to the swamp because your not invited to the new party (SMFC)

Are you calling Albert park lake a swamp? Its actually a beautiful part of town and contrary to the agenda driven bullshit you post, all are welcome. Theres nothing even remotely miltant or violent going on. (Unless hal teams come to play)... real family friendly fun. I wish idiots like you would stop with the hate speeches and propaganda..

So they'd be happy to change their colours? They'd be happy to turn their backs on everything that ties them to Greece? They were founded as a club for Greek migrants. 

Look it's sad but the reason something was founded matters. Australia still gets teased for being a Prison colony. Australia day is a bone of contention because of how aboriginals feel about it. 

It's better. Easier. To just start fresh. Tabula Rasa that shit.

Theres nothing even remotely miltant or violent going on. (Unless hal teams come to play)..

great

Cool story bro. 

You know what im talking about drauptho... smfc hand out hazmat suits to their members on matchday for their own safety. 

When others post or bump old articles they have to justify it too, TBH.

This is a decent post and is bang on about the points I have been making. You are correct the A-league is a big business now and the NSL was a basket case. I have been there for both.

I am not for or against ex-NSL teams being in the A-league. People are allowed to form any club they like in Australia and support who they like. Ultimately if clubs are not willing to broaden their fans, have a diverse following and embrace change they will fail in the A-league in a P&R environment and get relegated. I am pro P&R.

@ Langan

I'm not sure what you say is entirely true. They were founded via a merger.

Formation   Edit
South Melbourne was formed in 1959 with the amalgamation of three struggling Melbourne soccer clubs – South Melbourne United, the oldest of the three clubs with a history dating back to the early 1900s – the Greek-backed Yarra Park Aias (Ajax), and Hellenic.[3][4] Theo Marmaras, initiator of the merger proposal and president of Hellenic, became the first president of the new club.[3] In recognition of the large Greek Australian support base of Hellenic and Yarra Park, which were also the best-supported of the three clubs, the new club was named South Melbourne Hellas, the name by which it was to be known for the majority of its 50 years. The first emblem reflected the colour scheme of the Flag of Greece. The first uniform consisted of jersey of white with a red 'V' around the collar, the was[clarification needed] also that of South Melbourne United, as well as blue shorts and blue and white hooped socks. Later on they would adopt predominantly blue and white strips, with various designs throughout the seasons, with the most common being a predominantly royal blue strip.

They still hold the original clubs name. I'm guessing they would consider playing in their South Melbourne traditional kit/colours (Sydney Swans etc) if it meant playing in the league.

Clubs can change colours. My club changed from black and yellow stripes to green and white for example. I'm not sure playing in blue is more important than playing at all. Although I think they should be able to play in whatever color they wish.

They even wore it in the FFA cup

According to paulc Wellingtoin needs to be kicked out because they are mono-ethnic (Kiwi) and dont have broad based support (just look at their membership & crowd numbers).

This is a stralyan league so kick them out!!!

On a purely business level the A-League Franchises are loss makers with the exceptions of MVFC and WSWFC.
Without significant amounts of private capital and underwriting losses from businessmen the A-League wouldn't operate.
Its not a sustainable business model long term. The only growth in financial terms for the franchise owner is capital growth of the Licence.
The capital growth of the licence value is secured by restrictive issuance, not on good business practice based on cashflows and profitability.
Business is always best served by open and accessible markets with equally applicable regulation.
Protective markets hinder investment levels from new sources due to restrictive access.


 

Its like the taxi driver vs uber thing. Now their licences arent worth anything. 

Geezuz this thread came about because paulcroat hadn't had an allergic reaction to ethnics in a while and because FIFA are in town to grumble @ the FFA over its lack of inclusivity to other clubs.

Nothing will come from that and yet he felt the need to bump this old article?

Will we see it again in another 2 years?

-PB

Brilliant post arthur.  

Its exactly like that. 

I would put it more as looking at investment in specific industries, for example the building industry.
Investment in the building industry (homes and Infrastructure) can be regulated according to accreditation and standards but new entrants to the industry are not restricted to enter the market as long as they have appropriate accreditations and meet building standards. Based on the market conditions (demand and supply) investors can make their profits while meeting the demand for housing and infrastructure.
If you restrict entry to the market on 10 building firms then they would be able to control the market set prices etc. (much like the oil/petrol industry when fuel prices go up and down in a coordinated manner) they wont NEED to be competitive.

And that's another business term that has a meaning relevant to football and that's "competitive".

Wellington Phoenix are an interesting conundrum for the FFA, they really don't bring much to the A-League in business terms. And we are talking TV revenues, attendances and sponsorship. In a marketing sense they are a dud.
You would generate more revenues by replacing them with another team from Brisbane, Melbourne or Sydney and that is an accepted fact.

In relation to the topic heading regarding ethnic clubs then a Melbourne Knights or Sydney United will bring more to the business case in the A-League than Wellington Phoenix. With entry to the A-League they would be on a platform to seek and gain significant investment to drive their participation, revenues and profitability.

Lol. There is so much wrong with this post i dont know where to begin. I think arthur has explained to you what good business practices are so i wont attempt to reinvent tge wheel there, suffice to say, when it comes to business you have nfi.

And Why are you talking about the nsl though?  Its irrelevant, albeit a disingenuous way for people to thinly veil their casual racism and bolster a xenophobic agenda. Lets be honest about it.. Smfc are a npl club and former nsl club. Aufc and glory are hal clubs and former nsl clubs. Based on that alone your post is invalid.  

 "Bringing back parts of the nsl" 
As much of an idiotic statement as it is, "Bringing back parts of tge nsl", as you put it,  hasnt killed the hal...youve already been proven wrong on that front. Sounds like unsubstantiated annd unscientific fear mongering. 


"because it proved itself to be a losing model,"

You sound utterly confused and cant differentiate between an administrative model amd a club. You spin off into a hal vs nsl argument. Makes no sense. And the whole lesser of two evil argument is a pathetic attempt at whitewashing tge very real issues that still plague our gam,e let alone acceptance of mediocrity.