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+xProactivity and investment in the community, that looks very impressive, with Council approvals. Now, lets look at the backward council at the Central Coast that did nothing for the Mariners in comparison. No not interested, the only professional club in the area. It helps when you have a couple of billionaires tipping some coins into the fundraising kitty. That said, it's great that Hakoah are turning the old tennis site into football fields. The same should happen with every single golf course inside a metropolitan area.
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+xI do wish them luck in getting a NSD off the ground, but hold limited confidence at this stage to be able to get things going soon with many clubs and potential sponsors likely struggling to stay afloat over the next couple of years. We need a NSD though so let’s hope I am wrong and that the appetite to take part and support it is strong enough to overcome those obstacles. There was another article came out today, saying straight out that an NSD is miles away. A tweet reckons one club president says its 10 years away. That's just the NSD! There is just so, so much stacked against us getting a proper football structure in this country, and if we're all honest with each other, neither the Chair or the new CEO ever give us a crumb about an NSD, never mind P&R. They ain't even trying to pretend.
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+x+xI do wish them luck in getting a NSD off the ground, but hold limited confidence at this stage to be able to get things going soon with many clubs and potential sponsors likely struggling to stay afloat over the next couple of years. We need a NSD though so let’s hope I am wrong and that the appetite to take part and support it is strong enough to overcome those obstacles. There was another article came out today, saying straight out that an NSD is miles away.
A tweet reckons one club president says its 10 years away.That's just the NSD! There is just so, so much stacked against us getting a proper football structure in this country, and if we're all honest with each other, neither the Chair or the new CEO ever give us a crumb about an NSD, never mind P&R. They ain't even trying to pretend. That is an unnamed A League owner in this blog https://www.ftbl.com.au/analysis/blog-controversial-ideas-to-change-footballs-financial-model-551781
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+x+x+xI do wish them luck in getting a NSD off the ground, but hold limited confidence at this stage to be able to get things going soon with many clubs and potential sponsors likely struggling to stay afloat over the next couple of years. We need a NSD though so let’s hope I am wrong and that the appetite to take part and support it is strong enough to overcome those obstacles. There was another article came out today, saying straight out that an NSD is miles away.
A tweet reckons one club president says its 10 years away.That's just the NSD! There is just so, so much stacked against us getting a proper football structure in this country, and if we're all honest with each other, neither the Chair or the new CEO ever give us a crumb about an NSD, never mind P&R. They ain't even trying to pretend. That is an unnamed A League owner in this blog https://www.ftbl.com.au/analysis/blog-controversial-ideas-to-change-footballs-financial-model-551781 Having read other articles from that person I’m skeptical whether they have connections at all
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+x+x+x+xI do wish them luck in getting a NSD off the ground, but hold limited confidence at this stage to be able to get things going soon with many clubs and potential sponsors likely struggling to stay afloat over the next couple of years. We need a NSD though so let’s hope I am wrong and that the appetite to take part and support it is strong enough to overcome those obstacles. There was another article came out today, saying straight out that an NSD is miles away.
A tweet reckons one club president says its 10 years away.That's just the NSD! There is just so, so much stacked against us getting a proper football structure in this country, and if we're all honest with each other, neither the Chair or the new CEO ever give us a crumb about an NSD, never mind P&R. They ain't even trying to pretend. That is an unnamed A League owner in this blog https://www.ftbl.com.au/analysis/blog-controversial-ideas-to-change-footballs-financial-model-551781 Having read other articles from that person I’m skeptical whether they have connections at all Yeah don't take a single word this loser says seriously. He is both a AFL hack and no better than any other glorified suburban blogger on the Roar. He would have fuck all connections to anyone and has been told to fuck off multiple times.
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+x+x+xI do wish them luck in getting a NSD off the ground, but hold limited confidence at this stage to be able to get things going soon with many clubs and potential sponsors likely struggling to stay afloat over the next couple of years. We need a NSD though so let’s hope I am wrong and that the appetite to take part and support it is strong enough to overcome those obstacles. There was another article came out today, saying straight out that an NSD is miles away.
A tweet reckons one club president says its 10 years away.That's just the NSD! There is just so, so much stacked against us getting a proper football structure in this country, and if we're all honest with each other, neither the Chair or the new CEO ever give us a crumb about an NSD, never mind P&R. They ain't even trying to pretend. That is an unnamed A League owner in this blog https://www.ftbl.com.au/analysis/blog-controversial-ideas-to-change-footballs-financial-model-551781 This was my favorite line: Another left field idea is why not let other sports invest in our league. Football fans would be mortified at the thought of the AFL or NRL taking some sort of stake in our game.
And how about this doosy: A solution to this could be football agreeing to shift its junior seasons a month or two. There is no reason why football can’t start at the end of May and end in early November before it gets too hot. This allows the AFL to allow its juniors to go from early March to August. I am sure NPL and below would agree to that
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+x+x+x+xI do wish them luck in getting a NSD off the ground, but hold limited confidence at this stage to be able to get things going soon with many clubs and potential sponsors likely struggling to stay afloat over the next couple of years. We need a NSD though so let’s hope I am wrong and that the appetite to take part and support it is strong enough to overcome those obstacles. There was another article came out today, saying straight out that an NSD is miles away.
A tweet reckons one club president says its 10 years away.That's just the NSD! There is just so, so much stacked against us getting a proper football structure in this country, and if we're all honest with each other, neither the Chair or the new CEO ever give us a crumb about an NSD, never mind P&R. They ain't even trying to pretend. That is an unnamed A League owner in this blog https://www.ftbl.com.au/analysis/blog-controversial-ideas-to-change-footballs-financial-model-551781 This was my favorite line: Another left field idea is why not let other sports invest in our league. Football fans would be mortified at the thought of the AFL or NRL taking some sort of stake in our game.
And how about this doosy: A solution to this could be football agreeing to shift its junior seasons a month or two. There is no reason why football can’t start at the end of May and end in early November before it gets too hot. This allows the AFL to allow its juniors to go from early March to August. I am sure NPL and below would agree to that The words, they can go fuck themselves come to mind.
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That article is full of bizarre suggestions, but when he says those in authority believe it's all too hard, I believe that, as I said, the Chair and CEO have never talked enthusiastically about an NSD and P&R.
Also, both are very closely aligned with the A-League clubs, if they don't want something, then it ain't going to happen.
A lot of what the article says about supporting the existing clubs and making sure they thrive is exactly what Nikou was saying when he took over as Chair.
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+xThat article is full of bizarre suggestions, but when he says those in authority believe it's all too hard, I believe that, as I said, the Chair and CEO have never talked enthusiastically about an NSD and P&R. Also, both are very closely aligned with the A-League clubs, if they don't want something, then it ain't going to happen. A lot of what the article says about supporting the existing clubs and making sure they thrive is exactly what Nikou was saying when he took over as Chair. While Remo Nogarotto is involved with the AAFC and on the FFA board I live in hope especially about a NSD. He knows what it takes to run a club in a national competition. He knows how to run competitions. The P & R might not follow immediately but it will need to follow. I would suggest that P & R back to the NPLs will happen first - but it must also happen between the A-League and a NSD.
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+x+xI do wish them luck in getting a NSD off the ground, but hold limited confidence at this stage to be able to get things going soon with many clubs and potential sponsors likely struggling to stay afloat over the next couple of years. We need a NSD though so let’s hope I am wrong and that the appetite to take part and support it is strong enough to overcome those obstacles. There was another article came out today, saying straight out that an NSD is miles away. A tweet reckons one club president says its 10 years away. That's just the NSD! There is just so, so much stacked against us getting a proper football structure in this country, and if we're all honest with each other, neither the Chair or the new CEO ever give us a crumb about an NSD, never mind P&R. They ain't even trying to pretend. That's the new impotent FFA for you. So many eggs on face to so many on here lol.
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+x+x+x+x+xI do wish them luck in getting a NSD off the ground, but hold limited confidence at this stage to be able to get things going soon with many clubs and potential sponsors likely struggling to stay afloat over the next couple of years. We need a NSD though so let’s hope I am wrong and that the appetite to take part and support it is strong enough to overcome those obstacles. There was another article came out today, saying straight out that an NSD is miles away.
A tweet reckons one club president says its 10 years away.That's just the NSD! There is just so, so much stacked against us getting a proper football structure in this country, and if we're all honest with each other, neither the Chair or the new CEO ever give us a crumb about an NSD, never mind P&R. They ain't even trying to pretend. That is an unnamed A League owner in this blog https://www.ftbl.com.au/analysis/blog-controversial-ideas-to-change-footballs-financial-model-551781 This was my favorite line: Another left field idea is why not let other sports invest in our league. Football fans would be mortified at the thought of the AFL or NRL taking some sort of stake in our game.
And how about this doosy: A solution to this could be football agreeing to shift its junior seasons a month or two. There is no reason why football can’t start at the end of May and end in early November before it gets too hot. This allows the AFL to allow its juniors to go from early March to August. I am sure NPL and below would agree to that The words, they can go fuck themselves come to mind. Agree. Can it get more plastic than that?
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+x+xThat article is full of bizarre suggestions, but when he says those in authority believe it's all too hard, I believe that, as I said, the Chair and CEO have never talked enthusiastically about an NSD and P&R. Also, both are very closely aligned with the A-League clubs, if they don't want something, then it ain't going to happen. A lot of what the article says about supporting the existing clubs and making sure they thrive is exactly what Nikou was saying when he took over as Chair. While Remo Nogarotto is involved with the AAFC and on the FFA board I live in hope especially about a NSD. He now what it takes to run a club in a national competition. He knows how to run competitions. The P & R might not follow immediately but it will need to follow. I would suggest that P & R back to the NPLs will happen first - but it must also happen between the A-League and a NSD. I hope your right, I go back re Remo during the Northern Spirit days, he sure rocked the boat there and has had a checkered career. One time Labour candidate then switched over to Libs, his links in high places ala Greiner I expect influenced this he also being a football supporter. He had to resign under pressure due to the '00 loss. I think he likes titles and high position weather he does any good in the end for the cause is the big Q. I prefer to be optimistic but........
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Victory shareholder backs second division, even if his club is relegated
By Michael Lynch
August 19, 2020 — 2.50pm
A Melbourne Victory director and sponsor strongly believes that the A-League should introduce promotion and relegation, even though it would have meant his club was demoted this year after their worst campaign in the history of the competition.
That would mean the nation's best-supported club faced at least a season out of the top flight. But Jason Mirabella says: so what?
"We need it because it is a point of difference to our game and to other sports. We need competition in the A-League. We need our grassroots to eventually play into a B-League and then play towards winning a spot in the A-League," he said.
"I don't care if it is Victory, Sydney FC or Melbourne City. It is about merit."
Mirabella is unusual in that he is a rare investor, shareholder or sponsor of an A-League club who is happy to publicly declare his support for an integrated, open system for the Australian game.
There are plenty of advocates for promotion and relegation but few who have skin in the game in the shape of their own money share Mirabella's view, at least publicly.
But he believes a national second division is right for the sport and will benefit all clubs in the long run, as well as the national team.
It will create more opportunities for younger players to progress through the system as well as jobs for coaches, ancillary staff and executives, seeding the soccer infrastructure so that it has significantly more depth.
He also argues that a suite of other changes, including the scrapping of the salary cap and the introduction of an open system of promotion and relegation can help rekindle interest in the competition and spark fresh investment from owners and broadcasters alike.
"I honestly think that the salary cap should also disappear and that we should have different types of contract.
"You should have a professional contract for the A-League with a minimum salary of $60,000 plus super and you have to sign a minimum of 23 players. But apart from that minimum salary, clubs should be allowed to spend what they want.
"The clubs that could afford to spend it would spend it. Let's have the A-League champions fighting for the Asian championship if they can afford to buy and pay better players.
"If Melbourne City, Victory or Sydney want to spend $10 million, or $5 million towards winning the ACL they should not be stopped."
He argues that A 14-team A League and a 16-team B-League would be the way to start, with the second tier also able to pay players what they want. But, he argues there should be a floor – a minimum semi-professional contract of $25,000 plus super.
"Below that you would have the NPL, which could have whatever contract they wanted – professional, amateur or semi-professional – depending on how financial they are," he said.
"I have discussed this with a lot of football people.
"When you get journalists, commentators and fans of the game, ex-players who have played for the country and they are all in favour of the second division then you can see there is a groundswell of support going.
"My family is a football family. But when they are saying the A-League has become boring you have to do something."
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/soccer/victory-shareholder-backs-second-division-even-if-his-club-is-relegated-20200819-p55n6q.html
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Good on him, but as Lynch says, he is the exception rather than the rule.
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Melbourne wouldnt have finished where they are in an open competition
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+xMelbourne wouldnt have finished where they are in an open competition Also, I doubt we would move immediately to two being relegated automatically, I would anticipate at least one position being subject to a play off.
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+xMelbourne wouldnt have finished where they are in an open competition Why?
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+xMelbourne wouldnt have finished where they are in an open competition The Mariners would be below the division that the Central Coast Lightning play in. :w00t::hehe:
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+x+xMelbourne wouldnt have finished where they are in an open competition Why? In reality, he's meaning what TOP club in recent years or further and more have gone from being a top 4 club and better for years to ie finished 4th 2017/18 3rd 18/19 to cellar dwellers ? not even Arsenal managed that this past season. Thats what its about, the horror of being relegated. None of these AL clubs have anything to fear in the big picture of a spirited comp with re percussions to pay. Onya Mirabella !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We need more and more of you.
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+x+xMelbourne wouldnt have finished where they are in an open competition Why? Suggest first point would be without a cap, they would probably be one of the bigger spenders on players and if they were looking like being trouble, they would become one of the bigger spenders during mid season transfers.
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+x+x+xMelbourne wouldnt have finished where they are in an open competition Why? In reality, he's meaning what TOP club in recent years or further and more have gone from being a top 4 club and better for years to ie finished 4th 2017/18 3rd 18/19 to cellar dwellers ? not even Arsenal managed that this past season. Thats what its about, the horror of being relegated. None of these AL clubs have anything to fear in the big picture of a spirited comp with re percussions to pay. Onya Mirabella !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We need more and more of you. Arsenal have gone from top to mid table which is about 10 places right?
Victory suffered from poor recruiting and more money wont fix that.
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+x+x+xMelbourne wouldnt have finished where they are in an open competition Why? Suggest first point would be without a cap, they would probably be one of the bigger spenders on players and if they were looking like being trouble, they would become one of the bigger spenders during mid season transfers. Victory though are managed to a profit, or break even - a point their fans are often pointing out.
There’s no evidence that they would spend anymore if there’s no cap unlike City and SFC who are backed by wealthy benefactors who don’t seem to mind losing another million.
Victory are one of the major beneficiaries of the cap - for the same money you can play in front of big crowds in Melbourne or you can sign with another club ... easy choice.
Once SFC and City open their wallets victory are likely to be worse off.
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+x+x+x+xMelbourne wouldnt have finished where they are in an open competition Why? In reality, he's meaning what TOP club in recent years or further and more have gone from being a top 4 club and better for years to ie finished 4th 2017/18 3rd 18/19 to cellar dwellers ? not even Arsenal managed that this past season. Thats what its about, the horror of being relegated. None of these AL clubs have anything to fear in the big picture of a spirited comp with re percussions to pay. Onya Mirabella !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We need more and more of you. Arsenal have gone from top to mid table which is about 10 places right?
Victory suffered from poor recruiting and more money wont fix that. It's all hypothetical but being able to dump spuds like Poulsen or Basha without cap consequences and instead buying a new midfield would certainly be worth a few places. Not to mention not having to compromise on the usual salary cap signings would certainly help.
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+x+x+x+xMelbourne wouldnt have finished where they are in an open competition Why? In reality, he's meaning what TOP club in recent years or further and more have gone from being a top 4 club and better for years to ie finished 4th 2017/18 3rd 18/19 to cellar dwellers ? not even Arsenal managed that this past season. Thats what its about, the horror of being relegated. None of these AL clubs have anything to fear in the big picture of a spirited comp with re percussions to pay. Onya Mirabella !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We need more and more of you. Arsenal have gone from top to mid table which is about 10 places right?
Victory suffered from poor recruiting and more money wont fix that. won't say top, they have been floudering outside the 4 for some years now finishing 8th (of 20 and considered woeful and out of Euro spot but for winning FACup saved their arse) this one after a recovery. They have suffered from poor recruiting for years, thats the point. Buying smarter is right, Arteta seems as such and will build for like all of them there is toooo much to lose falling deeper. In the AL there isn't, come last or 10/9 no matter. IF there was relegation I doubt MV would have ended up 2nd last.
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+xGood on him, but as Lynch says, he is the exception rather than the rule. Agree.
He mentions 14 teams in the A-league and 16 teams in a second tier. The Idea is bold but the appetite to spend that much money across the board on football anytime soon is unlikely to occur.
We will be lucky to have 12 clubs over the next couple of years at this rate, and many NPL clubs may also struggle to stay afloat if things go on for longer.
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+x+x+x+xMelbourne wouldnt have finished where they are in an open competition Why? In reality, he's meaning what TOP club in recent years or further and more have gone from being a top 4 club and better for years to ie finished 4th 2017/18 3rd 18/19 to cellar dwellers ? not even Arsenal managed that this past season. Thats what its about, the horror of being relegated. None of these AL clubs have anything to fear in the big picture of a spirited comp with re percussions to pay. Onya Mirabella !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We need more and more of you. Arsenal have gone from top to mid table which is about 10 places right?
Victory suffered from poor recruiting and more money wont fix that. Money might not win titles, but it does stop you finishing last The only way MV will finish last is if they stop investing and they'll become a financially troubled club that nobody wants before they are relegated Besides, teams that know how to make money usually know how to spend it. Its only in a balanced league where money is distributed to those who havent learnt how to earn it that we see all dollars and no sense
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Without a cap they would’ve spent enough to retain Kosta and maybe even entice a star like Antonis to stay on our shores
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+x+xI do wish them luck in getting a NSD off the ground, but hold limited confidence at this stage to be able to get things going soon with many clubs and potential sponsors likely struggling to stay afloat over the next couple of years. We need a NSD though so let’s hope I am wrong and that the appetite to take part and support it is strong enough to overcome those obstacles. There was another article came out today, saying straight out that an NSD is miles away. A tweet reckons one club president says its 10 years away. That's just the NSD! There is just so, so much stacked against us getting a proper football structure in this country, and if we're all honest with each other, neither the Chair or the new CEO ever give us a crumb about an NSD, never mind P&R. They ain't even trying to pretend. These TWO CREEPS have overstayed their welcome and it's way past time that they left.....................AND hopefully the clubs bring out their baseball bats and give them the sending off that they really deserve!
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in the podcast posted in xi principles thread
Spider answers yes SU58 will apply and believes SO, WW and Marconi will too. Hill counters and believes more than 20 clubs will apply and a lot more from NSW. Around 28-29 mins in
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