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All Bundesliga games take place at the same time during the final two rounds of the campaign.
2 Simultaneous weeks !
That's Germans for ya
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#premierleague9697watch http://www.planetfootball.com/nostalgia/remembering-final-day-96-97-season-coventrys-greatest-escape/Remembering the final day of the 96-97 season and Coventry’s greatest escape
Twenty years ago today, Coventry City won a three-team battle with Middlesbrough and Sunderland to secure Premier League survival on the last day.Avoiding relegation on the final day of the season is one of the strangest experiences in football. Finishing comfortably in mid-table does not provoke wild celebration, mass hysteria, or a pitch invasion, but finishing one place above the three worst teams in the league by the skin of your teeth can spark the sort of party usually reserved for promotions and title wins.Clearly, the thrill of completing a terrible-but-ultimately-not-disastrous campaign is immensely more exciting than the satisfaction of your club achieving a respectable league position with weeks to spare. Just ask a Nottingham Forest or Birmingham City supporter after both sides escaped relegation to League One with wins at the weekend.It’s a feeling that Coventry City fans have been able to experience more than most. During their 34-year spell in the top flight between 1967 and 2001, the Sky Blues beat the drop on the final day of the season on 10 occasions. The last of which took place 20 years ago today.
At the start of May 11, 1997, Coventry sat 19th in the Premier League and were battling with North East duo Sunderland and Middlesbrough to claim the final spot of safety, but the Midlanders’ future was out of their hands, knowing even a win at Tottenham might not be enough if Sunderland were to secure all three points at Wimbledon or Middlesbrough succeed at Leeds.Boro were the neutral’s favourites. With an exotic side including Fabrizio Ravanelli, Juninho and Emerson, Bryan Robson’s outfit were not your typical relegation-battling fodder, resembling instead a lite version of Kevin Keegan’s Newcastle, enthralling in attack but ultimately undermined by their defence.Only a week earlier Boro had travelled to Old Trafford to play out a thrilling 3-3 draw in one of the games of the season and would have been already safe were it not for a three-point deduction they received for postponing a fixture against Blackburn.
To this day that Middlesbrough team, which also suffered the heartbreak of two cup final defeats that season, is seen as being hard done by, but it is a discredit to a Coventry side who held their nerve when it mattered most.The campaign was a baptism of fire as manager for Gordon Strachan, who was not due to replace Ron Atkinson until the end of the season, only for a poor start to the term to see the midfielder promoted to boss earlier than expected.After taking over in November, Strachan inspired the side to four-consecutive wins in December, but a fallow period of one victory from 12 matches between January and the end of March seemed to have consigned Coventry to the drop.But what Coventry lacked in the flair of Juninho – who was named the Premier League Player of the Season – Strachan could count on reliable performers such as Dion Dublin and Gary McAllister to turn things around, while the manager made nine appearances as a player himself. An unbeaten April brought wins over Liverpool and Chelsea, plus draws against Arsenal and Southampton, but the final day was not without its drama.
Despite their late resurgence, Coventry remained 9/1 to stay up, and according to The Independent, Strachan spent the morning of the game with captain and former Leeds team-mate McAllister planning how they would rebuild the club in the second tier.Even the kick-off at White Hart Lane did not go to plan as the match was delayed by 15 minutes due to an accident on the M1.The hold-up echoed an infamous incident from 20 years earlier, when Coventry and Bristol City, both battling relegation with Sunderland, kicked off late and deliberately played out a survival-securing draw after chairman Jimmy Hill announced over the tannoy that the Black Cats had been beaten at Everton.Alex Ferguson, who was never shy to publicly comment on his dislike of Strachan – “I decided this man could not be trusted an inch – I would not want to expose my back to him in a hurry,” he wrote in his autobiography – labelled the fact Coventry were once again allowed to kick off late a “disgrace”.But the scenario remained the same for the Sky Blues: they had to win and pray Sunderland and Middlesbrough didn’t.When the game eventually got underway in North London, Coventry’s relegation rivals were still drawing, and they took advantage quickly with remarkable ease.Fittingly, McAllister was at the heartbeat of the performance. Alongside Strachan, the cultured playmaker formed half of the best midfield in the country during Leeds’ title-winning season of 1992, and had been convinced to join Coventry by his former team-mate.
It was the Scotland international’s cross which was headed in by Dublin after only 13 minutes, and he turned provider once more to set up Paul Williams’ excellent volley with 39 minutes on the clock. Tottenham did reply through Paul McVeigh just before half-time, but the pressure was now firmly on Sunderland and Middlesbrough.Boro eventually fell behind to a Brian Deane goal at Elland Road, but equalised almost instantly through Juninho and had 10 minutes to find a winner. Sunderland, meanwhile, were at 0-0 needing only one goal until the 85th minute when Jason Euell struck for Wimbledon to seal their fate.In the second half at White Hart Lane, Coventry continued to play with impressive calm and composure. At least until the news filtered through that Boro couldn’t find a winner at Leeds and that, as things stood, Coventry were staying up.At that point they started to drop deeper, Tottenham started to create chances, Steve Ogrizovic had to make more saves and Strachan became increasingly fervent in the dugout.“I remember a young Stephen Carr at Tottenham going on an amazing run and almost ruining it,” McAllister told FourFourTwo last year. “We all ran over to Stephen and said: ‘Pack it in! Your mind should be on a beach in Spain!’”The final whistle eventually ended the torture, provoking wild celebration, mass hysteria and tears both on the pitch and in the away end. Speaking after the Houdini act had been completed, Strachan said: “They said ‘we have won nothing’ but they have won something. They have won their pride back. They can look people in the eye again.”He added: “I have played with world-class players and the players today showed as much heart as any of the top players I have played with. And some of the football they played was superb. That was brave too, a different type of bravery to putting your head in where it hurts.”Dancing with the devil eventually caught up with the club, and they could not repeat their trick for an 11th time in 2001, when they finally dropped out of the top flight.In 2007-08 they managed to avoid relegation to League One on the final day by default rather than defiance, losing 4-1 at Charlton but staying up thanks to Leicester’s inability to score at Stoke.Since then they have continued to slide down the divisions under the disastrous ownership of Sisu, and will start next season in the fourth tier of English football for the first time since 1959.Coventry face a long road back to the Premier League, and they might need to take inspiration from the spirit shown by Strachan and co 20 years ago.
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That has to be one of the most high traffic hashtags in a long time IMO.
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 Hamburglars play Wolfsburg in the do or die match , which of course, Hamburglars will win When that happens. Mainz are 99.9% safe but Augsburg could drop if they lose by 3 or more
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+xHamburglars play Wolfsburg in the do or die match , which of course, Hamburglars will win When that happens. Mainz are 99.9% safe but Augsburg could drop if they lose by 3 or more Unreal! Couldn't have written that script
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#bundeswatch Sorry I've been useless the last couple of weeks. Sokorny's FC Leckie are relegated :'( This weekend throws up what has to be the most important & tense matchup in Practice Relegation Battle Thread history! TYST/milan's Hamburglars host bigpoppa's Wolfsburg, the loser of which will almost certainly be relegated! Kickoff, according to google, is 11:30pm Novocastria Standard Time (NST) this upcoming Saturday. How to watch? I have no idea :lol: Here is the scenarios possible: - bigpoppa's Wolfsburg win by any score = TYST/milan are into the relegation playoff! - it is a draw = TYST/milan are into the relegation playoff! - TYST/milan's Hamburglars win = bigpoppa's Wolfsburg are most likely into the relegation playoff, depending on results and scores at Koln vs Mainz & Hoffenheim vs Augsburg. From what I can work out, which ever team finishes third last after this weekend will have to play against Eintracht Braunschweig, whom finished 3rd in Bundesliga 2. Interestingly, Eintracht Braunschweig just came off a 6-0 away defeat to Armenia Bielefeld (Besart Berisha's former team). The loser of that playoff game will be in Bundesliga 2 next year, from what I can tell. Current Ladder: 
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Stop Hiding Bigpoppa  Come out and Fight me
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I highly implore TYST & bigpoppa to put some form of wager on this game.
Was super, super stoked with the outcome of the last wager this thread saw.
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Hahahaha Just looked at last weekends game Hamburger equalised in the 92nd minute, then Schalke had a goal disallowed AFTER that (for interference that Timmy would've got away with) http://www.bundesliga.com/en/news/Bundesliga/schalke-hamburg-line-ups-and-statistics-443726.jspHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Bigpoppas definitely rooted got any wager ideas ? Get pv4 to ban the loser for a week ?
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yeah a ban sounds good. I can't think of anything as entertaining as the last one.
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A ban ain't happening.
Think of something more interactive.
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+xA ban ain't happening. Think of something more interactive. Hmmmmmmmm Would having to post an apology for supporting a shit German team in a hundred threads get a ban ? 
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Holsten brewery is just down the road from the big game I'll shout a case of the Pilsner  or there's a 0% version for some unknown reason
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Yeah I'm up for a carton.
Although according to a Google search their is only one place to get the alcoholic Holsten in Australia.
If that is the case, how about we just make it a more accessible German beer?
I'll let you decide because I'll drink anything with alcohol content.
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+xYeah I'm up for a carton. Although according to a Google search their is only one place to get the alcoholic Holsten in Australia. If that is the case, how about we just make it a more accessible German beer? I'll let you decide because I'll drink anything with alcohol content. Yoinks, Carton of something German it is
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I should clarify I'll drink any beer
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+xI should clarify I'll drink any beer Reinheitsgebot is the German Beer Purity Law
Stipulates that only water, malted barley, hops and yeast be used for any bottom-fermented beer
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Well done Timmy. 88th min winners. I'll be in contact in the morning to honour our deal.
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+xWell done Timmy. 88th min winners. I'll be in contact in the morning to honour our deal. Doh ! I had it in my head the game was Sunday night, totally missed it......................
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Here's the highlights 54th straight Season in the Top Flight preserved !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! http://ourmatch.net/videos/20-05-2017-hamburger-sv-vs-wolfsburg/Talk about leaving it late  Wolfsburg in the playoff for relegation
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Avoiding Relegation Party !!! 
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+x+x+x+x+xI like this.
I am going to go Bundesliga, and will pick Mesut Ozil's former club Werder Bremen.
How many go down ? IIRC bottom 2 auto go down and 3rd last plays 3rd best from lower league and winner of that game (1 or 2 legs, not sure?) gets into Bundesliga Allright , I'll take the Hamburglars. Your job to do the Commentary ? You're on! Let's sweeten the deal - if one of our teams gets relegated, the loser buys the winner a beer at the next AL/Socceroos game we both go to. If both teams avoid or get relegated, null and void. Quick skim of the fixtures and both our teams have already played Bayern Munich twice, so run home avoids the giant. But Hamburg have Dortmund, and Werder have RB Leipzig, so we both have 2 of the bigger teams to go. Plus, April 15 is OUR DERBY! Fire up farken! Both stayed up ! I guess we'll might have to go again next season.
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Amazing. What an amazing thing to have in your league.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xI like this.
I am going to go Bundesliga, and will pick Mesut Ozil's former club Werder Bremen.
How many go down ? IIRC bottom 2 auto go down and 3rd last plays 3rd best from lower league and winner of that game (1 or 2 legs, not sure?) gets into Bundesliga Allright , I'll take the Hamburglars. Your job to do the Commentary ? You're on! Let's sweeten the deal - if one of our teams gets relegated, the loser buys the winner a beer at the next AL/Socceroos game we both go to. If both teams avoid or get relegated, null and void. Quick skim of the fixtures and both our teams have already played Bayern Munich twice, so run home avoids the giant. But Hamburg have Dortmund, and Werder have RB Leipzig, so we both have 2 of the bigger teams to go. Plus, April 15 is OUR DERBY! Fire up farken! Both stayed up ! I guess we'll might have to go again next season. That was certainly a ride. Thanks to all for being involved in this thread.
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Yep very enjoyable thread.
Cheers for running it pv4 and timmy.
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+xYep very enjoyable thread. Cheers for running it pv4 and timmy. You've still got the playoff to go........................
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Mario Gomez has told his Wolfsburg team-mates they cannot let the club slip into Bundesliga 2 as they prepare for their relegation/promotion play-off with neighbours Eintract Braunschweig. Some 30 kilometres separate the pair, who will meet in Wolfsburg on Thursday and at the Eintracht Stadion next Monday, but Gomez and his team-mates were on Monday headed further afield to the Dutch town of De Lutte on the Dutch-German border to fine-tune their preparations for the tie. Wolfsburg looked to have secured their top-flight status only for Luca Waldschmidt to produce a late goal for hosts Hamburg on Saturday, and condemn Andries Jonkers' side to a fate which Gomez says they only have themselves to blame for. Read: Hamburg condemn Wolfsburg to play-off. "When we took things in hand more in the second half, we should have scored three or four goals. As a team we didn't do that," said the Germany international, who had seen team-mate Robin Knoche put their side ahead before HSV replied to secure a 2-1 win. "Now we have got what we deserved, and must go into the play-off."
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